K1 AOS Gender examination????

[AT20000 38]

Hello,

I have been extremely shocked to hear among immigrant community, that there might be a physical gender examination prior to get the green card.... Since this is a very degrading humiliating procedure (it is a whole worldwide big deal when it goes to that kind of procedure regarding feminine athletes, I guess it is not less degrading for average people)I guess I need some more information before taking action...

In addition, having a natural child immigrating with me (an after several years of medical studies), I do not want to be gross but I have a problem in figuring out HOW me, as a male, could POSSIBLY have been delivering a baby....?!?

Is it a legend or is it TRUE? And if it is true does anybody ever objected on here and got proved right?

Thanks

Edited September 18, 2010 by AgnesT

[canadian_wife 1,823]

My medical for my Cr-1 visa was really simple and really not a big deal. I wore a little paper dress which was totally stunning. The doctor said "lay on your back, I need to take a peek". She lifted up the paper dress and said "female, confirmed" and we laughed.

Degrading? Humiliating? It was funny. It was so not a big deal and if I objected, it would have turned a simple, non-event into a huge deal. That being said, even for Canadians, what happened to me was not the norm

Just relax. There is no internal examination.

Good luck

[AT20000 38]

My medical for my Cr-1 visa was really simple and really not a big deal. I wore a little paper dress which was totally stunning. The doctor said "lay on your back, I need to take a peek". She lifted up the paper dress and said "female, confirmed" and we laughed.

Degrading? Humiliating? It was funny. It was so not a big deal and if I objected, it would have turned a simple, non-event into a huge deal. That being said, even for Canadians, what happened to me was not the norm

Just relax. There is no internal examination.

Good luck

Well, let's be clear this in NOT gonna happen to me! They can check my DNA if they want (which is the ONLY way to be sure) but I do not find this kind of behavior funny AT ALL this is shocking. In addition on a strict medical point of view "a peek" have never proved a patient to be truly a female (I guess that due to my medical occupation I can say that I know what I am talking about). Do they ask that to American Women before they marry? I doubt, otherwise they would be suffocating under a pile of lawyers summons. Do they do that to manly guys they receive? neither. So what is not acceptable for their women is not acceptable for me neither.

Any other nightmares of that type?

[amykathleen2005 441]

It is a full physical exam of the body, not just for gender. And as you are a member of the medical field I assume you know that sexual organs are a part of the body. I heard both females and males are checked.

[Dakine 26]

Well, let's be clear this in NOT gonna happen to me! They can check my DNA if they want (which is the ONLY way to be sure) but I do not find this kind of behavior funny AT ALL this is shocking. In addition on a strict medical point of view "a peek" have never proved a patient to be truly a female (I guess that due to my medical occupation I can say that I know what I am talking about). Do they ask that to American Women before they marry? I doubt, otherwise they would be suffocating under a pile of lawyers summons. Do they do that to manly guys they receive? neither. So what is not acceptable for their women is not acceptable for me neither.

Any other nightmares of that type?

NOT gonna happen to me!

You won't be immigrating then.

[Caribbean Lady 3]

I won't take it too personal. Its a medical examination. I remember when I was in labor and felt how the heck am I going to do this...guess what I was glad that the all of the clinical staff wanted to "peek" as it avoided me giving birth in the hospital's corridor. Unfortunately, 9/11 have made us eveolved into the age of the USA Homeland Security and considering that they have to make sure they know who is entering the country, why not. It does'nt bother me at all.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

All immigrants K1, Cr1 DV lottery get a physical exam. If you are really a member of the medical professions you would know it is about as exciting as cleaning a toilet to the doctor giving hundreds of these exams a month. It is the price you pay for the privilege of coming to live in the US. If you want to refuse the exam I guess France is a nice enough place to live. You should inform your fiance before he wastes any more money and time thinking you are coming to the US though so he can spend that money moving to France.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well, let's be clear this in NOT gonna happen to me! They can check my DNA if they want (which is the ONLY way to be sure) but I do not find this kind of behavior funny AT ALL this is shocking. In addition on a strict medical point of view "a peek" have never proved a patient to be truly a female (I guess that due to my medical occupation I can say that I know what I am talking about). Do they ask that to American Women before they marry? I doubt, otherwise they would be suffocating under a pile of lawyers summons. Do they do that to manly guys they receive? neither. So what is not acceptable for their women is not acceptable for me neither.

