K1 AOS Gender examination????

[Angelheart1962 6]

I agree with SamOnline, they can look at any bit of me they want as long as I can get to be with my husband! Is it really such a big deal?? The fact you are protesting so much might throw up a red flag for them anyway.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

I have been extremely shocked to hear among immigrant community, that there might be a physical gender examination prior to get the green card.... Since this is a very degrading humiliating procedure (it is a whole worldwide big deal when it goes to that kind of procedure regarding feminine athletes, I guess it is not less degrading for average people)I guess I need some more information before taking action...

In addition, having a natural child immigrating with me (an after several years of medical studies), I do not want to be gross but I have a problem in figuring out HOW me, as a male, could POSSIBLY have been delivering a baby....?!?

Is it a legend or is it TRUE? And if it is true does anybody ever objected on here and got proved right?

It's true they MIGHT check, but based on everything you've been assuming, false. You keep referring to an internal exam, they are not permitted to do that, for many of the reasons you express (that it's not your doc etc).

The bolded section makes no sense to me. First what do you mean by "natural child"? Do you mean your biological son? Also, why are you wondering how they would think you had a baby? Do you mean as your biological son is immigrating with you, why would this check be necessary as you obviously have the male parts to produce him?

As stated, a long as you file the AOS before your medical is 1 year old, you won't require another one, just the I-693 vaccination transcription.

As for would I do it? I would if I had to, and as everyone else said, you don't do it, you don't immigrate, it's pretty much that simple. I didn't have to for my K1 medical, in fact they're SUPPOSED to do an external genital exam, and breast exam, neither of which were performed on me. I did however forward my pap smear results to the doc so this might be why he didn't bother.

[mari&Ryan 93]

I never had such thing like Gender examination when I had my K1 medical examination. As a matter of fact the doctor just checked my lungs; heart beat and asked a couple questions. He was more interested in my vaccination record. I was never asked to take my clothes off at all to check other things. Perhaps you should check if such examination is perform in your home country in order to get an US immigrant Visa, maybe you are worrying for nothing. There are many other things which to put your energy in during this process, so don’t worry too much about it.

[Tahoma 2,292]

Can you imagine if a DNA test was required? The OP would be whining about the cost and the wait time.

PS...In the Philippines, the doctor checks the genitals of both genders. They check for VD. They also check to see if women have given birth. In any case, they look but don't touch.

[Darnell 8,478]

I need to remind all -

that the OP is upset about

any medical exam

IN THE USA

for

'part of the AOS package'.

[Darnell 8,478]

Is it a legend or is it TRUE?

I claim it's a legend.

But it may be based on fact.

Here's some facts, that might get 'stretched' to 'fill' yer worry, some more.

Assume a K-1 visa holder makes it into the USA

Assume further that NO AOS was performed, in a timely fashion.

Assume even further than 2 years later, since the last medical exam - the couple gets around to actually filing for AOS.

NOW, at 'that time tick' - a NEW medical exam is required, as the prior exam has 'aged out' for any 'AOS case'.

The above is plausible and probable.

What follows - is not so probable -

During the medical exam, the civil physician examines yer genitalia , to determine if it's the original coupling gear or was formed/added on after birth.

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There's no guidelines for a civil surgeon to determine this 'actual gender' during a medical exam for any Adjustment of Status case. If a civil surgeon actually did that - it's some violation of 'stuff'.

I'll leave it to you, the gentle reader, to determine exactly what that 'stuff' is.

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A 'genital exam' in the USA, by a Civil Surgeon, for the medical exam required for an AOS case, would only be necessary IF there was any prior notice of malady 'in that area', so the Civil Surgeon could then 'write in' - 'cleared up' or 'still afflicted' - but

there must be some 'prior notice' about this malady, prior to showing up for the medical exam - ie - the Civil Surgeon MUST have instructions from USCIS to 'check yer privates' for a 'specific malady'.

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IMO, the propensity for 'this to happen' is quite small.

but - hey - even with me 'claiming' it's a 'legend' - I'm always a fan of 'vetting yer source' - so - if you would, please (since you brought it up) -

could you please, vette yer source? TIA !

Edited September 19, 2010 by Darnell

[BULLWINKLE 3]

Bottom line, if it's part of the processing routine then we all need to go with it... If Agnes really wants to be a part of the United States of America then she needs to play by the rules.

If she is not into it and wants to throw a hissy fit then stay home in Luxembourg!

Knowing that she is a part of the medical community is totally invalid in this case. Rules are rules and they apply to anyone going thru this process -your profession does not make you exempt.

For whatever reason, the US is not interested in your DNA test. For whatever reason, they rely on a physical exam. So Agnes should stop with the self-righteous attitude because she is a medical *professional* and stop with trying to pull rank above the Government and the rules that they have in place. What if patients in your field protested and disagreed with certain procedures that take place? What happens then? Either they are denied service, or delays take place. OR if it is in a public space and the patient throws a tantrum about what they deem to be fit or not, then security is called to remove them from the premises.

Agnes - you do not write the rules of immigration... keep that in mind.

[fiestagirl 7]

I never knew they did an intimate physical exam. I adjusted status while in the U.S. but because I'm pregnant, I brought all my records from my OB giving my syphilis / pap / last physical exam results, which I had just had a few months prior. I saw on the USCIS website that if you're pregnant, your OB can be your "intimate exam" doctor.

It might be a posibility that you can forward recent records from your doctor... who knows? I know it can be un-nerving to have a stranger doing that.

Good luck

[AT20000 38]

I don't get what medical this is about. According to the OP's timeline, she already went to the interview at the embassy and should have had the medical prior to the interview. Or she decided not to do it in France and do the medical in the US but then I don't see how it would be different. I did the medical (to get the K-1) in France and I don't remember any gender test. Maybe it was my 3 days old beard.

