Burning the Quran

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Crazy Muslimics!

Yes

He means the followers of Islam, the Muslimics.

Islam is a religion. It doesn't turn any kind of eyes.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

He means the followers of Islam, the Muslimics.

To be articulate is to say what you mean. Anyway he puts it, he's just plain wrong.

[twowls 217]

Actually we never deliberately killed innocent people. It's Islamic factions that have caused the majority of the violence in those countries and are still doing so. It's not Christians or Americans driving vehicles with explosives and blowing up communities, again and again, now is it.

Careful here. The nature of war being what it is, and soldiers necessarily being trained to dehumanize the enemy in order to be "effective," deliberate killing of innocents is very much a reality. There are a few American soldiers who've just been charged with multiple murders of innocent Afghani civilians--a game they worked out for kicks.

It's what happens when you successfully train people to be able to kill fellow humans efficiently and without remorse.

Don't care to get into the "this religion is worse than that one" thing, but just wanted to make the point that war deranges people and there's plenty of innocent blood on our hands as the ones who regularly decide to war it up.

I think when great violence is done, we see in it something of ourselves and can't abide that mirroring, so go to great lengths to separate ourselves and prove that we are utterly unlike "those people." But it's never that simple. The United States just cannot be considered a peaceful nation by any stretch. It is uncomfortable to accept that and to let in all the shades of grey that go with it.

[Pooky 3,830]

So the d*****s pastor calls off his Quran burning, yet Muslim demonstrators in London burn the American flag outside the Embassy in protest. BBC link

Don't these idiots see that all they are doing is making themselves and, in the eyes of a lot of the Western world, Islam in general, look like the villains of the piece?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

i can see what the problem is and i have the ability to look at both sides of what is going on pity you do not

sara

+1 I would give it more, if I could. BY has all the hate sites covered, and a couple of verses from the Quran out of context, too. He's all set to be misguided, just like the terrorists he's s obsessed with.

Evi, I'm not in denial. My views are just not as slanted toward the demonization of Muslims as yours are.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

They need to read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War", a 6th century Chinese text that is mandatory text at US military leadership training schools. Demonization, dehumanization and demoralization of the enemy are classic military tactics. People o this board are trying to use them here against their imaginary Muslims, without much success since few of us are at war with a religion, as they are.

Careful here. The nature of war being what it is, and soldiers necessarily being trained to dehumanize the enemy in order to be "effective," deliberate killing of innocents is very much a reality. There are a few American soldiers who've just been charged with multiple murders of innocent Afghani civilians--a game they worked out for kicks.

It's what happens when you successfully train people to be able to kill fellow humans efficiently and without remorse.

Don't care to get into the "this religion is worse than that one" thing, but just wanted to make the point that war deranges people and there's plenty of innocent blood on our hands as the ones who regularly decide to war it up.

I think when great violence is done, we see in it something of ourselves and can't abide that mirroring, so go to great lengths to separate ourselves and prove that we are utterly unlike "those people." But it's never that simple. The United States just cannot be considered a peaceful nation by any stretch. It is uncomfortable to accept that and to let in all the shades of grey that go with it.

Edited September 11, 2010 by Sofiyya

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So the d*****s pastor calls off his Quran burning, yet Muslim demonstrators in London burn the American flag outside the Embassy in protest. BBC link

Don't these idiots see that all they are doing is making themselves and, in the eyes of a lot of the Western world, Islam in general, look like the villains of the piece?

They probably think about that as much as the G(insert number here) rioters do, or those who riot after sports events. Some people just like to protest.

[IncorrectPolitics 26]

So the d*****s pastor calls off his Quran burning, yet Muslim demonstrators in London burn the American flag outside the Embassy in protest. BBC link

Don't these idiots see that all they are doing is making themselves and, in the eyes of a lot of the Western world, Islam in general, look like the villains of the piece?

They are just another bunch of idiots being trendy.....hating America is "cool" and "trendy" now. They do look like @ssh0les though.

[evli1966 88]

+1 I would give it more, if I could. BY has all the hate sites covered, and a couple of verses from the Quran out of context, too. He's all set to be misguided, just like the terrorists he's s obsessed with.

Evi, I'm not in denial. My views are just not as slanted toward the demonization of Muslims as yours are.

Actually I think your views are as biased as anyone elses; you are human after all. (that is not intended as an insult)

I do not demonize muslims or the Islamic faith I call it as it is seen by anyone else.

An act of terror in the name of your faith by known organizations led by teachers of your faith (Islamic) should be appalled by those of the Islamic faith in public out cry not in privacy.

I also think the reason there is not such an out cry is that the extremists will and have already been killing Muslims on a regular bases; such killing would increase until the extremist were stopped or the Islamic peopel who disagree with the extremist shut up.

