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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=202933

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If not Islam, who is the enemy?

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September 13, 2010

By Patrick J. Buchanan

The Rev. Terry Jones may have just exposed the ultimate futility of America's war in Afghanistan. Consider the portrait of frustrated impotence America presented to the world last week:

Our president and the secretaries of state and defense deplored Pastor Jones' plan to burn 100 Qurans but could do nothing to stop him, other than to plead with him. Jones decided to call it off himself. What was the message received by a billion Muslims? "Muslims must understand that our Constitution protects the desecration of your holiest book. America is a place where people have a right to denounce Islam as a religion 'of the devil' and burn the Quran in public."

Having gotten the message, Afghan mobs chanting, "Death to America," burned the American flag and set off to kill our soldiers.

Can rural Afghans understand the refusal of a U.S. president to stop what they see as a televised sacrilege against their faith? In their country, Jones would have been stoned to death. That is who they are.

What would a U.S. soldier say to an Afghan soldier who asked, "If you Americans believe it is the exercise of a precious right to burn our holy book, the Quran, why should we fight beside you, against fellow Muslims, who would fight to protect the Quran?"

Had Jones' Quran-burning gone forward, the televised pictures would have gone out to the world. The impact would likely have been of the same magnitude as that of the Dutch cartoons of the Prophet that ignited riots across Europe and the Islamic world and the anti-Islamic scribbles of Salmon Rushdie that earned the novelist a fatwa – a death sentence – from Ayatollah Khomeini.

Now consider the message sent to U.S. troops.

Their commander, Gen. Petraeus, warned that, should the Quran burning proceed, it could endanger their lives and imperil the mission President Obama sent them to fight and die for.

To those troops, President Obama was saying that his read on the First Amendment forbids him from interfering with book burnings in America that could get them killed in Afghanistan.

How do you fight and win a war like that, with a war president like that?

Saturday, the president declared: "Americans are not – and never will be – at war with Islam. It was not a religion that attacked us ... it was al-Qaida."

President Bush declared Islam "a religion of peace."

Both statements are understandable, for if we are perceived as at war with Islam, we will lose that war, and Osama bin Laden will have won by having broadened and defined what the war was about.

But, while understandable, are the two presidents' statements wholly credible? For tens of millions of Muslims and growing numbers of Americans are indeed coming to see this as a religious war.

If we are not at war with Islam, why are we fighting the Taliban? They did not attack us.

If Islam is a religion of peace, why are Muslims massacring Christians in Nigeria and Sudan? Why did those Afghan mobs also yell, "Death to Christians"? Why are Christian Copts being attacked in Egypt, and Assyrian and Chaldean Christians in Iraq? Did these Christian communities start a holy war against their vastly more numerous Muslim brethren?

What do the terrorists and "state sponsors of terrorism" – Mohamed Atta, bin Laden, al-Qaida, the Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – have in common, except for Islam?

Is not the one thing that differentiates them from our friends in the Middle East, such as President Mubarak of Egypt and King Abdullah of Jordan, that our enemies exhibit a more rigorous Islamic faith?

What motivates the jihadists, who conduct suicide attacks on American soldiers and drive car bombs onto U.S. military posts, if not the Quran's promise of paradise if they die a martyr's death?

If some Muslims hate us because we are the new Romans, is that hatred not grounded in the Islamic mandate to drive infidels out of the Dar al-Islam, the House of Islam?

If other Muslims hate us for our corrupt culture, what is the source of that hatred, other than Islam's puritanical teachings? If others hate us, as neoconservatives argue, for our freedoms, what is the taproot of that hatred?

When Obama and Bush hail Islam as a religion of peace, do they know more about Islam than those who are dying for it?

Describing Islam as a religion of peace is like saying Prussians were a people of peace. It is at best a partial truth.

According to a Washington Post poll, two-thirds of Americans do not want the Cordoba House mosque built near Ground Zero, and half of all Americans harbor negative views about Islam. They don't want the mosque by Ground Zero because they think Islam had something to do with those 3,000 massacred Americans. Are they entirely wrong?

How do we win a long war when we cannot name the enemy?

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Yep, cranking it up. I'm predicting preemptive strikes against Iran shortly. Obama has missed the boat, he should have had this all ready to roll in October - that would boost his ratings and the Dems chances of getting re-elected. :thumbs:

Edited by Madame Cleo

Refusing to use the spellchick!

I have put you on ignore. No really, I have, but you are still ruining my enjoyment of this site. .

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Ecuador
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Fine to shoot the messenger, but if someone named "Pat Smith" wrote that, how would one address the arguments?

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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Someone named Pat Smith didn't write it. Pat Buchanan may be new to you, but I've been acquainted with his mindset for more than 40 years.

I thought Buchanan opposed the Iraq War and is considered anti-Israel.

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I thought Buchanan opposed the Iraq War and is considered anti-Israel.

IN fact he was against it.... before it was "cool".

He is also very much against war with Iran over nukes, claiming -if there is a danger, it is on Europe's door step... if they are not prompted to act, why should we?

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TBONE> Dude you are stepping on my territory..... I am the resident poster of Buchanans "gems".

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Ecuador
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I notice that none of the "critics" in this thread are addressing themselves to the arguments in the article, but are instead dissing the messenger(s).

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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I notice that none of the "critics" in this thread are addressing themselves to the arguments in the article, but are instead dissing the messenger(s).

Your article is a biased op-ed piece, post something from someone who doesn't have an agenda, from an actually reputable source and maybe you'll get the discourse that you desire. Disappointing, but not unexpected. You must have given yourself one too many frontal wedgies, si man.

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I notice that none of the "critics" in this thread are addressing themselves to the arguments in the article, but are instead dissing the messenger(s).

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Pat Buchanan is a well known Catholic xenophobe and isolationist. I don't expect anything other than anti-Muslim rhetoric from him.

Patty is quite a piece of work, and in my top ten biggest dill weeds list regarding politics. Unfortunately I agree with most of his comments here.

Claiming diversity only goes so far in the face of the universal reaction of violent outrage to anything perceived as a slight to Islam as a whole.

We aren't at war with Islam but the verbage is definately making it difficult to define the enemy.

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People who disagree with the columnist's statements are encouraged to pick one or more to reason against.

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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How do we win a long war when we cannot name the enemy?

Has Mr. Buchanan never heard of al Qaeda? Or UBL? Or al-Zawahiri? I could go on. Those are all names of organizations and individuals who we are at war against.

I'm speculating here, but I strongly suspect Mr. Buchanan is whining about this because we won't just declare war on all of Islam. Maybe he'd like that.

 

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