Tolerance in Islam.

[Heracles 417]

Nice try ! It’s really so easy for you guys to pull out random passages from the Quran, remove them out of historical context, and then force people on here to justify to YOU, YOUR insinuations.

Of course most of us here can’t be bothered to have a ####### for tat with you on your level. but here’s an entire website that’s done some work on the Bible for you:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Desperation setting in I see.

[Heracles 417]

I have limited my posting on this thread and this board not because I'm a fraud, as BY asserts, but because it's making me truly sad to see how low some people will go to present a faith and its nearly one billion and a half adherents as blood thirsty heathen murders. The lies, cherry picked history and insistence that only one side be presented as truth is seriously disheartening.

I know a lot about Islam, it's diversity, history and cultures. I've made that my life's work so I could use it to combat oppression in the service of others. There are so many good and caring people who have defended Muslims here, and pointed out contradictions in the accusations thrown at it, I appreciate that.

There are so many lies, obfuscations, distortions and falsehoods flying around, it's hard to know where to begin. I'm tired of being required to explain the SOS over and over again when it would be best if another approach could be taken that makes things clear. A book of more than 6,000 verses which contains so much beauty is being reduced to a few verses that dictate how to respond in war. And not even all the war verses, just the ones that serve a limited and very negative purpose.

Islam is more than what hateful people project onto it. It is far more like Judaism and Christianity than not. But, there are a few on this board with an evil agenda that won't allow us to move beyond their extremist understanding of a great faith. Their reductionist view and aggressive offense to anything other than minimalizing Muslims and Islam prevents an honest discourse.

I don't believe this will always be the case, but, for now it is. I don't want to become what some here have become, so, I will remove myself from the discussion until VJ figures out a way to keep bullies from dominating the board.

Who would have thought there would be a day when you agree with certain other posters and even begin to post like them. Quite sad actually.

This is not Iran nor communism, you have no right to block legitimate concerns about barbaric atrocities committed against other humans; more importantly, against children.

Edited September 16, 2010 by Heracles

[TBoneTX 45,849]

Desperation setting in I see.

Not sure that I'd read her mind like that, but I do see a sweeping dismissal of honest questions from someone who's trying very hard to keep an open mind but who instead receives implications of being "low, cherry-picking, lying, reductionist," and a "bully" -- or who is being lumped in with those whom she considers such. This is very disappointing, and I will apparently have to reach my own conclusions about various matters.

I await specific answers to my questions.

[Bibi and Beebti 4]

Desperation setting in I see.

Did you even look at the link without blurting out your lamest response yet!? Why do you assume everyone has to answer to you ? but you can’t answer to them ? So we can dissect the Quraan, but can’t do the same for the Bible ? who are you anyway, what is your agenda here?

The only desperate I see trying to shove his opinions down everyone else’s throat is you.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Who would have thought there would be a day when you agree with certain other posters and even begin to post like them. Quite sad actually.

This is not Iran nor communism, you have no right to block legitimate concerns about barbaric atrocities committed against other humans; more importantly, against children.

STFU, BY! You have no credibilty to lecture me. Your willful ignorance, hateful diatribes and insistence that everyone post to please you has ruined the exchange for a lot of us. I used to think of you as a better person, but that's over. Enjoy yourself. I'm done with you.

[TBoneTX 45,849]

we can dissect the Quraan, but can’t do the same for the Bible ? who are you anyway, what is your agenda here?

I looked at that link and wasn't going to say anything, but I perceive your reliance on it to be an intent to drag down two other major religions (in the same way that you perceive is being done to yours). In addition, these two other religions are those upon which yours was based -- a point that has been stated earlier in this thread and in others. It strikes me as an instance of "I can't support my own argument, so I'll just drag everyone into the trash."

