What Not To Say When Pulled Over By Police

[The_Dude 1,142]

so you've been "reading about law enforcement"... okie dokie.

Apparently you didn't read anything that I posted. That would seem to be about par for the course for you from what I've read.

[slim 1,525]

Felonies are black and white, no grey area.

Then why was I charged with having a weapon under disability (F-3) while possessing a Concealed Handgun License? A CHL, by it's very nature, proves that I'm not a felon yet for some reason, I was still charged with a felony. How can that be if it's black and white?

That's the whole problem with interacting with law enforcement officers/agents. There is no black and white. It's all grey.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Then why was I charged with having a weapon under disability (F-3) while possessing a Concealed Handgun License? A CHL, by it's very nature, proves that I'm not a felon yet for some reason, I was still charged with a felony. How can that be if it's black and white?

That's the whole problem with interacting with law enforcement officers/agents. There is no black and white. It's all grey.

I meant, that in the eyes of a police officer, a felony is black and white, if they suspect that you've committed one, they will arrest you for it, and let either the watch commander or the D.A. sort out the final charges. When it comes to finally charging you and prosecuting you for something, yes, it is gray because a prosecutor would rather drop a charge down to something they can for sure win.

[evli1966 88]

Enter Scenario

While driving a tinted Civic (to dark to be legal without specialty plates) the vehicle was pulled over by an officer that ignored a person going more than 10 MPH over the apeed limit on route heading into the city.

After the exchange of ticket the Civic driver answered the officers statment "Do you have any questions, Sir?"

The driver responded "How are we really to feel afe on the road when you ignore a blatant reckless driver speeding past you to pull someone over with tinted windows?"

The Officer politely responded "I did not see that driver." (for the record the speeder sped past him after passing the Civic less than a 1/4 mile back)

The next day while the Driver of the Civic went to do errands he was pulled over again by a county sherriff for the same reason.

Even though the driver was very respectful at this time the sheriff gave him a hard time even threatening to arrest him for reciving a 2nd ticket for the same reason even though it was less than 24 hours from the first ticket and no chance to remove the tint was possible.

Meanwhile Early Monday Morning crossing the Border of the state to drive to an airport the a State trooper of the new state less than 1.5 hours away from the original ticket location pulls the Civic driver over for none other than dark tinted windows. (Mind you it is 3am on the interstae and there is no real way to tell unless you stop the person)

The Respectful trooper and respectful driver depart each other with no ticket but in parting the trooper stated Mr driver I really appreciate your respectful attitude and I always hope you remeber that in the future.

Moral

The Civic has specialty plates and the Driver never asks smartaz$ questions regarding tickets.

Mean while after that ticket

Edited September 21, 2010 by evli1966

[The_Dude 1,142]

Enter Scenario

While driving a tinted Civic (to dark to be legal without specialty plates) the vehicle was pulled over by an officer that ignored a person going more than 10 MPH over the apeed limit on route heading into the city.

After the exchange of ticket the Civic driver answered the officers statment "Do you have any questions, Sir?"

The driver responded "How are we really to feel afe on the road when you ignore a blatant reckless driver speeding past you to pull someone over with tinted windows?"

The Officer politely responded "I did not see that driver." (for the record the speeder sped past him after passing the Civic less than a 1/4 mile back)

The next day while the Driver of the Civic went to do errands he was pulled over again by a county sherriff for the same reason.

Even though the driver was very respectful at this time the sheriff gave him a hard time even threatening to arrest him for reciving a 2nd ticket for the same reason even though it was less than 24 hours from the first ticket and no chance to remove the tint was possible.

Meanwhile Early Monday Morning crossing the Border of the state to drive to an airport the a State trooper of the new state less than 1.5 hours away from the original ticket location pulls the Civic driver over for none other than dark tinted windows. (Mind you it is 3am on the interstae and there is no real way to tell unless you stop the person)

The Respectful trooper and respectful driver depart each other with no ticket but in parting the trooper stated Mr driver I really appreciate your respectful attitude and I always hope you remeber that in the future.

Moral

The Civic has specialty plates and the Driver never asks smartaz$ questions regarding tickets.

