The eternal flame of Muslim outrage

[ready4ONE 5,400]

What is this fresh hell of text block? Please use your words. And try to remember the original point you were ostensibly making. Hint: it regarded flag-burning mobs.

Sweet god of parlor tricks. Focus dude.

I find it intriging how your English skills fluctuate from post to post. Anyway...

Flag burning Muslim mobs stampeding all over themselves, to the point of violent deaths of participants might be also a symptom of their poverty and education levels. So should we assume it also influenced their choice of religions?

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I could not help but laugh when I saw on the news Muslims burning the American flag at the mere prospect of some nutter burning the Koran.

Just wondered if it occurred to them the message they were sending.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Not every country sees Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. While they did start out as a terrorist organization much like the the people (did you know George Washington was considered a "terrorist") and groups who formed America were considered "terrorists". Hezbollah is now part of the Lebanese government unlike Al Qaeda who doesn't have a country. In my opinion Hezbollah is very necessary unless you want all of south Lebanon to become part of Israel....yeah I am sure most of you would love that but it won't happen. Yeah and guess what people....tons of CHRISTIANS in Lebanon support Hezbollah. Anyone who opposes or stands up to Israel is suddenly labeled as terrorist....it's ridiculous. Of course most people on here only listen to Fox and CNN so no matter what you tell them Soffiya they will never see the full picture. Ok sheeple you should have a field day with this

Seeing how Hezbollah attacked in 2006 without justification, murdering ten Israeli soldiers, and kidnapping three more...yes I would have to say Hezbollah is nothing more than a bunch of gutless terrorist ######

Of course let's not forget how Hezbollah hid rocket launchers inside of schools therefore endangering women and children.

In the mean time Hezbollah managed to get Lebanon bombed to pieces.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

The reason the US doesn’t want people to view Hizbullah favorably is because Nasrallah is actually intelligent, he’s an intellectual (contrary to what most might know of him). He has also become a prominent figure in the region, because his politics make sense to regular citizens. But that don’t fit in neatly with America’s dabbling in the Middle East, because the rest of the region’s political leaders follow America’s orders blindly, where as Hizbullah actually speak what they believe.

If people in the West were to know any truth about that situation it would surely jeopardize Israel’s agenda, and expose their own terrorism. And who better than Hizbullah to deflect attention away from Israel. They are Muslim after all (naturally-as is the majority of the region ) and since most people in the West already equate Islam with violence it works perfectly for America and Israel.

The Christians in Lebanon supporting Hizbullah are also part of an alliance party together with Nasrallah (the March 8th Alliance, making 50% of the Lebanese Government). Then there’s the other camp of Christians and Muslims (March 14th Alliance) making up the other half. They do however all sit in the same parliament together discussing the politics of their country.

A perfect example of SAME religion opposition, and cross-religious collaboration. But who wants to believe that actually takes place in the Middle East.

"...and they all lived happily together...THE END". I must have been in a comatose state the last three plus decades.

Let's see just how well all the happy merry peoples of Lebanon have been getting along with each other these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_conflict_in_Lebanon

2008 conflict in Lebanon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%932008_Lebanese_political_protests

2006–2008 Lebanese political protests

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005-2007_Lebanon_bombings

Lebanon bombings and assassinations (2004–present)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Revolution

Cedar Revolution

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

This is an interesting story. A day or so after 9/11, a denunciation, a fatwa, was issued by a famous Muslim group often in the news. The irony of their denunciation of the violence on that day and their repudiation of Al Qaeda and Bin Laden is staggering and definitely newsworthy, but I'll bet few who demand denunciations even saw it.

The Muslim group that was hating on Al Qaeda.is Hezbullah, another terrorist group.

Did you know that?

Maybe if the amount of Muslim's visually and vocally denouncing these Islamic extremest were near the same number of Muslim's taking to the streets celebrating 9/11 or even equaling the numbers of Muslim's going nuts in the streets and attacking Danish embassy's (after a cartoon) the world might have a different view of Islam.

And no it has nothing to do with the press. Al Jazeera is read by many...along with Reuters, BBC, etc.... Not much is hidden in this day and age seeing how it's the age of the cell phone w/camera and internet access.

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Seeing how Hezbollah attacked in 2006 without justification, murdering ten Israeli soldiers, and kidnapping three more...yes I would have to say Hezbollah is nothing more than a bunch of gutless terrorist ######

Of course let's not forget how Hezbollah hid rocket launchers inside of schools therefore endangering women and children.

In the mean time Hezbollah managed to get Lebanon bombed to pieces.

