The eternal flame of Muslim outrage

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Most of you insist that you do "get it", but your posts continually prove that you do not.

So your saying that if new cartoon of Muhammad with a bomb on his head was published in a Western newspaper that Muslim's wouldn't go nuts like they did last time it happened ? Are you saying that the price put on Salman Rushdie's head is a hoax ? Are you saying the death threats made against Geert Wilders after the film "Fitna" came out is nothing but a hoax ? It's easy to go on and on and on....but my fingers are starting to cramp up.

[Jenn! 918]

So your saying that if new cartoon of Muhammad with a bomb on his head was published in a Western newspaper that Muslim's wouldn't go nuts like they did last time it happened ? Are you saying that the price put on Salman Rushdie's head is a hoax ? Are you saying the death threats made against Geert Wilders after the film "Fitna" came out is nothing but a hoax ? It's easy to go on and on and on....but my fingers are starting to cramp up.

You're so outraged that you can't even follow the discussion.

redy 4 One said: "Most of us get Islam and those who practice Islam do so in a widely diverse manner."

I said:

"Most of you insist that you do "get it", but your posts continually prove that you do not."

Now can you please explain how the above tirade relates?

ETA: I'll go ahead and respond to your questions, even though I have no idea how you interpreted them from my post.

So your saying that if new cartoon of Muhammad with a bomb on his head was published in a Western newspaper that Muslim's wouldn't go nuts like they did last time it happened ?

No, I'm not saying that. I'm sure many Muslims would be outraged. I don't understand it nor do I agree with it. Many Muslims, and the ones that I know, would not "go nuts" over it.

Are you saying that the price put on Salman Rushdie's head is a hoax ?

No, I'm not saying that.

Are you saying the death threats made against Geert Wilders after the film "Fitna" came out is nothing but a hoax ?

No, I'm not saying that.

I think you get the picture.

Now let me ask a question of my own...Do I think that some Muslims behave badly (to put it midly)? Yes.

So now what do we conclude from that? That the religion promotes their behavior? That seems to be the popular position around here, but it's not my experience.

It truly saddens me that the religion of my son is denigrated by you and others the way that it is. It truly upsets me that ignorant people will make assumptions that he is a violent and angry person because his father was born a Moroccan Muslim. I blame terrorists, I blame the media, and I blame you.

Edited September 14, 2010 by Jenn!

[cedwards001 18]

Sofiyya,

So you still refusing to admit ANYTHING wrong with Islam? I guess we can all accept the Christian criticizing oh they are pedophiles this and pedophiles that. Obviously from you it appears that Islam is above all the criticism. I guess the REAL ignorance has just shown itself.....

Jen,

I blame terrorists, I blame the media, and I blame you

Don't blame him. Blame the attackers who made this about religion when they scream "God is Great"

Like I said before, when they attack with religions intent, expect the criticism to be with religious intent

Edited September 14, 2010 by cedwards001

[DEDixon 39]

If you are not part of the solution, note yourself as part of the problem.

It amazes me that men claiming such noble education and intelligence stammer like boxed brained self righteous arrogant people. I find it hard to respect the opinion of those with such limited views and awareness.

I find many of these comments come from limited minds. Wake up people! Look out side of your box! As I see it you are a part of the problem, not part of any solution.....

"We MUST be the change we wish to see in the world."~Ghandi

consider the views expressed here by at least average intelligence and then imagine what the views are out on the street.

islam has an image problem and it isn't a problem non-muslims feel they need to fix.

point blame in any direction other than inward seems the tired old tactic of muslims. keep blaming though, that's going to change everything.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So your saying that if new cartoon of Muhammad with a bomb on his head was published in a Western newspaper that Muslim's wouldn't go nuts like they did last time it happened ? Are you saying that the price put on Salman Rushdie's head is a hoax ? Are you saying the death threats made against Geert Wilders after the film "Fitna" came out is nothing but a hoax ? It's easy to go on and on and on....but my fingers are starting to cramp up.

