13 Achievements Conservatives Would Roll Back

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Good excuse to do it yourself!

The OP is not an exaggeration. It is factual. If the Conservatives had enough political clout to go through on those proposals, such as privatizing Social Security, they would do it, and that's something you can't refute. Nice try though comparing apples to oranges.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

What you have done here, is give us a summary of WHY the Dems will take a beating in November.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

The OP is not an exaggeration. It is factual. If the Conservatives had enough political clout to go through on those proposals, such as privatizing Social Security, they would do it, and that's something you can't refute. Nice try though comparing apples to oranges.

But they don't have the power, and never will have the power so this is nothing more than fearmongering. Nice try at distortion though.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

But they don't have the power, and never will have the power so this is nothing more than fearmongering. Nice try at distortion though.

Translating truth into fearmongering is quite amazing and amusing.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Translating truth into fearmongering is quite amazing and amusing.

What I said is the truth, what you are saying is just election year fearmongering. What is next, bring out the old tried and true "the reps will kill grandma if elected" ploy?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

What I said is the truth, what you are saying is just election year fearmongering. What is next, bring out the old tried and true "the reps will kill grandma if elected" ploy?

Riiiight. I suppose next you're going to claim that ZZ Top doesn't lip sync at their live concerts.

Edited September 9, 2010 by El Buscador

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Translating truth into fearmongering is quite amazing and amusing.

Here you go, by your standards this is also "truth". BTW, I don't agree with this but it just shows how taking the views of a few and imposing it on the whole is just plain stupid.

PROOF THAT DEMOCRATS = SOCIALISM / COMMUNISM

Jaysun | 12/11/03 | Jaysun

Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:27:09 AM by Jaysun

I took some time to examine the stance taken by the Democratic Party on a variety of issues in comparison to the stance taken by the Socialist Party USA. I was looking for a confirmation to what most of us already believe - what I found sent chills down my spine. I’ve listed the issues separately below so as to avoid being monotonous to those who may only be interested in select issues. The direct link to each individual statement is also provided. Also note the Communist Party USA goals at the end of this article.

ABORTION - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes that a struggle against habitual male dominance and patriarchy must go hand in hand with any struggle against capitalism. Therefore, we pledge our opposition to all forms of sexism, and demand equality for women in all aspects of life. We support the rights of all women to birth control information and supplies, and to all reproductive health services -- including abortion. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20021116-roevwade.html

ANTI-WAR (Iraq) - Socialist Party USA They cynically expect that you will put your morals aside and let war crimes be committed in your name. They think you're scared and ignorant enough to go along with anti-Arab racism. They think you can be hoodwinked into giving up your Constitutional rights for the illusion of security. Prove them wrong. Join us in resisting the war. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20020921-iraq.html

ANTI-WAR (Afghanistan) - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party USA stands in complete outrage at the actions of the U.S. Government to bomb Kabul and other cities and towns in Afghanistan. This retribution is not and cannot be just. Instead this military aggression will only lead to more violence; endless cycles of retribution and war will again be in all our lives; innocent people will die; and we will be no better than the September 11 hijackers. Never in history has peace been obtained through war. We join socialists, anti-war and peace organizations, labor unions and all others worldwide in declaring our firm and passionate opposition to policies and actions that lead to war. The people of Afghanistan have never been, and will never be, our enemy. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20011007-afghanistan.html

DEATH PENELTY - Socialist Party USA The death penalty is wrong. It is no less wrong, now that convicted terrorist Timothy McVeigh is about to be executed. The Socialist Party USA stands against the death penalty, no matter to whom it is applied. This is not a new position. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20010417-mcveigh.html

MIDDLE EAST (against Israel) - Socialist Party USA The new wave of bloodshed in the Middle East has its starting point in Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands. The Socialist Party calls for the immediate cessation of all aid to Israel, including the sale of military equipment of any kind. U.S. aid has been used by Israel to fashion one of the most powerful military machines in the world. The U.S. government's complicity with the Israeli occupations should end now. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20001022-middleeast.html

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS - Socialist Party USA WHEREAS in the same document our party states clearly that “We defend the rights of immigrants to housing, education, health care, jobs, and civil, legal, and political rights. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20030817-iwfr.html

HEALTH CARE - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party stands for socialized medicine-- a health care system based on universal coverage, salaried doctors and health care workers, and revenues derived from a graduated income tax. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html