Maybe the soldiers shouldn't have crossed onto the Lebanese side of the border. Also why are the Israelis allowed an unlimited supply of weapons but anytime Lebanon has weapons it is "illegal"? What about all of the years Israel occupied southern Lebanon, you couldn't imagine the crimes they committed against ordinary people during that time....of course that will never be reported. Who told you about the rocket launchers being hid in schools....wiki, cnn, fox?

[IncorrectPolitics 26]

"...and they all lived happily together...THE END". I must have been in a comatose state the last three plus decades.

Let's see just how well all the happy merry peoples of Lebanon have been getting along with each other these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_conflict_in_Lebanon

2008 conflict in Lebanon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%932008_Lebanese_political_protests

2006–2008 Lebanese political protests

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005-2007_Lebanon_bombings

Lebanon bombings and assassinations (2004–present)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Revolution

Cedar Revolution

There are two christian sides....they don't get along with each other. There are Druze, Shia, Sunni.....they don't get along either. Maybe if Siniora, Gaga, and Jumblatt would quit lining their pockets with the resources of the Lebanese people, raising taxes to unreasonable rates, cutting electricity in the neighborhoods that oppose them, blocking supplies from making it to supermarkets and bakeries, and quit being pawns to everyone else and instead put the interest of the Lebanese people ahead of their own....(oh and if Jumblatt would get off of the drugs that would be great too) things would calm down. There are two sides to every story but you will always see one side so it is a lost cause to even try to explain to you.

Maybe if the amount of Muslim's visually and vocally denouncing these Islamic extremest were near the same number of Muslim's taking to the streets celebrating 9/11 or even equaling the numbers of Muslim's going nuts in the streets and attacking Danish embassy's (after a cartoon) the world might have a different view of Islam.

And no it has nothing to do with the press. Al Jazeera is read by many...along with Reuters, BBC, etc.... Not much is hidden in this day and age seeing how it's the age of the cell phone w/camera and internet access.

I was in Lebanon in a Muslim neighborhood during the attacks....there wasn't anyone in the streets.

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"...and they all lived happily together...THE END". I must have been in a comatose state the last three plus decades.

who said they lived happily ever after ? you should read things people post properly before assuming what they are saying. Funny… I was in Jordan (predominantly Muslim)when the cartoons came out, no one took to the streets there either

Im not really interested in debating you seeing as you can’t digest other’s ideas coherently you miss the point every time. No one really cares if you continue basking in your own ignorance, there’s nothing I want to persuade you of, but I can try to educate you on some things.

Perhaps I should start by telling you that you’re not the authority on Middle Eastern Politics here, I think Middle Easterners have more to say on the matter than you ever will or can. Stick to what you understand fully please. And if you’re REALLY interested in why the Middle East is such an unstable region right now, you’re gona have to brush up your history a little (don’t worry you don’t have to go too far back- though that would of course seriously help you get a whole picture. But if you can’t be arsed, how about starting at 1945.

If you want to SPECIFICALLY learn about Israel and the Palestinians (and how that was/is the root cause of the region’s current troubles) which also I feel you need a lot of help with- then check out a book by author Ilan Pappe, an Israeli historian and professor of Middle eastern history and ME modern politics. The book is called ‘The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine’. …. Hey I didn’t say it, an Israeli historian did. And he deserves respect for facing the ugly facts behind his own nation’s presence in the region. Of course the book was banned in Israel and the United States for many years, and he was issued warnings by the Israeli government for pursuing its publishing. But you can’t silence truth forever, I’m sorry ‘Why_me’.

[IncorrectPolitics 26]

Perhaps I should start by telling you that you’re not the authority on Middle Eastern Politics here, I think Middle Easterners have more to say on the matter than you ever will or can. Stick to what you understand fully please. And if you’re REALLY interested in why the Middle East is such an unstable region right now, you’re gona have to brush up your history a little (don’t worry you don’t have to go too far back- though that would of course seriously help you get a whole picture. But if you can’t be arsed, how about starting at 1945.

If you want to SPECIFICALLY learn about Israel and the Palestinians (and how that was/is the root cause of the region’s current troubles) which also I feel you need a lot of help with- then check out a book by author Ilan Pappe, an Israeli historian and professor of Middle eastern history and ME modern politics. The book is called ‘The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine’. …. Hey I didn’t say it, an Israeli historian did. And he deserves respect for facing the ugly facts behind his own nation’s presence in the region. Of course the book was banned in Israel and the United States for many years, and he was issued warnings by the Israeli government for pursuing its publishing. But you can’t silence truth forever, I’m sorry ‘Why_me’.