Let's pretend that you guys can be fair and drop your self-serving double standard for a moment. Recent events have proven that non-Muslims can get their panties in a bunch, protest in the streets, hold up nasty signs, make and appreciate bigoted, racist and xenophobic statements, and embrace unsavory characters.

The imam, his wife, the developers and star of Park51 have been harassed, received death threats, been dissected for any statement, association, past activities and financial involvements they've had. They've been vilified by prominent public figures from Newt Gingrich to Dinald Trump, both of whom have scuzzy pasts and associations.

Mosques are being vandalized and rejected in communities convinced that Muslim places of worship are really terrorist training camps. It's difficult to listen to talk radio or watch the news without being told how bad Muslims and Islam are at some point,

This is the discourse around a world wide faith in the west today. There is little intellect involved, in fact, people give a pass to emotion, bigotry and ignorance due to laziness and lack of time. I see nothing to be proud of in those examples. Do you?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Sofiyya,

So you still refusing to admit ANYTHING wrong with Islam? I guess we can all accept the Christian criticizing oh they are pedophiles this and pedophiles that. Obviously from you it appears that Islam is above all the criticism. I guess the REAL ignorance has just shown itself.....

Jen,

I blame terrorists, I blame the media, and I blame you

Don't blame him. Blame the attackers who made this about religion when they scream "God is Great"

Like I said before, when they attack with religions intent, expect the criticism to be with religious intent

If you knew anything about Islam, you'd know you made an ignorant statement. I'm not in denial, but maybe I'm debating with the wrong people.

[Jenn! 918]

Sofiyya,

So you still refusing to admit ANYTHING wrong with Islam? I guess we can all accept the Christian criticizing oh they are pedophiles this and pedophiles that. Obviously from you it appears that Islam is above all the criticism. I guess the REAL ignorance has just shown itself.....

Jen,

I blame terrorists, I blame the media, and I blame you

Don't blame him. Blame the attackers who made this about religion when they scream "God is Great"

Like I said before, when they attack with religions intent, expect the criticism to be with religious intent

So I should just accept that, "oh well, a good portion of Americans are going to hate my son because of 9/11. it's not their fault they're not able to distinguish between terrorists and other muslims."? How ludicrous - I will not. My son has nothing in common with those pieces of sh!t and I would hope that you would be able to see why any implication otherwise would be upsetting to me.

Of course most Muslims will deny that the problem is with Islam, because from their perspective it definitely is not. If they thought their religion was promoting terrorism and the slaughter of infidels, wouldn't all Muslims be terrorists? And there wouldn't be any of the rest of us left.

Edited September 14, 2010 by Jenn!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not so much this post which is mere obfuscation, but the post above, starts out very strong and compelling. Then it degenerates into a knee jerk defense of the indefensible with another tired attempt to protect "the faith."

Most of us get Islam and those who practice Islam do so in a widely diverse manner. Many of your posts are incredible defenses of your positions even when I find I largely disagree when you avoid this particular tactic of pretending all critics are idiots who know nothing and only comment in extreme ignorance.

Mad I don't know what to tell you, I am well aware that the background of this author is my polar opposite politically. The OP is sound as far as it goes. You can't dispute the facts so you attack the source and attempt repetitive shaming to overcome whatever it is that ails you should anyone dare to agree with her. That is truly disgusting.

No it isn't. I've not disputed the events Malkins article describes (because it involves doing more work than i really care to). Once again the article presents those events in a manner that is deliberately vague, because the impression you are supposed to take from the article is that Muslims everywhere are like that. It doesn't leave room for the reality that very many Muslims do not subscribe to, or endorse terrorism or fundamentalist extremism.

Once again, this is a site has a diverse membership of peoples all over the world. To me - posting and endorsing articles like this one imo disparages and marginalises a lot of people here. It is against the TOS and shouldn't be allowed.

