50% of Christian College students no longer "born again Christians" after graduation

[ceriserose 1]

What can I say, I'm a spaz for Belushi movies.

it is a great film..one of my favorites...i can identify with a character or two there,.,,

Now why do I have NO trouble believing that?

[Mirorgate 0]

yo si estoy trabajando. mucho trabajo ultimamente. mi esposa se queda en casa.

gracias.

que tal con ustedes?

Daniel

:energetic:

meh.... the wife is working... I am looking after "seperation" from last position she wanted to stay in medical field.. and shortest way was to get her into CNA course which she completed with ease (being MD in EC) and she is with a placement co here. next month starting in on Net Admin classes with Securities push.. maybe if I get the CISSP ... i can almost make about half as much as the wife after she completes the USMLE reqs but since she wants to ulitmately go into neonatal reconstructive surgery... i doubt i'll get half. but is ok... i', not chauvenistic in the dinero dept.. if she can make more.. she can spend more (there's this porche i been lookin at )

when does/will your wife be workin? or she would prefer to be family mom soon? (my wife i know wants a little clonelette soon)

[chri'stina 190]

yo si estoy trabajando. mucho trabajo ultimamente. mi esposa se queda en casa.

gracias.

que tal con ustedes?

Daniel

:energetic:

meh.... the wife is working... I am looking after "seperation" from last position she wanted to stay in medical field.. and shortest way was to get her into CNA course which she completed with ease (being MD in EC) and she is with a placement co here. next month starting in on Net Admin classes with Securities push.. maybe if I get the CISSP ... i can almost make about half as much as the wife after she completes the USMLE reqs but since she wants to ulitmately go into neonatal reconstructive surgery... i doubt i'll get half. but is ok... i', not chauvenistic in the dinero dept.. if she can make more.. she can spend more (there's this porche i been lookin at )

when does/will your wife be workin? or she would prefer to be family mom soon? (my wife i know wants a little clonelette soon)

clonelette?

[Mirorgate 0]

clonelette?

yep.. she wants a daughter... thats the upside

downside.. half the genes will be donated by me.

thats gonna be one twisted young girl

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

yo si estoy trabajando. mucho trabajo ultimamente. mi esposa se queda en casa.

gracias.

que tal con ustedes?

Daniel

:energetic:

meh.... the wife is working... I am looking after "seperation" from last position she wanted to stay in medical field.. and shortest way was to get her into CNA course which she completed with ease (being MD in EC) and she is with a placement co here. next month starting in on Net Admin classes with Securities push.. maybe if I get the CISSP ... i can almost make about half as much as the wife after she completes the USMLE reqs but since she wants to ulitmately go into neonatal reconstructive surgery... i doubt i'll get half. but is ok... i', not chauvenistic in the dinero dept.. if she can make more.. she can spend more (there's this porche i been lookin at )

when does/will your wife be workin? or she would prefer to be family mom soon? (my wife i know wants a little clonelette soon)

excellent!

me and the little woman do want be ummm how do you say... of family way? so, yeah, that kind complicates the career path. she was an adminastrator at a univ in mexico. she loves the atmosphere and would love doing similar work here. we haven't got a 'master' plan so to speak. que sera sera.

Daniel

:energetic:

[Mirorgate 0]

excellent!

me and the little woman do want be ummm how do you say... of family way? so, yeah, that kind complicates the career path. she was an adminastrator at a univ in mexico. she loves the atmosphere and would love doing similar work here. we haven't got a 'master' plan so to speak. que sera sera.

Daniel

:energetic:

yeah... but the job is kinda comin first... i hear rug-rats are expensive

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

yeah... but the job is kinda comin first... i hear rug-rats are expensive

tax deductible i am told. besides, as the saying in mexico goes: just add more water to the beans!

Daniel

:energetic:

[Saddle Bronc 124]

THe article actually has a nonsensical assumption as its basis--that the subjects were ever "born-again" in the first place. It is simply impossible for a Christian who actually is "born-again" to regress (or apostasise).

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

THe article actually has a nonsensical assumption as its basis--that the subjects were ever "born-again" in the first place. It is simply impossible for a Christian who actually is "born-again" to regress (or apostasise).