Nothing biased there just plain ole stand up for what you believe in other wise you will not stand for anything.

I stand against christain organizations that are corrupt, preach hate or even take scripture out of context to try and make a point.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

My views are based in reality, not from what I read on hysterical blogs and see on YouTube. That makes me biased toward reality, and it's a good thing.

Another monumentally tired and false accusation. Nothing will satisfy non-Muslim calls for Muslim outcry, not even Muslim outcry, so who cares. I'll accuse you and your folks of not protesting enough for anything good, just to change it up.

Actually I think your views are as biased as anyone elses; you are human after all. (that is not intended as an insult)

I do not demonize muslims or the Islamic faith I call it as it is seen by anyone else.

An act of terror in the name of your faith by known organizations led by teachers of your faith (Islamic) should be appalled by those of the Islamic faith in public out cry not in privacy.

I also think the reason there is not such an out cry is that the extremists will and have already been killing Muslims on a regular bases; such killing would increase until the extremist were stopped or the Islamic peopel who disagree with the extremist shut up.

Nothing biased there just plain ole stand up for what you believe in other wise you will not stand for anything.

I stand against christain organizations that are corrupt, preach hate or even take scripture out of context to try and make a point.

[Ban Hammer 13,548]

They need to read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War", a 6th century Chinese text that is mandatory text at US military leadership training schools.

really now?

[evli1966 88]

My views are based in reality, not from what I read on hysterical blogs and see on YouTube. That makes me biased toward reality, and it's a good thing.

Please tell us where your information comes from Soff that doesnt have a biased aspect to it.

Another monumentally tired and false accusation. Nothing will satisfy non-Muslim calls for Muslim outcry, not even Muslim outcry, so who cares. I'll accuse you and your folks of not protesting enough for anything good, just to change it up.

So we protest for good but not enough protesting is done?

How do you know standing up to the extremists in your religeon will not make a difference? I care you want support of people like myself and others then denounce the extremists openly publically; tell them they act outside the faith; tell them they promote hate through out the world which is not the message of Islam.

But if you do not Care then it will not make a difference if I or others care.

Edited September 11, 2010 by evli1966

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Tell me what I've been doing with my life, evli.

[evli1966 88]

Tell me what I've been doing with my life, evli.

You tell us what you have done to publically denounce terrorist acts in the name of the Islamic faith.

What Islamic Organization do you belong to which speaks out against these acts of hatred and evil in the name of Allah or Islam.

The only thing I have read from you is Islam is a peaceful religeon and why you should you have to say anything about extremists. OK so do no tgripe when the extremists paints the picture of Islam as the religeon of war and conquest or even evil.

There is also the typical I am smarter than you atittude I have degrees in .....I know everything on both sides and you are not biased. so please be quite etc. etc. etc. well I hate to tell you this among all the media hype and sensationailsm their is partial truth and if someone were to read and get past the BS in the Media then the truth is the same and the fact s of what is being reported is what the extremists are doing.

Or you agree with anyone that states only bigots would ask the Muslim people (Islamic followers ) to stand up against and speak out against Islamic terrorists or at least you do not disagree with them.

You seem to be a good person most likely led a better life than I have but one thing I know is how I act towards everyone equally and unbiased. The Illegal alien which should not live in our country has most likely been met and greeted with no concern of where they were from. The Muslim the same the black man the same the Asian guy the same; the atheist the same; the convicted felon the same the old the same the young the same I could go on.

I may ask questions and state my opinion but it has never with a hatred of anyone or a lack of respect to them.

So I pose these questions again with respect.

What Islamic organizations have spoke out and denounced the extremist for not following the Quran or the laws of Islam?

What have you done yourself beyond post here and speak out doing the same publically?

Have you ever told a Muslim Teachers Clerics they were wrong when they spoke in support of an extremists action?

What I can say is I stood in my church on Sunday morning with a congregations of 200+ and told the Baptist minister his teachings and actions go against the teachings of the Holy Bible and what Jesus would have taught. Did it matter I do no tknow but 3 years later the Pastor was arrested for fraud & stealing from the church etc. The church is now gone.

[mawilson 2,133]

Actually we never deliberately killed innocent people. It's Islamic factions that have caused the majority of the violence in those countries and are still doing so. It's not Christians or Americans driving vehicles with explosives and blowing up communities, again and again, now is it.

Careful here. The nature of war being what it is, and soldiers necessarily being trained to dehumanize the enemy in order to be "effective," deliberate killing of innocents is very much a reality.

You be careful. Collateral damage is a reality, yes, but it doesn't amount to "deliberate

killing" for the sake of killing, which is something that terrorists do.

I am sure the military commanders who make the strategic and tactical decisions to kill

innocent people as part of their mission are living with their decisions and think of them

every day. Be happy that you are never placed in the position they are in and the choices

that you make never harm anyone.