HOUSING - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes the right of all people to high quality, low cost housing. We call for large scale public investment in the construction of low cost, scattered site, community-based, high-quality housing. We call for rent control for all rental units, and the right of tenants to organize. We support the formation of housing cooperatives and nonprofit land trusts, the adoption of advanced and cost-cutting technology in building, and the rehabilitation and weatherization of existing housing. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html

PUBLIC EDUCATION - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes the right of students of all ages to a free, quality education in a safe and supportive environment, and of all school employees to good wages, benefits, and working conditions. We call for full and equal funding of public education, for free tuition at the post-secondary level, and for an end to all public funding and subsidizing of private schools. We call for fewer students per teacher. We call for vigorous affirmative action programs so that each public institution of higher education reflects the community at large in terms of race/ethnicity, gender, and economic background. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html

ENVIRONMENT - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes that the mechanisms in capitalism that oppress and alienate humans are the same mechanisms that destroy the environment. We support a policy of no clear cutting in commercial forestry, a ban on commercial cutting in old-growth forests, and an environmentally sound timber policy that takes into account the historical ecology of the region. We oppose nuclear power projects and call for the immediate decommissioning of all nuclear power plants, a ban on the export of nuclear technology, and any efforts to use nuclear technology in space. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/environment.html

ANIMAL RIGHTS - Socialist Party USA We call for the banning of the fur trade. We support greater inclusion and enforcement of the Endangered Species Act. We call for a ban on animal experimentation for product development, and support products that are not tested on animals. We oppose factory-farming practices of over-crowding, drugging, and otherwise cruelly treating animals, practices that are inhumane and that impair the quality of the food thus produced. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/animal-rights.html

LABOR UNIONS - Socialist Party USA We support efforts to organize all workers, particularly workers in the service industries, enlisted personnel in the Armed Forces, and the difficult to organize (including students, home workers, homeless people, prison inmates, and the unemployed). We support militant, united labor action including secondary strikes and boycotts. We support the right of first-time and part-time workers to full benefits. We call for the repeal of all repressive labor legislation such as the Hatch Act, the Taft-Hartley Act, the Landrum-Griffin Act, and all the so-called "right-to-work" laws. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/labor.html

ECONOMICS - We oppose balancing the federal budget at the expense of funding basic human services. We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits. We call for increased unemployment compensation. We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development. We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and wealthy households at the expense of working people. We support the use of any federal budget surplus on human services rather than tax cuts that will only benefit the rich. (one of my personal favorites). http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/economics.html

COMMUNIST PARTY USA. I’d like to end with some of the stated goals of the Communist Party USA. Once again, the Communist and the Democrats are virtually impossible to tell apart: *Raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour. *No privatization of Social Security. Increase benefits. *Universal health care system. *Restore social safety net. Welfare reform that includes job training, supports and living wages. *Full funding for equal, quality, bi-lingual public education. No vouchers. *Repeal tax cuts to the rich and corporations. *Strong regulation of financial industry. *Prosecute corporate polluters. Public works program to clean our air, water and land. *Aid to cities and states. Federally funded infrastructure repair and social service programs. *No to war with Iraq - End military interventions. *Cut military budget and fund human needs. *End racial profiling. *Repeal the death penalty. *Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action. *Repeal USA Patriot Act. *Legalization and protection of immigrant’s rights. http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/511/#question29

I won’t bore you with a lot of unsolicited commentary about what I’ve just posted. However, I will say that I am literally astounded at how the Democrats mirror the Socialist on every single issue that comes to mind. This further enforces why we must eliminate the current agenda of the Democratic Party. Let us return to debating reasonable things with reasonable people - and not debating on issues that decide whether or not America and freedom will even continue to exist. Please feel free to distribute this as you wish. Thanks - Jaysun

[IncorrectPolitics 26]

Which of the 13 Achievements do you think should be off that list?

There should be a literacy test to vote. I do quite a bit of work in Detroit and you should have seen some of the people in 2008 screaming for Obama. I asked them why are they voting for Obama, what are his plans and his policies. They couldn't answer that, the only reason they could give is "he is black".

[Danno 1,228]

Very informative post.

Here you go, by your standards this is also "truth". BTW, I don't agree with this but it just shows how taking the views of a few and imposing it on the whole is just plain stupid.

