If muslims are terrorists

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Questions Arise About Priest From Pope's Old Diocese

(March 12) -- The fallout from the growing Catholic sex abuse scandals finally reached as far as the pope Friday when it was revealed that Benedict XVI knew a priest was a pedophile in 1980 but approved a stint in therapy that allowed him to continue in the ministry, where he remains today.

Benedict was an archbishop in Germany when the case began in 1980. The priest was accused of forcing an 11-year-old boy to perform oral sex on him, the German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung reported Friday night.

Benedict approved a decision moving the priest, identified only as "H," to a rectory in Munich where he was to undergo therapy. After about a month, according to a statement issued Friday by the Munich-Freising archdiocese, Monsignor Gerhard Gruber decided to return the priest to a Munich parish.

But by 1985, new allegations surfaced. In 1986, the priest was convicted of sexually abusing other minors after he had been moved to the town of Grafing to do pastoral work. He received a fine, a suspended prison sentence and more therapy before again returning to pastoral work.

Gregorio Borgia, AP

As an archbishop, Benedict XVI approved a stint in therapy for a pedophile priest in his archdiocese. The priest was allowed to return to the ministry and was later convicted of abusing other minors.

In May 2008, "H" was once again removed from his parish work, this time in the town of Garching, according to the diocesan statement. He works in the archdiocese's tourism operations but is not allowed to conduct any work involving children, the statement said.

The pope, then known as Joseph Ratzinger, became archbishop of Munich and Freising in 1977 and was made a cardinal that same year. He remained head of the archdiocese until 1982. He then moved to Rome where he became the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith until he was elected pope in 2005 after the death of John Paul II.

The German archdiocese issued a statement Friday saying Gruber, now 81, takes "full responsibility" for the decision to return "H" to pastoral work. Gruber said in a statement released by the archdiocese that he had not made the future pope aware of his decision because it was the kind of call that was often left to his underlings.

"The cardinal could not deal with everything," Gruber said. "The repeated employment of 'H' in pastoral duties was a serious mistake. I deeply regret that this decision led to offenses against youths. I apologize to all who were harmed."

Neither the Vatican nor Gruber commented on whether or not "H" would continue working in the church at his current post in Garching in Upper Bavaria.

Friday's revelations are just the latest bad news for the Vatican, which has been mired in intensifying sexual abuse scandals in Germany, Austria, Ireland and the Netherlands as well as allegations that the Mexican founder of one of the church's most favored orders sexually molested his illegitimate sons.

The new information about the pope came less than a month after Irish bishops were summoned to the Vatican to discuss decades of clerical sexual abuse in Ireland and on the very same day that a delegation of German bishops met with the pontiff.

The crisis has been growing in Germany, where more than 170 students have alleged they were sexually abused at several Catholic high schools.

On Friday, the head of Germany's Catholic bishops apologized to victims after the meeting with the pope. He said Benedict had said he felt "great dismay" over the scandal.

On Wednesday, the pope's older brother, Georg Ratzinger, was also drawn into the furor. Some of most explosive clerical sex abuse claims in Germany center on a prestigious choir, the Regensburger Domspatzen, that Georg Ratzinger led for 30 years.

Several former singers in the choir have come forward with claims that at least two priests attached to the elementary boarding school allied to the choir sexually abused and brutally mistreated their charges.

Ratzinger denied any knowledge of sexual abuse but admitted he slapped some of the boys in the choir and knew of violence on the part of a headmaster associated with a school attended by choir members.

27 August 2010

It’s not just pedophile priests that the Catholic church protects: also terrorist priests

The British government and the Roman Catholic church colluded to cover up the suspected involvement of a priest in a 1972 bombing that killed nine people and injured 30, a new report said Tuesday.

The Northern Ireland police ombudsman’s report determined that Father James Chesney was the prime suspect in the blast in the village of Claudy, just outside of Londonderry and that the police chose not to pursue him. The Irish Republican Army has been blamed for the attack.

Despite the suspicions of authorities, the church and U.K. officials struck a deal that allowed Chesney to move to a parish in Ireland where British prosecutors lacked the jurisdiction to investigate him.

The deal was struck following a meeting between Cardinal William Conway, the head of the Catholic Church in Ireland at the time, and Britain’s representative in Northern Ireland, William Whitelaw, documents cited by the report said.

Chesney, who died in 1980 after suffering from cancer, had denied involvement in the attack, Conway told Whitelaw, according to the report.

The police at the time believed Chesney to be an IRA member, but the report made no conclusion one way or another about his potential involvement with the group.

However, according to the memo included in the report, a government official who was not named wrote that, "the cardinal said he knew the priest was a very bad man and would see what could be done."