He probably knows an Israeli that claims to be an expert on Middle Eastern politics and the situation there even though most Israelis are not even really Middle eastern now are they....most of them come from eastern Europe and Russia.

Edited September 18, 2010 by IncorrectPolitics

[evli1966 88]

Why do you think that would be effective? Because extremists care what we say? Because so many many non-Muslims have noticed over the years when individuals and organizations have spoken out? You are aware that don'tn't all know each other or all belong to the same organizations, or even agree on everything, right?

Where would you like for us to go to get the attention speaking out hasn't gotten so far? Where are you waiting for us to be? I'm not even sure if you know who "we" are and if you would know who we are if you saw us. Up til now, your track record of finding us has sucked. You have some responsibility to notice that remains unfulfilled.

Why would you care is extremists cared...they are not of the islamic faith. BY standing out and shouting HEY those Dumbaz$es are not of our faith would show a face of the ISlamic faith that is against the terrorist and prevent the non believeing muslim terrorist bound for Hell to have no afe haven in this world with Islamic ties.

This is an interesting story. A day or so after 9/11, a denunciation, a fatwa, was issued by a famous Muslim group often in the news. The irony of their denunciation of the violence on that day and their repudiation of Al Qaeda and Bin Laden is staggering and definitely newsworthy, but I'll bet few who demand denunciations even saw it.

The Muslim group that was hating on Al Qaeda.is Hezbullah, another terrorist group.

Did you know that?

Because that is like a pot calling a kettle black. Hezbullah is a known terroist organization and even if it does not directly act these days it still has ties to extremist organizations.

Not every country sees Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. While they did start out as a terrorist organization much like the the people (did you know George Washington was considered a "terrorist") and groups who formed America were considered "terrorists". Hezbollah is now part of the Lebanese government unlike Al Qaeda who doesn't have a country. In my opinion Hezbollah is very necessary unless you want all of south Lebanon to become part of Israel....yeah I am sure most of you would love that but it won't happen. Yeah and guess what people....tons of CHRISTIANS in Lebanon support Hezbollah. Anyone who opposes or stands up to Israel is suddenly labeled as terrorist....it's ridiculous. Of course most people on here only listen to Fox and CNN so no matter what you tell them Soffiya they will never see the full picture. Ok sheeple you should have a field day with this

You ignornace is alarming especially for someone who states they are knowledgable in this area. Or is it just your way of trying to say hey you did it too.

BTW there is a difference between acts of terror and guerilla warfare as was fought in the Revolutionary War but believe what you want but I would say your education in history and politics wasn't your strong suit.

US considers Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation.

They do.

But for what reason if they are no longer directly acting in a terroist fashon?

Show proof and facts.

And if the U.S. tells you the sky is falling that is so?

Keep your head in the sand

Bravo +1

for what?

A), Moderate Muslim leaders do speak out, plenty. Yet all we hear is how they never do. Asked, answered, and ignored. B) How bizarre is it to expect people who are sitting around mending socks and eating dinner and living their lives to be responsible for denouncing the crazies that share a tenuous thread with their own religion or culture or whatever?

That's almost like demanding that white people get the phone tree cracking every time some angry pale nitwit goes all Columbine. The conflation of terrorists with average Muslims is a problem in the mind of the intellectually lazy propaganda-consumer; it is not the responsibility of every person of Muslim faith.

But if it is, we smug Americans should all get moving on some pretty late homework. Also the Christians and the straights and every other group with Bad Example Members. See how easy it is to say, "Oh please; those freaks are freaks. Nothing to do with me." Why are Muslims held to a different standard? Why are they, every one, responsible for educating the rest of us? They aren't. Everybody is responsible for his or her own ignorance or illumination.

If they speak out pleant then why isn't the net blasted with denounciations of terroists or radical clerics declaring fatwas in the name of Islam.

If the Media doesn't pick it up the net should be blasted with it.

But it is not.

Actually it is your responsibility to protect your faith if they are carrying acts of terror out in the nam eof Islam they are attacking Islam if it is not folowing the faith. But you probably do not really care about it.

Actually we do lets use the dumb so called Pastor who wanted or wants to burn the Koran it wasn't only Muslims or Muslim supporters speaking it was almost everyone including Christians.

What is this fresh hell of text block? Please use your words. And try to remember the original point you were ostensibly making. Hint: it regarded flag-burning mobs.

Sweet god of parlor tricks. Focus dude.

Your posts are so off mark that I couldn't even believe you would post this.

