The religion of science.

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Edited September 13, 2010 by Nightracker

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God is as man-made as the keyboard you used to post these 1980s videos of nonsense.

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Comparison of Arab and Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

Arab/Islamic Nobel Prize Winners

From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people) Literature

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace

1978 - Anwar El-Sadat

1994 - Yasser Arafat *

2003 - Shirin Ebadi

Chemistry

1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Physics

Abdus Salam

* NOTE: Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel "Peace Prize" to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a "terrorist."

Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people) Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse

1927 - Henri Bergson

1958 - Boris Pasternak

1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 - Nelly Sachs

1976 - Saul Bellow

1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

1981 - Elias Canetti

1987 - Joseph Brodsky

1991 - Nadine Gordimer

2002 - Imre Kertesz

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried

1911 - Tobias Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin

1973 - Henry Kissinger

1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel

1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1972 - William Howard Stein

1972 - C.B. Anfinsen

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Ronald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1989 - Sidney Altman

1992 - Rudolph Marcus

1998 - Walter Kohn

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

2004 - Irwin Rose

2004 - Avram Hershko

2004 - Aaron Ciechanover

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1973 - Wassily Leontief

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton Friedman

1978 - Herbert A. Simon

1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow

1990 - Harry Markowitz

1990 - Merton Miller

1992 - Gary Becker

1993 - Rober Fogel

1994 - John Harsanyi

1994 - Reinhard Selten

1997 - Robert Merton

1997 - Myron Scholes

2001 - George Akerlof

2001 - Joseph Stiglitz

2002 - Daniel Kahneman

2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich

1914 - Robert Barany

1922 - Otto Meyerhof

1930 - Karl Landsteiner

1931 - Otto Warburg

1936 - Otto Loewi

1944 - Joseph Erlanger

1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 - Hans Krebs

1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg

1959 - Arthur Kornberg

1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob

1965 - Andre Lwoff

1967 - George Wald

1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 - Salvador Luria

1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz

1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 - David Baltimore

1975 - Howard Martin Temin

1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow

1977 - Andrew V. Schally

1978 - Daniel Nathans

1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 - Gertrude Elion

1989 - Harold Varmus

1991 - Erwin Neher

1991 - Bert Sakmann

1993 - Richard J. Roberts

1993 - Phillip Sharp

1994 - Alfred Gilman

1994 - Martin Rodbell

1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner

1998 - Robert F. Furchgott

2000 - Eric R. Kandel

2002 - Sydney Brenner

2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich

1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1963 - Eugene P. Wigner

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - Leon N. Cooper

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - Peter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Georges Charpak

1995 - Martin Perl

1995 - Frederick Reines

1996 - David M. Lee

1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff

1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

2000 - Zhores I. Alferov

2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg

2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

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Comparison of Arab and Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

Arab/Islamic Nobel Prize Winners

From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people) Literature

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace

1978 - Anwar El-Sadat

1994 - Yasser Arafat *

2003 - Shirin Ebadi

Chemistry

1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Physics

Abdus Salam

* NOTE: Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel "Peace Prize" to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a "terrorist."

Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people) Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse

1927 - Henri Bergson

1958 - Boris Pasternak

1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 - Nelly Sachs

1976 - Saul Bellow

1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

1981 - Elias Canetti

1987 - Joseph Brodsky

1991 - Nadine Gordimer

2002 - Imre Kertesz

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried

1911 - Tobias Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin

1973 - Henry Kissinger

1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel

1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1972 - William Howard Stein

1972 - C.B. Anfinsen

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Ronald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1989 - Sidney Altman

1992 - Rudolph Marcus

1998 - Walter Kohn

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

2004 - Irwin Rose

2004 - Avram Hershko

2004 - Aaron Ciechanover

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1973 - Wassily Leontief

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton Friedman

1978 - Herbert A. Simon

1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow

1990 - Harry Markowitz

1990 - Merton Miller

1992 - Gary Becker

1993 - Rober Fogel

1994 - John Harsanyi

1994 - Reinhard Selten

1997 - Robert Merton

1997 - Myron Scholes

2001 - George Akerlof

2001 - Joseph Stiglitz

2002 - Daniel Kahneman

2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich

1914 - Robert Barany

1922 - Otto Meyerhof

1930 - Karl Landsteiner

1931 - Otto Warburg

1936 - Otto Loewi

1944 - Joseph Erlanger

1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 - Hans Krebs

1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg

1959 - Arthur Kornberg

1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob

1965 - Andre Lwoff

1967 - George Wald

1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 - Salvador Luria

1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz

1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 - David Baltimore

1975 - Howard Martin Temin

1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow

1977 - Andrew V. Schally

1978 - Daniel Nathans

1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 - Gertrude Elion

1989 - Harold Varmus

1991 - Erwin Neher

1991 - Bert Sakmann

1993 - Richard J. Roberts

1993 - Phillip Sharp

1994 - Alfred Gilman

1994 - Martin Rodbell

1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner

1998 - Robert F. Furchgott

2000 - Eric R. Kandel

2002 - Sydney Brenner

2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich

1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1963 - Eugene P. Wigner

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - Leon N. Cooper

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - Peter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Georges Charpak

1995 - Martin Perl

1995 - Frederick Reines

1996 - David M. Lee

1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff

1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

2000 - Zhores I. Alferov

2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg

2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

The religous disparity is incidental. The nobel prize committee has been accused many times (and acknowleged occasionally) of a geographic and political bias.

