VJ's obsession with Muslims

[Heracles 417]

Sofyya we should really knock off with the blanket responses.

She has simply proven a number of points I made earlier and in other threads. She refuses to admit that there even is a problem and assumes unrelated examples justify the actions carried out by people doing so in her own religion.

[Heracles 417]

I posted about the Christian Phalange militia and their participation in the massacres at Shabra and Shatilla. Also, the organized Christian massacres of Muslims in Bosnia, both during the Clinton administration, if I remember correctly.

Thanks for proving my point yet again, using child like they did it too idiocy.

You seem to get any incident involving a Christian and claim because they are simply considered Christian, this is the same thing as someone Islamic carrying out an atrocities and clearly stating they are doing so in the name of Islam. You are either being deliberately obtuse or you really are that biased.

By the way, it was not a massacre of Muslims, they were having a civil war. Nevertheless, perhaps you would like to explain how the Muslim religion entered those areas a few centuries earlier. It certainly was not with Baklava and Turkish coffee. Funny how you have a huge memory loss when it comes to the Ottoman and other Barbaric Islamic empires, yet the memory fires right up to the crusades in the 11th century prior to that.

[Peikko 1,575]

Once again, no one here is discussing Islam, we are discussing the actions carried out by many in the name of Islam.

You pull this ###### with most topics though. A discussion about inner-city ghettos, ends up with you attempting to claim it's a discussion about black people.

It's irrelevant if Muslim Americans are mother Teresa, when those outside the US are torturing, killing and threatening innocent people daily in the name of Islam. You deliberately ignore the latter and focus on the aforementioned.

As I said, you are free to discuss the merits of each of the Nationalist struggles that is taking place around the world, and debate who is right and who is wrong. Defining these as muslim struggles is however ignorant and disingenuous.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No purpose is served by trying to argue absolute truth on the basis of YouTube videos. All it does is highlight the biases and prejudices of individuals.

Feel free to respond with a slew on one liners and non sequiturs

[Heracles 417]

As I said, you are free to discuss the merits of each of the Nationalist struggles that is taking place around the world, and debate who is right and who is wrong. Defining these as muslim struggles is however ignorant and disingenuous.

Cleo as per usual, your perception of the world is clearly based on your own experiences, from both here and in the UK.

[Peikko 1,575]

Cleo as per usual, your perception of the world is clearly based on your own experiences, from both here and in the UK.

I'm simply not scared of things that are not frightening BY. Irrational fears are pointless, muslims are not terrorists, terrorists are terrorists and I will not lay the blame for the actions of men on the muslim religion.

[Heracles 417]

No purpose is served by trying to argue absolute truth on the basis of YouTube videos. All it does is highlight the biases and prejudices of individuals.

Feel free to respond with a slew on one liners and non sequiturs

They're called examples, of things you and certain others deny. Yet as per usual, the evidence is never 'up to your standards'. Once again, too bad you don't ever hold yourself to these same 'standards' you expect of others.

You have also mentioned time and time again that I like others have the same views, which may by true but they are our opinions; which we are wiling to discuss. You on the other hand have the same handful of generic responses, that are using in every discussion you enter, regardless of topic.

For example, you will confuse something like my or Peejay's strong stance against illegal immigration as being the same old. In reality, it is you who is coming into threads you have no intent of discussing [trolling] and using the same old 'booooring, who cares or you are racist or a bigot' responses in pretty-much every such topic.

[Heracles 417]

I'm simply not scared of things that are not frightening BY. Irrational fears are pointless, muslims are not terrorists, terrorists are terrorists and I will not lay the blame for the actions of men on the muslim religion.

Of course, you're in the burbs and have nothing more to do than worry about your flower bed. Some of us here on the other hand are actually interested in discussing real issues that are affecting the world around us.