PROOF THAT DEMOCRATS = SOCIALISM / COMMUNISM

Jaysun | 12/11/03 | Jaysun

Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:27:09 AM by Jaysun

I took some time to examine the stance taken by the Democratic Party on a variety of issues in comparison to the stance taken by the Socialist Party USA. I was looking for a confirmation to what most of us already believe - what I found sent chills down my spine. I’ve listed the issues separately below so as to avoid being monotonous to those who may only be interested in select issues. The direct link to each individual statement is also provided. Also note the Communist Party USA goals at the end of this article.

ABORTION - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes that a struggle against habitual male dominance and patriarchy must go hand in hand with any struggle against capitalism. Therefore, we pledge our opposition to all forms of sexism, and demand equality for women in all aspects of life. We support the rights of all women to birth control information and supplies, and to all reproductive health services -- including abortion. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20021116-roevwade.html

ANTI-WAR (Iraq) - Socialist Party USA They cynically expect that you will put your morals aside and let war crimes be committed in your name. They think you're scared and ignorant enough to go along with anti-Arab racism. They think you can be hoodwinked into giving up your Constitutional rights for the illusion of security. Prove them wrong. Join us in resisting the war. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20020921-iraq.html

ANTI-WAR (Afghanistan) - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party USA stands in complete outrage at the actions of the U.S. Government to bomb Kabul and other cities and towns in Afghanistan. This retribution is not and cannot be just. Instead this military aggression will only lead to more violence; endless cycles of retribution and war will again be in all our lives; innocent people will die; and we will be no better than the September 11 hijackers. Never in history has peace been obtained through war. We join socialists, anti-war and peace organizations, labor unions and all others worldwide in declaring our firm and passionate opposition to policies and actions that lead to war. The people of Afghanistan have never been, and will never be, our enemy. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20011007-afghanistan.html

DEATH PENELTY - Socialist Party USA The death penalty is wrong. It is no less wrong, now that convicted terrorist Timothy McVeigh is about to be executed. The Socialist Party USA stands against the death penalty, no matter to whom it is applied. This is not a new position. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20010417-mcveigh.html

MIDDLE EAST (against Israel) - Socialist Party USA The new wave of bloodshed in the Middle East has its starting point in Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands. The Socialist Party calls for the immediate cessation of all aid to Israel, including the sale of military equipment of any kind. U.S. aid has been used by Israel to fashion one of the most powerful military machines in the world. The U.S. government's complicity with the Israeli occupations should end now. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20001022-middleeast.html

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS - Socialist Party USA WHEREAS in the same document our party states clearly that “We defend the rights of immigrants to housing, education, health care, jobs, and civil, legal, and political rights. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20030817-iwfr.html

HEALTH CARE - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party stands for socialized medicine-- a health care system based on universal coverage, salaried doctors and health care workers, and revenues derived from a graduated income tax. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html

HOUSING - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes the right of all people to high quality, low cost housing. We call for large scale public investment in the construction of low cost, scattered site, community-based, high-quality housing. We call for rent control for all rental units, and the right of tenants to organize. We support the formation of housing cooperatives and nonprofit land trusts, the adoption of advanced and cost-cutting technology in building, and the rehabilitation and weatherization of existing housing. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html

PUBLIC EDUCATION - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes the right of students of all ages to a free, quality education in a safe and supportive environment, and of all school employees to good wages, benefits, and working conditions. We call for full and equal funding of public education, for free tuition at the post-secondary level, and for an end to all public funding and subsidizing of private schools. We call for fewer students per teacher. We call for vigorous affirmative action programs so that each public institution of higher education reflects the community at large in terms of race/ethnicity, gender, and economic background. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html

ENVIRONMENT - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes that the mechanisms in capitalism that oppress and alienate humans are the same mechanisms that destroy the environment. We support a policy of no clear cutting in commercial forestry, a ban on commercial cutting in old-growth forests, and an environmentally sound timber policy that takes into account the historical ecology of the region. We oppose nuclear power projects and call for the immediate decommissioning of all nuclear power plants, a ban on the export of nuclear technology, and any efforts to use nuclear technology in space. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/environment.html

ANIMAL RIGHTS - Socialist Party USA We call for the banning of the fur trade. We support greater inclusion and enforcement of the Endangered Species Act. We call for a ban on animal experimentation for product development, and support products that are not tested on animals. We oppose factory-farming practices of over-crowding, drugging, and otherwise cruelly treating animals, practices that are inhumane and that impair the quality of the food thus produced. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/animal-rights.html