There is no surprise that an organization that has admitted to having a Eurocentric bias has given more awards to people in western countries.

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Comparison of Arab and Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

This topic isn't about Arab or Jewish, its about science/facts mentioned in the Quran.

Here is a list of Muslim scientists : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

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Funny how the religion of war and poverty is the word of Allah. I watched these videos and all of the scientists come from Christian and Jewish backgrounds. Surely Mohamed would have enlighten his own to have figured this out, rather than the very same infidels the Qur'an says to kill and at any cost. When was the last time someone saw Al Sharouk or Mahmoud in any science book? Strange since the Qur'an apparently predicted all of this.

I've seen people totally discredit versus straight out of the Qur'an clearly stating kill the infidels (Christians, Buddhist, Hindus or atheist) and directly the Jews, downplayed by the foolish followers. Yet boy does a sentence of extremely generic wording apparently equate to science predictions.

For example:

"the mountains will move" Response: 'OMFG that is plate tectonics'.

"Kill the J-ws, even when they are hiding" Response: 'it's just generic and you misquoted it'.

Edited September 15, 2010 by Heracles

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The religous disparity is incidental. The nobel prize committee has been accused many times (and acknowleged occasionally) of a geographic and political bias.

There is no surprise that an organization that has admitted to having a Eurocentric bias has given more awards to people in western countries.

Is that so? Then I guess you wouldn't mind giving us a list of Nobel-worthy achievements

by Arab/Islamic scientists, doctors and writers that were overlooked by the Nobel prize committee?

Take your time, honey.

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Here is a list of Muslim scientists : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

Seriously? Most of them are from 600-1300AD. Got a more recent list?

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Is that so? Then I guess you wouldn't mind giving us a list of Nobel-worthy achievements

by Arab/Islamic scientists, doctors and writers that were overlooked by the Nobel prize committee?

Take your time, honey.

Nobel worthy? Please! You mean like Obama's nobel peace prize? Well I took a ####### today, that might be worth one. Their standards of achievment don't seem to be that high lately.

Look, if we didn't call the region the middle east, I'm not sure the average American could find it on a map. And my point is the nobel prize committee, by their own admission, doesn't seem to be all that interested either. And that's my only point.

As far as Arab acomplishments, I don't know and I'm not making any claims for or against. I'm sure there are many. I don't have the time to find out and I'm not going to post half assed factoids from google or wikipedia. Your response would be of the straw man variety anyway.

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Is that so? Then I guess you wouldn't mind giving us a list of Nobel-worthy achievements

by Arab/Islamic scientists, doctors and writers that were overlooked by the Nobel prize committee?

Take your time, honey.

What is your point? That Arabs are less intelligent than other ethnicities? #######?

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What is your point? That Arabs are less intelligent than other ethnicities? #######?

Not less intelligent. All groups of people are more or less equal to start off with. It's the culture that makes some civilizations successful and others not so much. That's the point. Islam is leading to a oppressive and unadvanced culture where creativity is suppressed and human rights are ignored. If Arabs were less intelligent, that would be one thing. The point is that in the beginning they are just as intelligent but Islam is stopping them from succeeding. Unless you believe that they are biologically less intelligent there really isn't another explanation.

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Not less intelligent. All groups of people are more or less equal to start off with. It's the culture that makes some civilizations successful and others not so much. That's the point. Islam is leading to a oppressive and unadvanced culture where creativity is suppressed and human rights are ignored. If Arabs were less intelligent, that would be one thing. The point is that in the beginning they are just as intelligent but Islam is stopping them from succeeding. Unless you believe that they are biologically less intelligent there really isn't another explanation.

Oh no? 'Splain me please about other nations that fail to rank in the "success" department, but don't adhere to Islam. There most certainly are other explanations, chief among them poverty and lack of access.

I think theocracies can suck it. But I have way bigger fish to fry in terms of hunger, abject poverty, and educational resources when it comes to explaining failure to excel. The impulse to run to Islam as the culprit is a willful failure of objective investigation, in my opinion.

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Did you guys miss the title and the video in the OP? 10cm by 10cm window, not that hard to miss.

Nice of you to mention straw man arguments Dakin, considering this is not about Arabs. The comments were in relation to Islam apparently being the religion of science. Had this been the case, surely Islamic countries would be the epicenter of progress and development. Rather than the birth place of a large number of immigrants to western countries.

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Did you guys miss the title and the video in the OP? 10cm by 10cm window, not that hard to miss.

Nice of you to mention straw man arguments Dakin, considering this is not about Arabs. The comments were in relation to Islam apparently being the religion of science. Had this been the case, surely Islamic countries would be the epicenter of progress and development. Rather than the birth place of a large number of immigrants to western countries.

I didn't bring up arabs, Hecraoleos. I responded to a poster who used the term "arab/islamic" and then replied to the poster who reponded to me with the same term. Islam is a religious designation, arab is not. Regardless of the original topic, The nobel prize committee has not admitted to having religious bias, just a geographic one.

I had no reponse to the validity of the original topic. Religion is dogmatic, science is not. The prosperity of any religion has historically been at the detriment of science. It's not unique to a single religion.