Edited September 18, 2010 by evli1966

[evli1966 88]

Seeing how Hezbollah attacked in 2006 without justification, murdering ten Israeli soldiers, and kidnapping three more...yes I would have to say Hezbollah is nothing more than a bunch of gutless terrorist ######

Of course let's not forget how Hezbollah hid rocket launchers inside of schools therefore endangering women and children.

In the mean time Hezbollah managed to get Lebanon bombed to pieces.

But they are all about peace and protecting themselves not Children attending school

Maybe the soldiers shouldn't have crossed onto the Lebanese side of the border. Also why are the Israelis allowed an unlimited supply of weapons but anytime Lebanon has weapons it is "illegal"? What about all of the years Israel occupied southern Lebanon, you couldn't imagine the crimes they committed against ordinary people during that time....of course that will never be reported. Who told you about the rocket launchers being hid in schools....wiki, cnn, fox?

So you condone the killings.

I have not seen anyone condone the actions of the Isrealis when they do this.

Oh By the way are you speaking about after PLO build up and attacks on Isreal?

If so It is funny how you failed to mentioned how bad the PLO was for the Lebanese people.

Maybe becasue arming countries ran by or with ties to known terrorist organizations is not a good Idea

"...and they all lived happily together...THE END". I must have been in a comatose state the last three plus decades.

who said they lived happily ever after ? you should read things people post properly before assuming what they are saying. Funny… I was in Jordan (predominantly Muslim)when the cartoons came out, no one took to the streets there either

Im not really interested in debating you seeing as you can't digest other's ideas coherently you miss the point every time. No one really cares if you continue basking in your own ignorance, there's nothing I want to persuade you of, but I can try to educate you on some things.

Perhaps I should start by telling you that you're not the authority on Middle Eastern Politics here, I think Middle Easterners have more to say on the matter than you ever will or can. Stick to what you understand fully please. And if you're REALLY interested in why the Middle East is such an unstable region right now, you're gona have to brush up your history a little (don't worry you don't have to go too far back- though that would of course seriously help you get a whole picture. But if you can't be arsed, how about starting at 1945.

If you want to SPECIFICALLY learn about Israel and the Palestinians (and how that was/is the root cause of the region's current troubles) which also I feel you need a lot of help with- then check out a book by author Ilan Pappe, an Israeli historian and professor of Middle eastern history and ME modern politics. The book is called 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine'. …. Hey I didn't say it, an Israeli historian did. And he deserves respect for facing the ugly facts behind his own nation's presence in the region. Of course the book was banned in Israel and the United States for many years, and he was issued warnings by the Israeli government for pursuing its publishing. But you can't silence truth forever, I'm sorry 'Why_me'.

Most people come here and state they know more about this and that because they lived there or been there. You know what those are same peopel not doing anything about the problems and blaming everyone else for the problems in their religeon or country of origin.

No discoutning what Isreal may or may not have done during the early years of the country's existence and what they do now.

He probably knows an Israeli that claims to be an expert on Middle Eastern politics and the situation there even though most Israelis are not even really Middle eastern now are they....most of them come from eastern Europe and Russia.

But are you really saying that and eucated Isrealy would not understand ME politics because they have only been there since 1948 or so?

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Im not really interested in debating you...

You should have started and stopped right there. When someone cannot refute facts, they resort to a post like yours. So what you saying is that you are cooked and you have nothing to come back with in reference to a debate.

You lose.

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But they are all about peace and protecting themselves not Children attending school

So you condone the killings.

I have not seen anyone condone the actions of the Isrealis when they do this.

Oh By the way are you speaking about after PLO build up and attacks on Isreal?

If so It is funny how you failed to mentioned how bad the PLO was for the Lebanese people.

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Maybe becasue arming countries ran by or with ties to known terrorist organizations is not a good Idea

Most people come here and state they know more about this and that because they lived there or been there. You know what those are same peopel not doing anything about the problems and blaming everyone else for the problems in their religeon or country of origin.

No discoutning what Isreal may or may not have done during the early years of the country's existence and what they do now.

But are you really saying that and eucated Isrealy would not understand ME politics because they have only been there since 1948 or so?