LABOR UNIONS - Socialist Party USA We support efforts to organize all workers, particularly workers in the service industries, enlisted personnel in the Armed Forces, and the difficult to organize (including students, home workers, homeless people, prison inmates, and the unemployed). We support militant, united labor action including secondary strikes and boycotts. We support the right of first-time and part-time workers to full benefits. We call for the repeal of all repressive labor legislation such as the Hatch Act, the Taft-Hartley Act, the Landrum-Griffin Act, and all the so-called "right-to-work" laws. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/labor.html

ECONOMICS - We oppose balancing the federal budget at the expense of funding basic human services. We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits. We call for increased unemployment compensation. We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development. We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and wealthy households at the expense of working people. We support the use of any federal budget surplus on human services rather than tax cuts that will only benefit the rich. (one of my personal favorites). http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/economics.html

COMMUNIST PARTY USA. I’d like to end with some of the stated goals of the Communist Party USA. Once again, the Communist and the Democrats are virtually impossible to tell apart: *Raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour. *No privatization of Social Security. Increase benefits. *Universal health care system. *Restore social safety net. Welfare reform that includes job training, supports and living wages. *Full funding for equal, quality, bi-lingual public education. No vouchers. *Repeal tax cuts to the rich and corporations. *Strong regulation of financial industry. *Prosecute corporate polluters. Public works program to clean our air, water and land. *Aid to cities and states. Federally funded infrastructure repair and social service programs. *No to war with Iraq - End military interventions. *Cut military budget and fund human needs. *End racial profiling. *Repeal the death penalty. *Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action. *Repeal USA Patriot Act. *Legalization and protection of immigrant’s rights. http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/511/#question29

I won’t bore you with a lot of unsolicited commentary about what I’ve just posted. However, I will say that I am literally astounded at how the Democrats mirror the Socialist on every single issue that comes to mind. This further enforces why we must eliminate the current agenda of the Democratic Party. Let us return to debating reasonable things with reasonable people - and not debating on issues that decide whether or not America and freedom will even continue to exist. Please feel free to distribute this as you wish. Thanks - Jaysun

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Here you go, by your standards this is also "truth". BTW, I don't agree with this but it just shows how taking the views of a few and imposing it on the whole is just plain stupid.

Apples to Oranges. You are trying to give comparative equivalence to what policies are supported by the Socialist Party (who has absolutely no political clout in this country) with prominent elected politicians who have specifically supported such things as privatizing Social Security. Heck, even the last Republican President tried to drum up voter support for it. Not even close, Charlie.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Apples to Oranges. You are trying to give comparative equivalence to what policies are supported by the Socialist Party (who has absolutely no political clout in this country) with prominent elected politicians who have specifically supported such things as privatizing Social Security. Heck, even the last Republican President tried to drum up voter support for it. Not even close, Charlie.

And did we get it? Nope! So if we had a rep congress and a rep president for 6 years and it didn't happen what does that tell you? THAT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!! Get that through your head. You are just transmitting election year fearmongering like a good little LWN.

[Heracles 417]

Oh, the truth can really bite you on the #######....

SS should be privatized, as it is in a number of first world countries. It should not be there as a piggy-bank for anyone spend.

In fact, last time I saw a report regarding it, Australia's private SS system enabled Australians to have double that of what Americans have in SS.

PS Guess which party privatized it? The lefties of all people and ensures 12% on top of every employees pay goes into a private account. For anyone on a low income, the government will match the first few thousand extra contributed.

Edited September 9, 2010 by Heracles

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SS should be privatized, as it is in a number of first world countries. It should not be there as a piggy-bank for anyone spend.

In fact, last time I saw a report regarding it, Australia's private SS system enabled Australians to have double that of what Americans have in SS.

PS Guess which party privatized it? The lefties of all people and ensured 9% on top of every employees pay goes into a private account. For anyone on a low income, the government will match the first few thousand extra contributed.

I agree that SS should be absolutely out of bounds as a source of money for politicians to spend. That said, I'm not sure that putting SS funds in the hands of Wall Street is all that great an idea. You always talk about how horrible the American underclass is, well don't forget that our elites are in a class of their own too. This isn't Australia. Our elites are shitty people.

[Heracles 417]

By 2010, the Australian superannuation pool had risen to $1.17 trillion, making Australia the largest per capita holder of superannuation [retirement] funds in the world and the fourth largest in gross terms.

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By 2010, the Australian superannuation pool had risen to $1.17 trillion, making Australia the largest per capita holder of superannuation [retirement] funds in the world and the fourth largest in gross terms.

Sounds to me like we should invade Australia and take all that money.