20 arrested at Saudi gay wedding

[almaty 19]

gay relationship...live and let live....if the saudis want to impose cruel and inhumane punishment and base it on the Qu'ram..they are chopf##ks..much worse than those they preach hatered towards....inshaállah...brother dean

Edited August 20, 2006 by almaty

[Veiled Princess 1]

well, of course, unless they're female.

Where did you get this statement from that quote?

gay relationship...live and let live....if the saudis want to impose cruel and inhumane punishment and base it on the Qu'ram..they are chopf##ks..much worse than those they preach hatered towards....inshaállah...brother dean

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

Edited August 20, 2006 by Veiled Princess

[almaty 19]

well, of course, unless they're female.

Where did you get this statement from that quote?

gay relationship...live and let live....if the saudis want to impose cruel and inhumane punishment and base it on the Qu'ram..they are chopf##ks..much worse than those they preach hatered towards....inshaállah...brother dean

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

i never stated that miss saudi 2006...i stated that they are basing it on their ultra conservative view-point and using the Qu'ram as the basics..you need further education on islam...and how governments use it to control the masses

[I'm Gone 60]

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

Exactly, plus if you are gay it doesn't mean you have to openly show it. Just wondering, do they come down as hard on gay women?

[Veiled Princess 1]

well, of course, unless they're female.

Where did you get this statement from that quote?

gay relationship...live and let live....if the saudis want to impose cruel and inhumane punishment and base it on the Qu'ram..they are chopf##ks..much worse than those they preach hatered towards....inshaállah...brother dean

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

i never stated that miss saudi 2006...i stated that they are basing it on their ultra conservative view-point and using the Qu'ram as the basics..you need further education on islam...and how governments use it to control the masses

It's QuraN not QuraM القران

They are basing it on their understanding of the ahadeeth that state that such punishment should be carried out, not necessarily the Quran. Although if you read the Quran you would know that it is a huge crime and one which Allah punished Lut's people because of.

Whether they are right or wrong is not my point. My point is that is the law in Saudi and the punishment is well known soooooooo if they don't like the law or the punishment they should maybe go somewhere else to practice this abomination.

Edited August 20, 2006 by Veiled Princess

[I'm Gone 60]

If they were smart they would march them all down to the U.S. embassy and have them all file for asylum. Put the U.S. on the spot for accepting a bunch of gays. LOL

Edited August 20, 2006 by mdyoung

[Veiled Princess 1]

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

Exactly, plus if you are gay it doesn't mean you have to openly show it. Just wondering, do they come down as hard on gay women?

Gay is gay, I don't think it matters in the kingdom of saudi whether the offender is male or female. Though it would be kind of hard for women to sodomize each other

I like how the OP also cut out the part about them being in possession of illegal drugs as well

Put the U.S. on the spot for accepting a bunch of gays. LOL

They would do so gladly with open butts... er um.... arms

[Karen_L 1]

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

I'm sorry, but I have GOT to ask: Why do you ALWAYS side with whatever Arab governments do, no matter how cruel and unnecessary and HORRIBLE and violent their behavior is? You know, I 'get' that you're a very religious Muslim, and that's cool, but for goodness' sake these governments do NOT represent God or Islam and they are not manifestations of God's will on Earth either. They're just regimes that wish to use religion and cultural tradition as a means of control which are run by human beings, not God. And no, I am NOT saying that the US government is perfect, not by any means, but your rush to defend these governments and all that they do all of the time is very, very, very strange. I mean... how can you side with the death penalty for this "offense" and say "well, if they don't like it..." as though Saudi law in this regard is completely reasonable? As though two men having sex with each other is akin to mass murder or that it hurts anyone at all, for that matter. Right.

Isn't there any part of you that sees how ridiculous killing someone for having sex with someone else is? Don't you also realize how all this control does NOT make society any better or more religious -- it just makes people better at hiding their "deviant" behavior and practice fake piety to keep themselves safe. Not having gay sex out of fear of death won't make anyone who's gay any less gay -- the person will just find a secret way to have gay sex and gay relationships, as evidenced by the fact that this wedding was happening at all lol.

But then... if they don't like Saudi laws and punishments, they should just leave, shouldn't they? Yes, because it's that easy. Unless.... a person happens to be female... in which case, they need permission from male family members to do so, don't they, and if they don't have that permission... I guess they're stuck where they are, aren't they?

I don't have any problem with you or anything, but I just really can't understand how you can honestly support and defend EVERYTHING that these governments do all the time, always, no matter what. Doesn't any part of a government wishing to behead someone for having consensual sex with another adult kind of rub you the wrong way? A little bit? At all?

[Mirorgate 0]

It's QuraN not QuraM القران

cause M is not anywhere close on the keyboard to N..... what was Dean thinking? I mean mistype? bah.. I Bet he's even a fake muslim and TOTALLY misreads, misquotes, and misinterprets it too

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

I'm sorry, but I have GOT to ask: Why do you ALWAYS side with whatever Arab governments do, no matter how cruel and unnecessary and HORRIBLE and violent their behavior is? You know, I 'get' that you're a very religious Muslim, and that's cool, but for goodness' sake these governments do NOT represent God or Islam and they are not manifestations of God's will on Earth either. They're just regimes that wish to use religion and cultural tradition as a means of control which are run by human beings, not God. And no, I am NOT saying that the US government is perfect, not by any means, but your rush to defend these governments and all that they do all of the time is very, very, very strange. I mean... how can you side with the death penalty for this "offense" and say "well, if they don't like it..." as though Saudi law in this regard is completely reasonable? As though two men having sex with each other is akin to mass murder or that it hurts anyone at all, for that matter. Right.