As I said, if you are not prejudiced against Muslims and you have a genuine interest in the subject of terrorism from alleged Muslims, why are you not looking for scholarly articles rather than thinly veiled propaganda. Malkins article IS propaganda BTW and like all good propaganda it uses selected truths to advance a nationalist agenda.

[SMR 368]

Let's pretend that you guys can be fair and drop your self-serving double standard for a moment. Recent events have proven that non-Muslims can get their panties in a bunch, protest in the streets, hold up nasty signs, make and appreciate bigoted, racist and xenophobic statements, and embrace unsavory characters.

The imam, his wife, the developers and star of Park51 have been harassed, received death threats, been dissected for any statement, association, past activities and financial involvements they've had. They've been vilified by prominent public figures from Newt Gingrich to Dinald Trump, both of whom have scuzzy pasts and associations.

Mosques are being vandalized and rejected in communities convinced that Muslim places of worship are really terrorist training camps. It's difficult to listen to talk radio or watch the news without being told how bad Muslims and Islam are at some point,

This is the discourse around a world wide faith in the west today. There is little intellect involved, in fact, people give a pass to emotion, bigotry and ignorance due to laziness and lack of time. I see nothing to be proud of in those examples. Do you?

How many innocent bystanders have non-Muslims intentionally killed? How many children have they strapped bombs to and sent into crowded markets? How many planes have they hijacked and crashed? Do non-Muslims do bad things? Of course. But it doesn't take much research to realize that Muslim violent extremism is on a whole other level.

And as I said before, it's not the violent extremes that bring damning evidence against Islam. It's the utter lack of modern, free, human-rights friendly, economically productive Islamic countries. When every single Islamic country is oppressive, abusive, repressed, and underdeveloped it's a pattern. And Islam is the common denominator.

[SMR 368]

No it isn't. I've not disputed the events Malkins article describes (because it involves doing more work than i really care to). Once again the article presents those events in a manner that is deliberately vague, because the impression you are supposed to take from the article is that Muslims everywhere are like that. It doesn't leave room for the reality that very many Muslims do not subscribe to, or endorse terrorism or fundamentalist extremism.

Once again, this is a site has a diverse membership of peoples all over the world. To me - posting and endorsing articles like this one imo disparages and marginalises a lot of people here. It is against the TOS and shouldn't be allowed.

As I said, if you are not prejudiced against Muslims and you have a genuine interest in the subject of terrorism from alleged Muslims, why are you not looking for scholarly articles rather than thinly veiled propaganda. Malkins article IS propaganda BTW and like all good propaganda it uses selected truths to advance a nationalist agenda.

Repeating over and over again that it's propoganda and poorly written and blah, blah, blah doesn't make it not true. You have still presented 0 evidence that this is the case yet you continue to repeat it over and over again hoping that someone will start to believe you.

I'm not the judge of the TOS, but in my opinion a good foundation is the legal basis for libel and slander. It's not illegal unless it isn't true. Although you keep repeating that it's not true and others continue to try to deflect the argument by smearing other religions, no evidence or argument has been made to discredit Malkin's facts. Until such evidence is presented, and after 11 pages I'm skeptical it will be, I think there's little basis for trying to silence the discussions you don't like based on the TOS.

[IncorrectPolitics 26]

Isn't Michelle Malkin the stupid skank calling for Muslims to be put in concentration camps? How can an article from such a person even be credible or worth reading?