The report is certain to raise more questions about what role, if any, the church may have played during the more than 30 years of violence that claimed 3,600 lives…

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19 August 2010

Oakland Catholic Church Sued For Late Firing Of Pedophile Priest

Windsor Genova - AHN News News Writer

Oakland, CA, United States (AHN) - Seven people sued Oakland’s Roman Catholic Diocese on Wednesday for allegedly keeping a priest on his job after he molested two boys at a parish in Union City in 1978.

Teresa Rosson, 48; Kathleen McDermott Stonebraker, 49, of Pinole; Lisa Crenshaw; and three other women and a man filed the suit before the Alameda County Superior Court. They claimed that the diocese’s late action to fire Stephen Kiesle allowed him to victimize more children.

Rosson, Kiesle’s stepdaughter, claimed that the priest abused her for 30 years since she was 11. The suit, according to her, will prevent innocent kids from getting victimized in the same way.

Diocese spokesman Mike Brown said the church took steps to remove Kiesle from priesthood duties after he molested two boys. However, former diocese bishop John Cummins only agreed to Kiesle’s removal in 1981 and his letters to then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, asking for the removal of the priest went unheeded until 1987.

When Kiesle was finally defrocked in 1987, he was allowed to served as a volunteer youth minister at St. Joseph's Church in Pinole until 1988.

Kiesle was serving as priest at the Santa Paula Church in Fremont in 2002, when he was sued for molesting five children 30 years ago. The case was dismissed in 2003.

Kiesle, 63, is currently listed in the state directory of registered sex offender with address in Walnut Creek.

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PS Are you mentality challenged? Where has anyone ever said all Muslims are terrorist? Stop attempting to make something out of peoples' posts that is simply not there.

Celebrate victim-hood. She's not comfortable with the fact that 99% of terrorists are Muslims, but 99% of Muslims are NOT terrorists.

She probably has lead paint in her house.

[Ggreen 12]

Celebrate victim-hood. She's not comfortable with the fact that 99% of terrorists are Muslims, but 99% of Muslims are NOT terrorists.

She probably has lead paint in her house.

Where you get those numbers from?

[Peikko 1,575]

Where you get those numbers from?

Out his #######, where do you think?

Of course, if you cherry pick your terrorists...

[Heracles 417]

Celebrate victim-hood. She's not comfortable with the fact that 99% of terrorists are Muslims, but 99% of Muslims are NOT terrorists.

She probably has lead paint in her house.

Her consistent you don't get the facts and threads like this demonstrate she has little grasp of reality, let alone the cause and effect her buds have mentioned for years.

Only a fool would think isolated problems within a religion are the exact same thing, as people beheading others or people chanting death to those not Islamic, from within countries they have chosen to migrate to. There are a good 20 pics of separate beheadings on the net alone, I could post, but they are not appropriate for V.J.

Apparently to Cleo and co, murder and atrocities carried out by thousands of various individual people who specifically state they are doing so for Islam in the videos or notes they leave behind, is the exact same thing as a priest molesting a child. For all we know, a priest who could have deliberately joined the church to acquire access to kids.

How many people have seen other Christians holding up signs saying molest non-christian kids? How many Christians have come out and denied the problem, which is pale in comparison to barbaric atrocities like suicide bombers and then tried to discredit it because in the year 1134, x did this and that.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Tone Shifts as Mosque Protests Follow 9/11 Memorial

Betwa Sharma, AOL contributor

NEW YORK (Sept. 11) -- The ninth anniversary of 9/11 was commemorated in Lower Manhattan with a solemn ceremony of reflection and remembrance, but the focus and tone shifted as demonstrations for and against a planned Islamic cultural center and mosque got underway nearby.

The Rev. Terry Jones said he had "totally canceled" his plans to burn copies of the Quran in Gainesville, Fla., but the rancorous anti-Islam mood he espoused was evident near ground zero. Shortly after the memorial service for victims killed there, a man from North Carolina burned pages of the Quran, and another protester from Pennsylvania tore out pages of the Islamic holy book and coaxed the anti-mosque protesters to buy it as "toilet paper."

David Goldman, AP

Patricia Riley, center, of Southampton, N.J., participates in a demonstration opposing the proposed Islamic community center near ground zero in New York on Saturday.

"It is tough, it is durable, it doesn't tear," he said to the onlookers, some of whom laughed while others looked shocked.

Such incidents gave a harder edge to a day that in past years has been devoted to remembrance and national unity. Even some who had come to Lower Manhattan to demonstrate against the planned mosque appeared unhappy about the divisive atmosphere.

"The protest could have been done tomorrow," said Michele Belloli, 58, who said she had already helped block construction of a mosque in her neighborhood in Staten Island.

"It isn't nice for the families of the victims to see us arguing on the day of their sadness," she said. "it hurts just to be down here."