Mean while after that ticket

What is the point of you posting this scenario? Is it legal to have the tinted front windows? No. The bit about passing over someone driving 10 mph over the limit to give the person with the tinted windows a ticket is tantamount to a child saying "I know I was wrong, but my sister came home 30 minutes after curfew last night". Who cares, the driver of the civic was still breaking motor vehicle laws. Yes, both were wrong, but really, is 10 mph that much more egregious than a potential safety hazzard of driving with the front side windows tinted? Maybe in your opinion it is, but clearly it isn't in the view of the police.

[IndigoSkies 168]

Most of our cars can do 100 MPH or above. When will the silly federal speed limit be increased from 55 MPH to reflect car's ability and people's aptitude to drive comfortably and well at higher speed? Most people already drive that 80 to 90 MPH.

If you are pulled over at night, make sure to turn on all the lights inside your car before the copper approaches you car. Keep your hands visible and make all of your moves deliberate and announce. if you are going to open your compartment, say you are going to open your compartment. Coppers are always antsy and would like nothing more than to tase you or shoot you. If you have passenger in your car, make sure they too keep their hands visible and don't make any unnecessary moves.

Don't speed.

[Teacher Mark 53]

Most of our cars can do 100 MPH or above. When will the silly federal speed limit be increased from 55 MPH to reflect car's ability and people's aptitude to drive comfortably and well at higher speed? Most people already drive that 80 to 90 MPH.

If you are pulled over at night, make sure to turn on all the lights inside your car before the copper approaches you car. Keep your hands visible and make all of your moves deliberate and announce. if you are going to open your compartment, say you are going to open your compartment. Coppers are always antsy and would like nothing more than to tase you or shoot you. If you have passenger in your car, make sure they too keep their hands visible and don't make any unnecessary moves.

Don't speed.

Copper? Who is this, James Cagney?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTNqcqBabwk

[Teacher Mark 53]

Speaking of tinted windows:

New York Jets receiver Braylon Edwards was arrested on a drunken driving charge in New York early Tuesday morning...

The 27-year-old Edwards was pulled over for having overly tinted windows in his Range Rover. He was arrested at 5:15 a.m. after police smelled alcohol and administered a breathalyzer. According to the New York Post, Edwards blew .16 on the breathalyzer -- a blood-alcohol content that is twice the legal limit.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5598872

Edited September 21, 2010 by Mr. Saigon

[nab 74]

What is the point of you posting this scenario? Is it legal to have the tinted front windows? No. The bit about passing over someone driving 10 mph over the limit to give the person with the tinted windows a ticket is tantamount to a child saying "I know I was wrong, but my sister came home 30 minutes after curfew last night". Who cares, the driver of the civic was still breaking motor vehicle laws. Yes, both were wrong, but really, is 10 mph that much more egregious than a potential safety hazzard of driving with the front side windows tinted? Maybe in your opinion it is, but clearly it isn't in the view of the police.

LOL SWOOOOOSH! (moral of the story going over your head)

even though everything was written, i'll break it down in small sentences...

civic did not have specialty plates = red flag, pull over

1st cop: driver asked smartypants question = rec'd a ticket

3rd cop: driver was respectful = no ticket

lesson learned.

now:

"The Civic has specialty plates and the Driver never asks smartaz$ questions regarding tickets."

Most of our cars can do 100 MPH or above. When will the silly federal speed limit be increased from 55 MPH to reflect car's ability and people's aptitude to drive comfortably and well at higher speed? Most people already drive that 80 to 90 MPH.

If you are pulled over at night, make sure to turn on all the lights inside your car before the copper approaches you car. Keep your hands visible and make all of your moves deliberate and announce. if you are going to open your compartment, say you are going to open your compartment. Coppers are always antsy and would like nothing more than to tase you or shoot you. If you have passenger in your car, make sure they too keep their hands visible and don't make any unnecessary moves.

Don't speed.

some vehicle makers have made adjustments hit 95-97mph and you will feel the vehicle begin to bog down... continue and vehicle will cut off, let off gas and vehicle resumes lower speed just fine.

for those with a need for speed, there's still the muscle cars

[The_Dude 1,142]

LOL SWOOOOOSH! (moral of the story going over your head)

even though everything was written, i'll break it down in small sentences...

civic did not have specialty plates = red flag, pull over

1st cop: driver asked smartypants question = rec'd a ticket

3rd cop: driver was respectful = no ticket

lesson learned.

now:

"The Civic has specialty plates and the Driver never asks smartaz$ questions regarding tickets."