Isn't there any part of you that sees how ridiculous killing someone for having sex with someone else is? Don't you also realize how all this control does NOT make society any better or more religious -- it just makes people better at hiding their "deviant" behavior and practice fake piety to keep themselves safe. Not having gay sex out of fear of death won't make anyone who's gay any less gay -- the person will just find a secret way to have gay sex and gay relationships, as evidenced by the fact that this wedding was happening at all lol.

But then... if they don't like Saudi laws and punishments, they should just leave, shouldn't they? Yes, because it's that easy. Unless.... a person happens to be female... in which case, they need permission from male family members to do so, don't they, and if they don't have that permission... I guess they're stuck where they are, aren't they?

I don't have any problem with you or anything, but I just really can't understand how you can honestly support and defend EVERYTHING that these governments do all the time, always, no matter what. Doesn't any part of a government wishing to behead someone for having consensual sex with another adult kind of rub you the wrong way? A little bit? At all?

give it up... you're messing with her Shangri La.

Edited August 21, 2006 by Mirorgate

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

Exactly, plus if you are gay it doesn't mean you have to openly show it. Just wondering, do they come down as hard on gay women?

Gay is gay, I don't think it matters in the kingdom of saudi whether the offender is male or female. Though it would be kind of hard for women to sodomize each other

There are plenty of tools readily available to facilitate this. Probably not in Saudi Arabia, though.

[Donna A 4]

my husband lived in saudi arabia for 10 years. he said they would have killed them on the spot if this were true and not arrested them. secondly, no one would have gone to a gay marriege anyway.

[Fandango 1,439]

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

I'm sorry, but I have GOT to ask: Why do you ALWAYS side with whatever Arab governments do, no matter how cruel and unnecessary and HORRIBLE and violent their behavior is? You know, I 'get' that you're a very religious Muslim, and that's cool, but for goodness' sake these governments do NOT represent God or Islam and they are not manifestations of God's will on Earth either. They're just regimes that wish to use religion and cultural tradition as a means of control which are run by human beings, not God. And no, I am NOT saying that the US government is perfect, not by any means, but your rush to defend these governments and all that they do all of the time is very, very, very strange. I mean... how can you side with the death penalty for this "offense" and say "well, if they don't like it..." as though Saudi law in this regard is completely reasonable? As though two men having sex with each other is akin to mass murder or that it hurts anyone at all, for that matter. Right.

Isn't there any part of you that sees how ridiculous killing someone for having sex with someone else is? Don't you also realize how all this control does NOT make society any better or more religious -- it just makes people better at hiding their "deviant" behavior and practice fake piety to keep themselves safe. Not having gay sex out of fear of death won't make anyone who's gay any less gay -- the person will just find a secret way to have gay sex and gay relationships, as evidenced by the fact that this wedding was happening at all lol.

But then... if they don't like Saudi laws and punishments, they should just leave, shouldn't they? Yes, because it's that easy. Unless.... a person happens to be female... in which case, they need permission from male family members to do so, don't they, and if they don't have that permission... I guess they're stuck where they are, aren't they?

I don't have any problem with you or anything, but I just really can't understand how you can honestly support and defend EVERYTHING that these governments do all the time, always, no matter what. Doesn't any part of a government wishing to behead someone for having consensual sex with another adult kind of rub you the wrong way? A little bit? At all?

Awesome post, but totally on deaf ears.

You should treat VP like that crazy uncle who comes over for Christmas dinner....totally off his rocker, but amusing in his delusion...and bless his cotton socks, he means well

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

Awesome post, but totally on deaf ears.

You should treat VP like that crazy uncle who comes over for Christmas dinner....totally off his rocker, but amusing in his delusion...and bless his cotton socks, he means well

[I'm Gone 60]

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

I'm sorry, but I have GOT to ask: Why do you ALWAYS side with whatever Arab governments do, no matter how cruel and unnecessary and HORRIBLE and violent their behavior is?

Well I was born in the good old USA and I was raised Catholic and I agree with her. If it's against the law to smoke another guy's pole, you don't go around telling people you are a pole smoker and if you can't abide by that you either leave or suffer the consequences.

[Karen_L 1]

If one doesn't like the laws or punishments in Saudi they are free to leave it

I'm sorry, but I have GOT to ask: Why do you ALWAYS side with whatever Arab governments do, no matter how cruel and unnecessary and HORRIBLE and violent their behavior is?

Well I was born in the good old USA and I was raised Catholic and I agree with her. If it's against the law to smoke another guy's pole, you don't go around telling people you are a pole smoker and if you can't abide by that you either leave or suffer the consequences.

As I said, not everyone living in Saudi Arabia (women) can choose whether or not to leave the country Could these particular gay men have left? Possibly, and they probably should have. But your statement kind of implies that those who wish to leave but legally can't (those who physically won't be permitted exit without the permission of a male guardian) must either live their lives in unhappiness or else... die.

Hmmm... What's the punishment for lesbianism there...?