Other protesters, however, asserted that 9/11 was an ideal day to marshal public sentiment against the controversial project, known as Park51.

"I think it is completely appropriate to have this rally today, because 9/11 is what it's all about," said Mary Jane Plaza, who came from Connecticut with her husband and headed to the anti-mosque rally after attending the memorial service.

Thousands of people turned up for both the pro- and anti-mosque rallies. Groups of protesters from different parts of the country vigorously thrashed out the merits and demerits of Park 51 -- in most cases reinforcing each others' existing views.

Within the anti-mosque camp, some protesters said they took exception to the location of the mosque and voiced suspicions about the source of the funds behind the project. Others were there to express a more general antipathy to Muslims in the U.S.

"Muslims will never be American citizens, they don't fit, they don't assimilate," said one elderly protester from Illinois, who declined to give her name. "Let's call a spade a spade: I want them out, not in."

Protesters held up placards like "Islam is intolerant," and "No Bloomosque no Obamosque mosque, no victory mosque," mocking the support President Barack Obama and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg have shown for the Park51 project.

At the rally in favor of the mosque, demonstrators focused their criticism at the opponents. "Some people are trying to exploit this historic moment for political gain," said Congressman Keith Ellison, the first American-Muslim to be elected to the U.S. Congress, and one of the few elected officials to show up at the pro-mosque rally.

"They are so many religious crackpots here calling themselves red-blooded Americans," said Bill Steyert, 67, a Vietnam War veteran representing "Veterans for Peace" at the pro-mosque rally. "If they truly believed in the Christ, then they would love their neighbors."

The rival protesters also accused one another of spreading misinformation about Islam and the purpose behind the Islamic Center. One man on the pro-mosque side carried a signing reading, "Fox News makes you hate."

Belloli said that two months ago she would not have been able to articulate her reasons for opposing the mosque, but now she knows why. "This mosque has made me really read, and Muslims build mosques in areas they think they have conquered," she said.

The anti-mosque rally was interrupted several times by protesters from the other camp who were ejected. "They are spreading a message of hate and they are being protected by the police," said one as he was being escorted away by New York police.

Khalid Latif, the imam of New York University, said that while Muslilm students had no uniform reaction to the popular opposition to the mosque, the scale and tone of it has come as a shock to many of them.

"I think they're in awe of the cruelty and the lack of compassion in the rhetoric, which has turned into hate crimes," he said.

"They're insensitive people," countered Ron Silverados, a 57-year-old road striper from Long Island attending the anti-mosque rally. "I'm tired of saying this but this isn't a religious issue ... it is a moral issue."

The protests have left many American Muslims confused about how to react, said Faiza Ali, a representative from the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), whose director, Nihad Awad, has suggested calm. "American Muslims and Muslims around the world should spend September 11 reaching out to people of other faiths and beliefs to build bridges of respect and understanding," he wrote in a recent statement.

While neither seemed plentiful in Lower Manhattan today, Bill Love, a member of the Lower Manhattan Community Board which approved the Park51 project, took a longer view. "I promise you that when that project goes up on Park Place, 10, 20, 30 years down the road, someone will point it out and say, 'you know what? That was a big national controversy," he said. "People will shake their heads and say, 'How can that be?'

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Where you get those numbers from?

I was watching MSNBC today, perhaps the terror brought down on America and the thousands of Americans murdered this very day nine years ago was orchestrated by bogey-monsters.

Tone Shifts as Mosque Protests Follow 9/11 Memorial

Apparently to Sofiyya this

is the same as this:

Edited September 11, 2010 by Heracles

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Actually, I'm more concerned that you follow people like Atlas Shrugged blogger Pamela Geller and her hero hater, Geert Wilders.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8969583696705370218#docid=-8909687683136312120

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Actually, I'm more concerned that you follow people like Atlas Shrugged blogger Pamela Geller and her hero hater, Geert Wilders.

You mean like this video?

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seminary is really semenary and it's really just a pedophile training camp similar to a terrorist training camp

Amby so you went through Seminary and know this 100%?

I would say it is more a cult like thing which is more disturbing. Having never been to semenary but I would think this would not teach the child abuse.

But a cult/club sect formed by priests that have attended Seminary would be more likely.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Ok.

[Amby 490]

Amby so you went through Seminary and know this 100%?

I would say it is more a cult like thing which is more disturbing. Having never been to semenary but I would think this would not teach the child abuse.

But a cult/club sect formed by priests that have attended Seminary would be more likely.

I've been to semenary. It's a fun place!

[mawilson 2,133]

If Muslims are terrorists, Catholic *priests* are pedophiles. Not Catholics, Catholic priests.

Get your analogies straight.

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I've been to semenary. It's a fun place!

i'm just wondering when someone is gonna catch on to the spelling difference here.