Corky, I got the reference that he was making, it was however superfluous to the point I made as I clearly made the distinction regarding officers lack of disgretion pertaining to felonies. I guess I figured that by excluding misdemeanors and infractions from that statement that you would logically come to the correct conclusion. You didn't however, further proving my point regarding your grasp of the topic at hand. You clearly cannot see beyond your own nose, or your own experiences. Sad really, but you really should run along and let the adults talk here. You are grasp of law enforcement is painfully juvenile at best, willfully ignorant at worst.

[nab 74]

Corky, I got the reference that he was making, it was however superfluous to the point I made as I clearly made the distinction regarding officers lack of disgretion pertaining to felonies. I guess I figured that by excluding misdemeanors and infractions from that statement that you would logically come to the correct conclusion. You didn't however, further proving my point regarding your grasp of the topic at hand. You clearly cannot see beyond your own nose, or your own experiences. Sad really, but you really should run along and let the adults talk here. You are grasp of law enforcement is painfully juvenile at best, willfully ignorant at worst.

corky? is that some old man term with which i'm not familiar?

you say you "got the reference that he was making"

but previously, and the post *I* quoted, you stated "What is the point of you posting this scenario?" so sorry mr man, just attempting to clear the fog for you. i'll go back to RL and leave you to spread misinformation and bad grammar over the internet

oh, just for the record mr angry little man, this was not *my* XP, it was evli1966, but guess you couldnt see beyond "your own nose"

thanks for the laughs, it's been real

[The_Dude 1,142]

corky? is that some old man term with which i'm not familiar?

you say you "got the reference that he was making"

but previously, and the post *I* quoted, you stated "What is the point of you posting this scenario?" so sorry mr man, just attempting to clear the fog for you. i'll go back to RL and leave you to spread misinformation and bad grammar over the internet

oh, just for the record mr angry little man, this was not *my* XP, it was evli1966, but guess you couldnt see beyond "your own nose"

thanks for the laughs, it's been real

You really should read before posting, maybe then you wouldn't look so foolish. I got the reference he was making, my point was that it was superfluous.

For the record, I'm not angry. Ignorance like what you've shown throughout this thread should be pitied. Educate yourself before posting about something you know nothing of. You are the one who is spreading misinformation with your personal anecdotes that ammount to nothing. Go back to real life, I think the fries are burning, better go take care of that.

Edited September 21, 2010 by Rob & Mel

[evli1966 88]

LOL SWOOOOOSH! (moral of the story going over your head)

even though everything was written, i'll break it down in small sentences...

civic did not have specialty plates = red flag, pull over

1st cop: driver asked smartypants question = rec'd a ticket

3rd cop: driver was respectful = no ticket

lesson learned.

now:

"The Civic has specialty plates and the Driver never asks smartaz$ questions regarding tickets."

some vehicle makers have made adjustments hit 95-97mph and you will feel the vehicle begin to bog down... continue and vehicle will cut off, let off gas and vehicle resumes lower speed just fine.

for those with a need for speed, there's still the muscle cars

You missed the 2nd stop where the driver was being respectful and the Officer was not neccessariy and blew it out of proportion (IMO on purpose to drive home a point.) That point I will get to at the bottom.

Corky, I got the reference that he was making, it was however superfluous to the point I made as I clearly made the distinction regarding officers lack of disgretion pertaining to felonies. I guess I figured that by excluding misdemeanors and infractions from that statement that you would logically come to the correct conclusion. You didn't however, further proving my point regarding your grasp of the topic at hand. You clearly cannot see beyond your own nose, or your own experiences. Sad really, but you really should run along and let the adults talk here. You are grasp of law enforcement is painfully juvenile at best, willfully ignorant at worst.

Actually you got part of the reference your sensitivity to being a cop or former one (I believe we estblished that before) prevents you from seeing the humor in what happened and the value of the story.

I will explain below.

You really should read before posting, maybe then you wouldn't look so foolish. I got the reference he was making, my point was that it was superfluous.

For the record, I'm not angry. Ignorance like what you've shown throughout this thread should be pitied. Educate yourself before posting about something you know nothing of. You are the one who is spreading misinformation with your personal anecdotes that ammount to nothing. Go back to real life, I think the fries are burning, better go take care of that.