Both you and Pike remind me of spoiled children. Since the game is of no interest to you, you both enter a room and throw everything around. By definition both of you are trolling, it's just too bad V.J does not have a policy against this, like most other forums do. It would be like me entering the CFC thread and complaining, because I am not interested in the thread.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

They're called examples, of things you and certain others deny. Yet as per usual, the evidence is never 'up to your standards'. Once again, too bad you don't ever hold yourself to these same 'standards' you expect of others.

You have also mentioned time and time again that I like others have the same views, which may by true but they are our opinions; which we are wiling to discuss. You on the other hand have the same handful of generic responses, that are using in every discussion you enter, regardless of topic.

For example, you will confuse something like my or Peejay's strong stance against illegal immigration as being the same old. In reality, it is you who is coming into threads you have no intent of discussing [trolling] and using the same old 'booooring, who cares or you are racist or a bigot' responses in pretty-much every such topic.

Stop your noise, for gods sake stop whining. What are you, a little boy? Grow up.

Noone has defined anything. The only thing that is being disputed are your biased and flawed conclusions.

[Peikko 1,575]

Of course, you're in the burbs and have nothing more to do than worry about your flower bed. Some of us here on the other hand are actually interested in discussing real issues that are affecting the world around us.

Both you and Pike remind me of spoiled children. Since the game is of no interest to you, you both enter a room and throw everything around. By definition both of you are trolling, it's just too bad V.J does not have a policy against this, like most other forums do. It would be like me entering the CFC thread and complaining, because I am not interested in the thread.

What salient point are you arguing with this post BY?

The obsession with 'muslims' is because most VJ members are too ignorant or to lazy to bother identifying the real reasons behind the various international conclifcts and struggles. It's easy to lump them all together and talk about how muslims are this, that or the other thing. Reality is very complicated and the historical, social and economic reasons for the difficulties in the world today can not be discussed in these sound bite ways.

[Heracles 417]

Stop your noise, for gods sake stop whining. What are you, a little boy? Grow up.

Noone has defined anything. The only thing that is being disputed are your biased and flawed conclusions.

Gezz didn't see this one coming. This is how I know when you are really out of generic responses. I am sure the Australian aborigines will be mentioned soon too.

You predictably enter a thread and use the exact same responses you use in every other thread. Then the second you are caught out, you claim I am whining. So what is someone who enters thread and calls people racists and bigots? Intelligent.

[Heracles 417]

What salient point are you arguing with this post BY?

The obsession with 'muslims' is because most VJ members are too ignorant or to lazy to bother identifying the real reasons behind the various international conclifcts and struggles. It's easy to lump them all together and talk about how muslims are this, that or the other thing. Reality is very complicated and the historical, social and economic reasons for the difficulties in the world today can not be discussed in these sound bite ways.

Rather, it's easier for you to falsely accuse people of lumping others together and then block your ears. You have used the same tactics to dodge legitimate discussions for years now. One again, that is the definition of trolling on most boards.

Both you and Pikey then make broad-brushed excuses and eventually derail threads. You demand specifics from others but then make massive and quite baseless generalizations like "historical, social and economic reasons"; it's your answer to everything.

Edited September 11, 2010 by Heracles

[Peikko 1,575]

Rather, it's easier for you to accuse people of lumping people together and then block your ears.

You have used the same tactics to dodge legitimate discussions for years now. One again, that is the definition of trolling on most boards.

Another rational and cogent response to my post BY.

One more accusation of trolling by you BY and I will report it. There is no excuse for your behaviour.

[Heracles 417]

Another rational and cogent response to my post BY.

Since such discussions are of no interest to [or below] pike, hal, scandal or yourself, why do you guys enter thread after thread and pull the same #######?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Gezz didn't see this one coming. This is how I know when you are really out of generic responses. I am sure the Australian aborigines will be mentioned soon too.

You predictably enter a thread and use the exact same responses you use in every other thread. Then the second you are caught out, you claim I am whining. So what is someone who enters thread and calls people racists and bigots? Intelligent.

Yeah its not like noones heard this little rant of yours before is it?

Nothing you say on these subjects in informed in any way by facts as much as they are by your own prejudices. And you are prejudiced.