My main question reading this topic is : is there another medical to go through in the US even if one was completed before getting the visa? (FYI the medical I already did said "complete"). I read that as long as the AOS was done within 1 year of the previous medical, no new medical was needed

Other than that, my personal doctor does a check on my genital on a regular basis and I don't think it's shocking.

Of course Bruno it is NOT shocking since it is YOUR PERSONAL doctor not ANYBODY else. Mine are being checked on a regular basis by MY doctor also. Thank you for the answer since I have had my medical exam already and they did not check my genitals neither so I was a bit puzzled with that.

[bruno. 4]

Of course Bruno it is NOT shocking since it is YOUR PERSONAL doctor not ANYBODY else. Mine are being checked on a regular basis by MY doctor also. Thank you for the answer since I have had my medical exam already and they did not check my genitals neither so I was a bit puzzled with that.

Well, my current personal doctor is not the same as the one I saw the most when I was a kid because I moved since then. So I don't know him very well. So to me, it makes no difference if it's "my" doctor or any doctor. I just trust them to be professionals and not perform uncomfortable exams unless it's really necessary.

Edit : oh, and by the way, I don't see the doctor that much (fortunately) so every time I see him it's a little bit a stranger, but it's still a professional that I trust. Maybe you have problems to trust other doctor because you are part of it and you have your own way to do thing. I can understand it's annoying and/or uncomfortable when other doctors perform exams on you not the way you would have done it.

Anyway, it seems you won't have to go through another one, so i guess case closed.

Edited September 20, 2010 by bruno.

[SisJ 13]

I had a physical done and at the end of the exam the Dr. asked me to lay down, took a look and said "we have a girl"...i took less than 3 secs...it's not a big deal. it's not like you're having a gynecological exam or some'....if you do have to get it done just consider it a means to an end...either you let them peek or you don't immigrate

[cartaverde 12]

I had the medical when going the K-3 route, but it should be the same medical whether it'd be K-1 or K-3, right?

I never had to even remove my undies.

And I was not asked any gross or even basic question about the genital functions or history. I had a look on the medical questionnaire before the I had the medical so I was expecting some gender specific questions that were present in that form, but I was asked none of them, and I didn't fill in anything in the forms myself either. So the medical was one of the least painful bits in the whole immigration process - except for the wallet (over 400 euros).

[AT20000 38]

To close the debate and regarding the aggressivity of several posts I would say: "Man to Man is an arrant Wolfe"

More seriously: It is Ok for me since the medical exam took place in the country where I applied and the doc did not check my genitals.

What is odd to see is that most are stating things that are being contradicted by others and so on.

Anyways after what some of you told me and a search for confirmation in the regulations, the rule is: as long as the first medical exam did not take place more than one year ago, there will be no more exam for the AOS.

Some are stating "they will check your genitals" and are having "I don't know" written in Russian under their pic ( isn't it Alla?) Amazingly accurate motto since No they're not going to check my genitals (since they did NOT) and they obviously don't in many countries. Could be wise not to be so affirmative though....

Few things I don't understand (again maybe because the country where I come from is neither hell nor a gulag): Is it so UNTHINKABLE that an immigrant could possibly say "OK this is going too far, I quit the process and my fiancé will come over" if something is going against his own moral values?

Lots are being more royalists than the king himself! Immigration services seems to have a more comprehesive approach & be more respectful to people than the very peremptory sentences I have read here. Examples? The great way they handled the problem with Haiti. Another example: The FIRST rule for a K1 is "The applicants MUST have met in person" BUT they admit that in muslim countries any contact with a man, other than her father, including her future husband, is being degrading for a woman. As a consequence they allow people from these countries not to comply with this rule since it is against their values. So you see it is not all black or all white!

I am NOT trying to "make the rules",or "bark" and all the other joyful things I have read on here and no matter if I am in the medical or sweeping the streets, (it is not the point). I am just making sure I understand these rules in order for ME to decide what I want to put up with and what I don't want to put up with.

No need of lessons, lectures and so on, (medical above all... on where a chancre could be since guys could be scared by knowing which orifice they should check as 2nd main location if you see what I mean) I am not a complete idiot, I am a grown up adult able to handle the consequences of the decisions I make. It is beating a dead horse to repeat again and again that "OMG-they-have-the-power-to-say-no". I KNOW it like everyone of us on here and I guess on the entire planet, but I assume I have this right too. Well IF I'm allowed to, since it seems to be pretty much of a SIN on here....

Thank you very very very much to those who stuck to the facts and gave the accurate informations. Keep cool and have a good day!

[Darnell 8,478]

vette yer data, always !

[AT20000 38]

On 9/18/2010 at 7:11 AM, AT20000 said:

Hello,

I have been extremely shocked to hear among immigrant community, that there might be a physical gender examination prior to get the green card.... Since this is a very degrading humiliating procedure (it is a whole worldwide big deal when it goes to that kind of procedure regarding feminine athletes, I guess it is not less degrading for average people)I guess I need some more information before taking action...

In addition, having a natural child immigrating with me (an after several years of medical studies), I do not want to be gross but I have a problem in figuring out HOW me, as a male, could POSSIBLY have been delivering a baby....?!?

Is it a legend or is it TRUE? And if it is true does anybody ever objected on here and got proved right?

Thanks

UPDATE DUE TO FALSE CLAIMS AND TOXIC POSTERS: This did not happen, this was indeed some urban legend, and nobody, medical or not, checked my "business". New applicants: don't let internet bullies, fearmongers, and toxic "experts" scare you. Look at my timeline (knowing that I took my time to file for Naturalization) and don't be afraid!