I don't condone any killings...but you shouldn't be surprised that when troops cross over into the territory of another that considers them the enemy (the same troops that had occupied the area years earlier) they are held prisoner or even killed....what is so surprising about that? As for the Israelis not understanding ME politics I don't believe they have an accurate grasp on things or they are in denial. Also we are not blaming others for what happens in the region, but we simply want them to keep their noses out of our affairs. As for the PLO I never said anything about them....did I say they were good for the Lebanese people or even say one word about them....no I think not.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Maybe the soldiers shouldn't have crossed onto the Lebanese side of the border. Also why are the Israelis allowed an unlimited supply of weapons but anytime Lebanon has weapons it is "illegal"? What about all of the years Israel occupied southern Lebanon, you couldn't imagine the crimes they committed against ordinary people during that time....of course that will never be reported. Who told you about the rocket launchers being hid in schools....wiki, cnn, fox?

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11778707&Itemid=0

The truth began to emerge after a ceasefire was reached in mid-August. Upon completing an investigative mission to Lebanon, U.K. Foreign Office Minister Kim Howell told a parliamentary committee that Hezbollah had extensively hidden caches of arms and rockets in schools, mosques, apartment blocks and homes.

“What I saw out there begs many questions about the way we try to define what constitutes a war crime,” Howell said. “Every time the Israelis responded [to a missile attack] and smashed a building down, every picture of a burnt child and every picture of a building that had housed people [where] there was now pancake on the ground was propaganda for Hezbollah.”

The report and its accompanying photos and videos show Hezbollah rocket launchers hidden in Lebanese villages, alongside schools, mosques and hospitals; also rockets being launched from near U.N. outposts.

One Hezbollah detainee acknowledges on videotape that he transported missiles while carrying a white flag – used when Lebanese non-combatants wanted to signal Israelis that they were attempting to flee the battlefield. Other Hezbollah prisoners talked openly of using private homes both to store weapons and launch missiles.

Asked by The New York Times whether the Israeli report implies that Hezbollah should be seen as responsible for the deaths of Lebanese civilians, Elias Hanna, a retired Lebanese Army general, replied: “Of course Hezbollah is responsible. But these people are ready to sacrifice their lives for Hezbollah.”

That raises two questions that apparently did not occur to the Times: 1) If a Lebanese civilian was not ready to sacrifice his life for Hezbollah, how would he safely communicate that to Hezbollah leaders? And 2) if a civilian voluntarily turns his home over to Hezbollah to be used for rocket launches, does his home not become a military target – even if he and his family remain in it?

Hezbollah last summer fired more than 4,000 rockets into northern Israel. Most were aimed at such predominately civilian areas as Haifa, a city where Jews, Muslims and Christians have long co-existed peacefully.

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http://www.defenddemocracy.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11778707&Itemid=0

The truth began to emerge after a ceasefire was reached in mid-August. Upon completing an investigative mission to Lebanon, U.K. Foreign Office Minister Kim Howell told a parliamentary committee that Hezbollah had extensively hidden caches of arms and rockets in schools, mosques, apartment blocks and homes.

“What I saw out there begs many questions about the way we try to define what constitutes a war crime,” Howell said. “Every time the Israelis responded [to a missile attack] and smashed a building down, every picture of a burnt child and every picture of a building that had housed people [where] there was now pancake on the ground was propaganda for Hezbollah.”

The report and its accompanying photos and videos show Hezbollah rocket launchers hidden in Lebanese villages, alongside schools, mosques and hospitals; also rockets being launched from near U.N. outposts.

One Hezbollah detainee acknowledges on videotape that he transported missiles while carrying a white flag – used when Lebanese non-combatants wanted to signal Israelis that they were attempting to flee the battlefield. Other Hezbollah prisoners talked openly of using private homes both to store weapons and launch missiles.

Asked by The New York Times whether the Israeli report implies that Hezbollah should be seen as responsible for the deaths of Lebanese civilians, Elias Hanna, a retired Lebanese Army general, replied: “Of course Hezbollah is responsible. But these people are ready to sacrifice their lives for Hezbollah.”

That raises two questions that apparently did not occur to the Times: 1) If a Lebanese civilian was not ready to sacrifice his life for Hezbollah, how would he safely communicate that to Hezbollah leaders? And 2) if a civilian voluntarily turns his home over to Hezbollah to be used for rocket launches, does his home not become a military target – even if he and his family remain in it?

Hezbollah last summer fired more than 4,000 rockets into northern Israel. Most were aimed at such predominately civilian areas as Haifa, a city where Jews, Muslims and Christians have long co-existed peacefully.

Israel targeted civilian areas and that doesn't mean that Hezbollah was hiding weapons there. I was there in the middle of the bombing and I know the areas that were bombed, they were apartment complexes, hospitals, schools, supermarkets, and you name it....but they were not weapon caches. Keep believing everything you read without you seeing it, being there, or even knowing the area.