If my three questions of earlier are creating overload, then pick ONE to dispute or confirm.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Not sure that I'd read her mind like that, but I do see a sweeping dismissal of honest questions from someone who's trying very hard to keep an open mind but who instead receives implications of being "low, cherry-picking, lying, reductionist," and a "bully" -- or who is being lumped in with those whom she considers such. This is very disappointing, and I will apparently have to reach my own conclusions about various matters.

I await specific answers to my questions.

Sorry to disappoint you, but, your post just confirms that nothing I've said makes a difference. I have better things to do than endure insults and be demeaned for the explanations I have offered. There are places where people actually want to share, not just dictate to others. I prefer a dialogue to a monologue.

[TBoneTX 45,849]

STFU, BY! You have no credibilty to lecture me. Your willful ignorance, hateful diatribes and insistence that everyone post to please you has ruined the exchange for a lot of us.

????

What exactly is wrong in regard to this request, please? "you have no right to block legitimate concerns about barbaric atrocities committed against other humans; more importantly, against children."

????

[TBoneTX 45,849]

Sorry to disappoint you, but, your post just confirms that nothing I've said makes a difference.

Perhaps you're right, because I (for one) have read your previous reasonings (while trying to keep an open mind) and am objectively not yet persuaded.

I have better things to do than endure insults and be demeaned for the explanations I have offered. There are places where people actually want to share, not just dictate to others. I prefer a dialogue to a monologue.

I respect this, but (it seems to me that) you're avoiding a dialogue. I asked questions and suggested several ways in which the points could be disputed; in return came a sweeping dismissal.

[Bibi and Beebti 4]

I looked at that link and wasn't going to say anything, but I perceive your reliance on it to be an intent to drag down two other major religions (in the same way that you perceive is being done to yours). In addition, these two other religions are those upon which yours was based -- a point that has been stated earlier in this thread and in others. It strikes me as an instance of "I can't support my own argument, so I'll just drag everyone into the trash."

If my three questions of earlier are creating overload, then pick ONE to dispute or confirm.

Again, I fail to see why your highness expects answers to your specific questions, but can't look at other's evidence . Isn't your whole point here to 'reveal the exclusive violence of Islam' by removing certain passages from the Quraan out of context? and is showing you that the same passages exist in the Bible not enough to show you how that argument is futile.

you guys are funny seriously! "So would you answer my questions, please, I don't even want to look at other evidence to the contrary, because my questions are above all, and if you don't answer MY questions,with the response I want to hear, then your responses are invalid" , that's essentially what you're saying right

do you realize how childish that makes you seem? I think you can carry on this discussion with BY, you both seems to need everyone to agree with you, and you've found each other to agree with, so I'm sure you'll enjoy your discussion

signing out !

[Heracles 417]

Perhaps you're right, because I (for one) have read your previous reasonings (while trying to keep an open mind) and am objectively not yet persuaded.I respect this, but (it seems to me that) you're avoiding a dialogue. I asked questions and suggested several ways in which the points could be disputed; in return came a sweeping dismissal.

If one is to you look [analyze] this so-called dialogue she seeks, they will find it's filled with you're wrong and others did it too rhetoric.

I am still waiting for an answer to whether I can use a they did it to excuse, in a court of law.

[mawilson 2,133]

So we can dissect the Quraan, but can’t do the same for the Bible ?

I'd be careful "dissecting" the Koran, if I were you. Cutting it open is not much better than burning it.

[Krikit 1,165]

Inappropriate posts (and those quoting same) have been removed and administrative action taken.

[mawilson 2,133]

Inappropriate posts (and those quoting same) have been removed and administrative action taken.

'fess up, who did you ban?

[TBoneTX 45,849]

I'd be careful "dissecting" the Koran, if I were you. Cutting it open is not much better than burning it.

1. Apparently so, sigh man; and it might evoke a fatwa.

2. It's alleged that I've "quoted isolated passages out of context," but no one has explained why certain practitioners of the faith under discussion interpret those passages literally and apply them actively.

3. Note that I've been elevated (by election or appointment, I know not which) to "your highness." Please defer to this loftiness appropriately, si man.