So, any 'born-again' who does regress was never truly 'born-again'? Is that what you are saying?

The way I see this line is more like: We are in a constant battle. Even Peter denied Jesus. Not once, not twice, but three times in a matter of hours.

So really, it does not surprise me that Christian, of whatever branch, go through different phases. As it applies to the article, it looks downright correct. Some are able to keep on the road. Others veer off. Some of those that veered off may eventually get back on.

have a nice day.

Daniel

:energetic:

[*Robert* 2]

To me, its education that sets them free... not becoming "liberal"!!!

[incanada1234 0]

THe article actually has a nonsensical assumption as its basis--that the subjects were ever "born-again" in the first place. It is simply impossible for a Christian who actually is "born-again" to regress (or apostasise).

[chri'stina 190]

THe article actually has a nonsensical assumption as its basis--that the subjects were ever "born-again" in the first place. It is simply impossible for a Christian who actually is "born-again" to regress (or apostasise).

So, any 'born-again' who does regress was never truly 'born-again'? Is that what you are saying?

The way I see this line is more like: We are in a constant battle. Even Peter denied Jesus. Not once, not twice, but three times in a matter of hours.

So really, it does not surprise me that Christian, of whatever branch, go through different phases. As it applies to the article, it looks downright correct. Some are able to keep on the road. Others veer off. Some of those that veered off may eventually get back on.

have a nice day.

Daniel

:energetic:

gotta agree with Daniel on this one.

I think it's very possible for someone who is very devoted to their walk and consider themselves born again to turn away from it later on. I personally have known many like that, and they really were devoted to God at some point but later something made them want to turn away and reject their faith. That's sad to me of course. But I wouldn't say they were never born again. They were, and had then turned away from it. Some go back again, some don't. It's a doctrinal difference I guess. I don't believe in 'once saved, always saved'.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

THe article actually has a nonsensical assumption as its basis--that the subjects were ever "born-again" in the first place. It is simply impossible for a Christian who actually is "born-again" to regress (or apostasise).

Is it possible perhaps, that the people who 'lose their faith' as a result of a college education might not have particularly strong beliefs to begin with?

Its not uncommon for people with not much in their lives to turn to something to fill that gap. Whether it be VJ, video games, drinking, religion?

[Fischkoepfin 1]

THe article actually has a nonsensical assumption as its basis--that the subjects were ever "born-again" in the first place. It is simply impossible for a Christian who actually is "born-again" to regress (or apostasise).

So, any 'born-again' who does regress was never truly 'born-again'? Is that what you are saying?

The way I see this line is more like: We are in a constant battle. Even Peter denied Jesus. Not once, not twice, but three times in a matter of hours.

So really, it does not surprise me that Christian, of whatever branch, go through different phases. As it applies to the article, it looks downright correct. Some are able to keep on the road. Others veer off. Some of those that veered off may eventually get back on.

have a nice day.

Daniel

:energetic:

gotta agree with Daniel on this one.

I think it's very possible for someone who is very devoted to their walk and consider themselves born again to turn away from it later on. I personally have known many like that, and they really were devoted to God at some point but later something made them want to turn away and reject their faith. That's sad to me of course. But I wouldn't say they were never born again. They were, and had then turned away from it. Some go back again, some don't. It's a doctrinal difference I guess. I don't believe in 'once saved, always saved'.

Yup. It shows that "being born again" is not considered the same in different evangelical groups. From an orthodox calvinist perspective, it is possible to slide back into a life of sin. There are two reasons for this, one being the person was not part of the elect in the first place, the other that the person while a member of the elect decided for the moment not to accept God's grace.

Depending on your perspective on this issue, the college kids who lose their faith can come from both groups. However, the fact that they were not able to withstand the temptations posed by the secular environment indicates that most likely they are not ready to accept grace in their life as of yet. No harm done in most cases.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Fishk, you are a professor, correct? Of what?

Nope, I'm a grad student in the humanities which is one of the main reasons I'm appalled by the attacks on American universities. What I see every day doesn't square at all with the way universities are oftentimes portrayed.