Any other nightmares of that type?

You are going to have a medical exam. They are going to look at your genitals. Your gentials are part of your body and it is an exam of your body.

If you do not comply with the requirements of the visa, no visa is issued.

FWIW the "gender question" is more an issue for high fraud countries, France is not one, neither is Canada. I suspect the Canadian comment was made in jest as it is simply nothing more than a box to be checked for the examining doctor. In high fraud countries they may well do a DNA test, in addition.

There is no point in arguing that a "peek" is not sufficent, since sufficiency is subjective in all levels of this process. The doctor and the consulate must be "satisfied" that you are not circumventing the immigration laws by posing as a fiancee of a US citizen (man or woman) If a "peek" satisfies in France or Canada, then so be it. Maybe big hoop earrings will satisfy in France...who knows? I would wear big earrings just in case. I think high heels satisfies the requirement in Ukraine.

[Penguin_ie 5,995]

Actually, in Ireland two years ago, I did not have an intimate examination of "downstairs", but he did look at my c-section scar (I had given birth 4 months prior), and feel breasts for lumps, so I guess that was enough- maybe he could feel the milk in there so knew I was female!

[bruno. 4]

I don't get what medical this is about. According to the OP's timeline, she already went to the interview at the embassy and should have had the medical prior to the interview. Or she decided not to do it in France and do the medical in the US but then I don't see how it would be different. I did the medical (to get the K-1) in France and I don't remember any gender test. Maybe it was my 3 days old beard.

My main question reading this topic is : is there another medical to go through in the US even if one was completed before getting the visa? (FYI the medical I already did said "complete"). I read that as long as the AOS was done within 1 year of the previous medical, no new medical was needed

Other than that, my personal doctor does a check on my genital on a regular basis and I don't think it's shocking.

[Dodi 69]

If you come over on a K1 visa and file for your AOS within one year of your K1 medical exam, you don't have to retake the medical. If the OP has already had their K1 medical and are filing their AOS within the year of their original medical exam, then they're griping for nothing.

[Inky 1,111]

Yea the OPs timeline says they had the interview already but arent approved? Do they not have to give the medical exam to be approved?

I was told at my medical if they didnt have it at my interview or after the interview then there will be NO approval and no Visa.

Edit ( not that i wasnt going to give it to them, they said they make sure to tell all the people that pass through that medical center on K-1. )

Edited September 18, 2010 by Inky

[Rito 28]

Well, let's be clear this in NOT gonna happen to me! They can check my DNA if they want (which is the ONLY way to be sure) but I do not find this kind of behavior funny AT ALL this is shocking. In addition on a strict medical point of view "a peek" have never proved a patient to be truly a female (I guess that due to my medical occupation I can say that I know what I am talking about). Do they ask that to American Women before they marry? I doubt, otherwise they would be suffocating under a pile of lawyers summons. Do they do that to manly guys they receive? neither. So what is not acceptable for their women is not acceptable for me neither.

Any other nightmares of that type?

No offense intended, but what's the big deal? Would you never go to a proctologist or let your daughter go to a gynecologist for the same reason? They're just body parts being examined by doctors. I'm sure you can get through it.

[sachinky 465]

When I had my medical, there was an examination of private parts as well. I had no idea that it was to check whether I was female or whether it was a part of the deal with a full physical. I have had pap smears done before and it was no big deal. Uncomfortable, sure. But it was barely fifteen seconds and then it was done.

[BULLWINKLE 3]

I did not read the entire thread... but given that there is alot of immigration fraud and dare i say.. in the height of terrorism threats these days... the US want to be absolutely sure that they are granting status to a legitimate applicant. It may sound ridiculous but in this day and age, anything is possible. What if a male terrorist disguised themselves as female in order to gain entry into the US? This is just one possible scenario and homeland security need to cover all of their bases. This is part of the application procedure so.. get over it! It's a routine procedure.