Anti-Immigrant Groups Short On Popular Support, But Long on Cash From Wealthy Racists

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Since you asked, although not pointed out specifically; baiting members across the board is not acceptable. You may not see it that way, but we are getting reports. Suggest you stop.

Regards,

VJ Moderation.

How is responding to BY's posts baiting? I am totally confused here. He can spew US negatives all day long and when I respond I'm baiting? And what he posts isn't considered baiting? His responses to my topics aren't baiting but my responses to him are against TOS? You've got to be kidding me.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

How is that ignorant racists get so much money to give away?

[JohnSmith2007 353]

I am beginning to believe that steve supports illegal immigration for personal reasons.

Yep, it is becoming very clear he has a personal reason to want open borders. There is no other logical reason why an American would support anyone and everyone to just walk across the border without restrictions or oversight. Talk about putting your personal feelings before the good of the country.

Edited September 26, 2010 by JohnSmith2007

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Yep, it is becoming very clear he has a personal reason to want open borders. There is no other logical reason why an American would support anyone and everyone to just walk across the border without restrictions or oversight. Talk about putting your personal feelings before the good of the country.

Steven would like them to come and be made citizens before November 2.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

There has been one warning already about 'baiting' posts. This is a second warning. Do not make posts that are so deliberately provocative that you know - and expect - a negative or a return attack in response. Baiting is considered a type of 'trolling' and is a violation of TOS.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

There has been one warning already about 'baiting' posts. This is a second warning. Do not make posts that are so deliberately provocative that you know - and expect - a negative or a return attack in response. Baiting is considered a type of 'trolling' and is a violation of TOS.

This topic IS a bait post. Responding to it is not trolling. Steven is deliberately distorting people opposed to illegal immigration and those that oppose all immigration. That is baiting and trolling.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Actually, the topic is being interpreted as a bait post by you but in and of itself it is not a bait post. It is a news story that states an organization stating it has lots of supporters financing it actually has few supporters with big pockets financing it. The 'attribution' of attitudes about the content of the article to individuals has not been made by Steven but by others who are making suppositions totally unrelated to the article in question. The article - and the included links - clearly state 'immigration' - not 'illegal-immigration'. The groups involved are not anti-illegal immigration only - they target both legal and illegal immigrants. The members here have turned it around to assume the group does not mean legal immigrant, only illegal immigrants and are using that to attack the OP. That is not what is presented in the article nor the links. Therefore, the comments being made are baiting and they are trolling as they are distorting the information presented in the article to be used as an attack on the OP.

Edited September 26, 2010 by Kathryn41

[evli1966 88]

Actually, the topic is being interpreted as a bait post by you but in and of itself it is not a bait post. It is a news story that states an organization stating it has lots of supporters financing it actually has few supporters with big pockets financing it. The 'attribution' of attitudes about the content of the article to individuals has not been made by Steven but by others who are making suppositions totally unrelated to the article in question. The article - and the included links - clearly state 'immigration' - not 'illegal-immigration'. The groups involved are not anti-illegal immigration only - they target both legal and illegal immigrants. The members here have turned it around to assume the group does not mean legal immigrant, only illegal immigrants and are using that to attack the OP. That is not what is presented in the article nor the links. Therefore, the comments being made are baiting and they are trolling as they are distorting the information presented in the article to be used as an attack on the OP.

With this being said above

The author of the article seems to be clearly trying to distort the point of view of the populace by utilizing the now mantra of open Border advocates which calls anyone who is anti Illegal immigration a person that is anti immigration.

The reason they have little support is because very few people are against legal immigration;even wealthy people can have poor judgment or lean to far to one area.

The people who stand against Open border laws that promote illegal immigration are no the same which should have been made clear in the article.

IMO.

I would appreciate feeback form a mod whether this was a more appropriate response to the posted article. PM is ok or public thanks

[DEDixon 39]

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Edited September 26, 2010 by DEDixon

[DEDixon 39]

And what have I done to violate the terms of service? You're the one calling me names. I have been calling you out quite diplomatically.

you are constantly baiting and thus detailing threads and it is getting old. is your last name mccoy or hatfield, because when it come to BY, you sure to act like those inbreed MFers. grow up.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

With this being said above

The author of the article seems to be clearly trying to distort the point of view of the populace by utilizing the now mantra of open Border advocates which calls anyone who is anti Illegal immigration a person that is anti immigration.

The reason they have little support is because very few people are against legal immigration;even wealthy people can have poor judgment or lean to far to one area.

The people who stand against Open border laws that promote illegal immigration are no the same which should have been made clear in the article.

IMO.

I would appreciate feeback form a mod whether this was a more appropriate response to the posted article. PM is ok or public thanks

Nicely written and worded, thank you.

The only problem I have is that there is nothing in the original article that discusses open Border advocacy so that is the topic that has been introduced by others into the discussion, attributing that as the intent of the OP when there was nothing in the article to suggest it.

[Danno 1,228]

The only problem I have is that there is nothing in the original article that discusses open Border advocacy so that is the topic that has been introduced by others into the discussion, attributing that as the intent of the OP when there was nothing in the article to suggest it.

The only problem I have is, most people who are all for this "open borders" work so hard to escape the effects of it.

Prime example: When I ran the poster of this pieces neighborhood a few months ago we found that though he lived in California which has a the Highest level of Illegals and hispanics as a whole.... his Zip code had only a fraction of hispanics living in his area and one would presume of those, only a fraction would be illegal.

I notice he now has Flagstaff AZ on his avatar.

I would never call him or anyone else Racist because they choose to locate them and their families in places with White Majorities... but it seems odd they suggest others are.

[DEDixon 39]

The only problem I have is, most people who are all for this "open borders" work so hard to escape the effects of it.

Prime example: When I ran the poster of this pieces neighborhood a few months ago we found that though he lived in California which has a the Highest level of Illegals and hispanics as a whole.... his Zip code had only a fraction of hispanics living in his area and one would presume of those, only a fraction would be illegal.

I notice he now has Flagstaff AZ on his avatar.

I would never call him or anyone else Racist because they choose to locate them and their families in places with White Majorities... but it seems odd they suggest others are.

reminds me of when the president of the NAACP in Baltimore lived in an all white upscale neighborhood outside of Baltimore. (NAACP's headquarters are in Baltimore).

i thought he should be living if not in the projects, at least near them so he could be a real-life, in your face, role model.

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and above when i said "you are constantly baiting and thus detailing threads" ... i meant derailing.

Edited September 26, 2010 by DEDixon

[evli1966 88]

Nicely written and worded, thank you.

The only problem I have is that there is nothing in the original article that discusses open Border advocacy so that is the topic that has been introduced by others into the discussion, attributing that as the intent of the OP when there was nothing in the article to suggest it.

Thank you.

I also agree the article does not mention Open border advocacy but the article is about groups who oppose immigration all together which would infer closed borders.

I was showing the likely hood of the author making use of the anti-immigration lable which is used by open border advocates to lable people who are anti-illegal immigration as the same as these people referred to in the article.

It is understood and supported by the OP willingness to openly defend open border laws, illegal immigrants and amnesty for the same in previous topics. always referencing liberal media, professors, other OB advocates and even stating constittuionality of such support. This si not to bait or enflame his opion that he has a right to have.

This would correlate to the intent of the OP posting the article as such as decribed above.

I also defer to you my original post in this topic as inappropriate and will change the post (if I am able to do so.)

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Nice use of the straw man argument, Danno.