[Bibi and Beebti 4]

You people are a pain in the butt but like most Americans why would we expect us to know more than what Fox news and the likes feed us. You have been misinformed about Islam in every possible way: its beginnings, it's teachings, it's growth, its demographics, it's geography! think about what you knew about Islam BEFORE 9/11, how much was it a 'real' part of your life back then? did you think about that? think back as far as your childhood? When did Islam become such a THREAT to you and your family? when did you start to develop this 'knowledge' that you have of Islam, and who reported this knowledge to you?

you banter back and forth with clearly intelligent 'ordinary' Muslims on this very thread, and yet you have the arrogance to argue with them that their religion is what incites violence. Even though you can see they themselves are very much like you, no different, except their faith is elsewhere. don't you think that's pathetic ? don't you think that in itself refutes your arguments that 'Islam incites its believers to violence'? it would be pathetic if we kept this argument going saying every single one of you is as ignorant as that pastor, even though we can see you're not!!

We can all give examples of violent mobs of EVERY faith and every ethnic group(as in this very thread) but you'll continue to focus on Islam and Muslims (because it's whats been hammered into your head the last 10 years). And why is it only what you call 'faith-inspired' violence that we should investigate, is ethnically inspired violence not equally ridiculous and worthy of examining?? there are Muslims of every ETHNICITY on the planet, yet most murders and genocides in the History of our world have been fuelled and continue to be fuelled by 'ethnic superiority' and not 'religious superiority'. Our great country is the best example of this, let's not act all civilized now and call others barbaric. It was only yesterday that black people could vote, you people forget that THAT 'history' was really just around the corner.

all we're saying is you've been fed the same story over and over that it's been planted so deeply in your mind that Islam itself and any of it's followers are a threat to you, that no matter what happens or doesn't happen, you're just going to keep regurgitating the same bullshit. Wake up people, go travel around the world, meet some real Muslims, go into their homes, eat their food and THEN come to a conclusion YOURSELF about what Islam and its believers are about. If Muslims who have been among you for a lifetime have been nothing but your best neighbours, you'd still see a problem with 'Islam' if you continue to sit on your sofa for 'facts'!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Repeating over and over again that it's propoganda and poorly written and blah, blah, blah doesn't make it not true. You have still presented 0 evidence that this is the case yet you continue to repeat it over and over again hoping that someone will start to believe you.

I'm not the judge of the TOS, but in my opinion a good foundation is the legal basis for libel and slander. It's not illegal unless it isn't true. Although you keep repeating that it's not true and others continue to try to deflect the argument by smearing other religions, no evidence or argument has been made to discredit Malkin's facts. Until such evidence is presented, and after 11 pages I'm skeptical it will be, I think there's little basis for trying to silence the discussions you don't like based on the TOS.

Yes I have. I've explained exactly how that article is propaganda. Furthermore I already told you that I wasn't disputing the events the author is referencing, rather that the commentary that is stringing them together is advancing an obviously odious agenda. If you want to give credence and legitimacy to propaganda, thats on you.

You seem to think that the facts justify the commentary when the issues are bigger, broader, deeper, older and more complex than can be shoehorned into a two page article. You buy the premise. I don't.

If you choose to ignore what I write in order to do that, that is also on you.

Edited September 14, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[Sofiyya 1,687]

There are no Islamic countries. Not all Muslim countries are as you describe. Islam has nothing to do with your biased views. If you guys sounded like you knew what you're talking about instead of parroting stereotypes, you could be taken more seriously.

How many innocent bystanders have non-Muslims intentionally killed? How many children have they strapped bombs to and sent into crowded markets? How many planes have they hijacked and crashed? Do non-Muslims do bad things? Of course. But it doesn't take much research to realize that Muslim violent extremism is on a whole other level.

And as I said before, it's not the violent extremes that bring damning evidence against Islam. It's the utter lack of modern, free, human-rights friendly, economically productive Islamic countries. When every single Islamic country is oppressive, abusive, repressed, and underdeveloped it's a pattern. And Islam is the common denominator.

[웃 910]

How many innocent bystanders have non-Muslims intentionally killed? How many children have they strapped bombs to and sent into crowded markets? How many planes have they hijacked and crashed? Do non-Muslims do bad things? Of course. But it doesn't take much research to realize that Muslim violent extremism is on a whole other level.

Allah works in mysterious ways