Number of illegal immigrants in US now declining

[mawilson 2,133]

Nice red herring you threw out there. I'll take that as your admission that you're wrong.

I said "once a criminal, always a criminal". I never said there were criminals *only* because they were

here illegally - they are criminals for a number of different reasons.

[The_Dude 1,142]

I said "once a criminal, always a criminal". I never said there were criminals *only* because they were

here illegally - they are criminals for a number of different reasons.

So now you are basing your response on completely unsubstantiated conjecture?

[mawilson 2,133]

So now you are basing your response on completely unsubstantiated conjecture?

What unsubstantiated conjecture? That they come here to work? Really, Rob?

[The_Dude 1,142]

What unsubstantiated conjecture? That they come here to work? Really, Rob?

So now you're shifting the bar to suit your inability to admit that you're wrong. I'm reverting back to the discussion prior to your injecting "other offenses" into this. You are wrong, being in the U.S. on an expired visa or whatever means is not a crime, despite your assurances that the supreme court will overturn the injunction on the arizona law.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

So now you're shifting the bar to suit your inability to admit that you're wrong. I'm reverting back to the discussion prior to your injecting "other offenses" into this. You are wrong, being in the U.S. on an expired visa or whatever means is not a crime, despite your assurances that the supreme court will overturn the injunction on the arizona law.

A visa is required for foreign citizens to travel to or reside in the United States. If a person remains in the United States after the visa expires, he will be subject to civil penalties, including deportation.

Visas

Citizens of foreign countries need a non-immigrant visa to visit the United States. Foreign citizens who wish to maintain permanent residence in the U.S. must obtain an immigrant visa.

Expiration

Even if someone holds a permanent residence visa, the visa does contain an expiration date. A visa can be extended and must be renewed prior to the expiration date.

Overstaying

The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) contains only civil penalties for an immigrant who overstays her visa. This means that immigrants with an expired visa will not be charged criminally or serve time in jail.

Deportation

The civil proceeding started against an immigrant overstaying his visa is called deportation. An immigrant who is deported will be required to return to his home country.

Return

In addition to deportation, an immigrant who overstays her visa may also become ineligible to obtain another visa. This would prevent her from traveling to the United States in the future.

Read more: What Is the Crime of Overstaying a Visa? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_6107442_crime-overstaying-visa_.html#ixzz0yPPHDETU

[The_Dude 1,142]

A visa is required for foreign citizens to travel to or reside in the United States. If a person remains in the United States after the visa expires, he will be subject to civil penalties, including deportation.

Visas

Citizens of foreign countries need a non-immigrant visa to visit the United States. Foreign citizens who wish to maintain permanent residence in the U.S. must obtain an immigrant visa.

Expiration

Even if someone holds a permanent residence visa, the visa does contain an expiration date. A visa can be extended and must be renewed prior to the expiration date.

Overstaying

The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) contains only civil penalties for an immigrant who overstays her visa. This means that immigrants with an expired visa will not be charged criminally or serve time in jail.

Deportation

The civil proceeding started against an immigrant overstaying his visa is called deportation. An immigrant who is deported will be required to return to his home country.

Return

In addition to deportation, an immigrant who overstays her visa may also become ineligible to obtain another visa. This would prevent her from traveling to the United States in the future.

Read more: What Is the Crime of Overstaying a Visa? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_6107442_crime-overstaying-visa_.html#ixzz0yPPHDETU

Thank you Bill. The bolded part illustrates my point.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

However,

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States

at any time or place other than as designated by immigration

officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration

officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United

States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the

willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first

commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or

imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent

commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or

imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325

[mawilson 2,133]

So now you're shifting the bar to suit your inability to admit that you're wrong. I'm reverting back to the discussion prior to your injecting "other offenses" into this. You are wrong, being in the U.S. on an expired visa or whatever means is not a crime, despite your assurances that the supreme court will overturn the injunction on the arizona law.

Why am I wrong? Illegal presence is not a crime - I never said it was, except in Arizona where it currently *is* a crime (the temporary federal injunction notwithstanding.)

I said "illegal aliens are criminals", I never singled out their illegal presence as the reason - it was AJ who did that.

[Pooky 3,825]

A visa is required for foreign citizens to travel to or reside in the United States. If a person remains in the United States after the visa expires, he will be subject to civil penalties, including deportation.

Thank you Bill. The bolded part illustrates my point.

However,

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States

at any time or place other than as designated by immigration

officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration

officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United

States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the

willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first

commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or

imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent

commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or

imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

So, you're both right and you're both wrong.

Now, either cheer up, or get a room

[peejay 327]

Why am I wrong? Illegal presence is not a crime - I never said it was, except in Arizona where it currently *is* a crime (the temporary federal injunction notwithstanding.)

I said "illegal aliens are criminals", I never singled out their illegal presence as the reason - it was AJ who did that.

If it is not a crime...why are illegal immigrants subject to summary arrest, detainment, and deportation as per the law? Not withstanding the assclowns now in office that have refused to enforce said law, whatever you call it, it ain't like getting a traffic ticket.

Just wait 'till we get rid of Obama and the rest of the assclowns that refuse to do their sworn duty. The deportations can resume at any time. That's no threat...that's a fact.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Yeah, I guess you are right.... since Obama has failed to turn the economy around... I guess it is fair to say one of the results is: SOme of his future base has bailed on him and gone home (for now).

Wonder if Obama will work this into a 2012 campaign commercial?

OBAMA: I did what I had to to stem the flood of illegals..... even wrecking the U.S. Economy , can my opponent say that?

The 800 pound gorilla always gets ignored. Economic reasons are whay they come. Period. No other reason. If the number is down, then the economic reason for being here is decreased. No other reason.

Since this adminstration has done nothing to improve the economy and nothing, really, to stem the flow of illegal aliens (they are not "immigrants", my wife is an "immigrant") then we can assume that the reason they are not coming is a failing (further failing) economy.

Great news.

When I asked Ukrainians why they did nothing about the packs of wild dogs that roam the streets in every city, they said..."the dogs are good, there were no dogs after the 2nd war, people ate them"