You are incorrect about the superflous orf the post. The post hit dead on on what not to say and what not to do.

The Cop was in the right to pull the driver over (me) and issued a ticket the second cop and 3rd cop as well even though the 3rd did not issue a ticket.

I was in the wrong for making s Samrta$z question/statement that most likely made the cop feel bad or plain ole ticked him off. Not counting haivng tinted windows that required special plates and not having special plates.

The Initial Cop most likely hit the airwaves or posted something about my vehichle and to watch out for the Smartaz$ driving it.

The Sheriff that pulled me over the 2nd time about 20 miles away the next day wasn't buying the respectful attitude or mind set I was in and was trying teach me a lessen

The 3rd stop by the trooper on the state border that stopped me on the way to the airport could not determine my tinted windows until I was stopped unless of course he had super vision of some sort but his parting comment stuck "I really appreciate your respectful attitude and I always hope you remeber that in the future."

Is it possible it was just my luck to be stopped on Friday, Saturday and then Early Monday morning after not driving on Sunday or was there more envolvement?

The Moral of the story is do not be Smarta$z to the cop that pulls you over.

The point that hits the topic is never tell an officer/cop what they should be doing when they are pulling you over.

Rob & Mel ease up on your sensitivity button and let some humor in.

[The_Dude 1,142]

You missed the 2nd stop where the driver was being respectful and the Officer was not neccessariy and blew it out of proportion (IMO on purpose to drive home a point.) That point I will get to at the bottom.

Actually you got part of the reference your sensitivity to being a cop or former one (I believe we estblished that before) prevents you from seeing the humor in what happened and the value of the story.

I will explain below.

You are incorrect about the superflous orf the post. The post hit dead on on what not to say and what not to do.

The Cop was in the right to pull the driver over (me) and issued a ticket the second cop and 3rd cop as well even though the 3rd did not issue a ticket.

I was in the wrong for making s Samrta$z question/statement that most likely made the cop feel bad or plain ole ticked him off. Not counting haivng tinted windows that required special plates and not having special plates.

The Initial Cop most likely hit the airwaves or posted something about my vehichle and to watch out for the Smartaz$ driving it.

The Sheriff that pulled me over the 2nd time about 20 miles away the next day wasn't buying the respectful attitude or mind set I was in and was trying teach me a lessen

The 3rd stop by the trooper on the state border that stopped me on the way to the airport could not determine my tinted windows until I was stopped unless of course he had super vision of some sort but his parting comment stuck "I really appreciate your respectful attitude and I always hope you remeber that in the future."

Is it possible it was just my luck to be stopped on Friday, Saturday and then Early Monday morning after not driving on Sunday or was there more envolvement?

The Moral of the story is do not be Smarta$z to the cop that pulls you over.

The point that hits the topic is never tell an officer/cop what they should be doing when they are pulling you over.

Rob & Mel ease up on your sensitivity button and let some humor in.

I dont' think i'm being overly sensitive. Nab came into the thread ignorantly trying to pass off his little anecdotes as some sort of evidence, when in fact it was just him making sh!t up. No, I got your point, but I don't think you got mine. You posted that scenario in response to my post about certain crimes (felonies) being black or white, not disgression on the part of the officer. There is disgression allowed when it comes to lesser crimes and infractions. This would include "fix it" tickets like an illegal window tint.

The scenario you posted was moot because by your own admission, you were guilty of the infraction. Yes, it was a bit overzealous on the part of the 2nd cop, but it was well within the guidelines, and you were still breaking the law. I think the actions of the third cop are more appropriate. I'm not sure about your state, but where I live, there is no actual fine for those sorts of tickets, just a matter of fixing it and taking it to the highway patrol to sign off on a paper that you made the vehicle changes to address the citation.

[nab 74]

You really should read before posting, maybe then you wouldn't look so foolish. I got the reference he was making, my point was that it was superfluous.

For the record, I'm not angry. Ignorance like what you've shown throughout this thread should be pitied. Educate yourself before posting about something you know nothing of. You are the one who is spreading misinformation with your personal anecdotes that ammount to nothing. Go back to real life, I think the fries are burning, better go take care of that.

i believe his input was anything but "superfluous". but nice to see you are learning a word a day and using it every chance you get. Good for you!

his post, with example of what to do and not to do when pulled over by police, was much more applicable to this thread than any of the snide postings