Those working illegally can get unemployment?

[trillium13 84]

I just read in the upper forum of someone who has been working illegally (EWI), got laid off, and now gets unemployment insurance.

So those working illegally can be eligible to get unemployment insurance?

Edited September 2, 2010 by trillium13

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I just read in the upper forum of someone who has been working illegally (EWI), got laid off, and now gets unemployment insurance.

So those working illegally can be eligible to get unemployment insurance?

it's amazing the things you can do with a fake SS Card.

You'd be surprised at the Illegal Aliens collecting Social Security.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Only if they are in "covered employment", for example, if an employer paid into a state unemployment insurance fund on behalf of an employee by means of a payroll tax. Any employee, legal, or otherwise, may similarly be entitled to Workman's Compensation, State Disability Insurance, and SSI benefits.

[trillium13 84]

Seeing as how they aren't legal to work in the first place, how does this happen? I really don't know anything about this. Is their ineligibility to work at all not caught by who ever is paying out the insurance? Or does it somehow not matter?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Seeing as how they aren't legal to work in the first place, how does this happen? I really don't know anything about this. Is their ineligibility to work at all not caught by who ever is paying out the insurance? Or does it somehow not matter?

As I said, if you can obtain a social security card ( just go down to the local Hispanic Flea Market in town ) you can pretty much do/get anything you want. You'd be surprised how many people get credit/mortgages, are able to buy cars, are able to collect social security, etc.... and this isn't even from people who are dead/young... they could be very well collecting YOUR social security and you don't even know it until you go to collect and are like "#######, why is my amount cut in half."

It really is a jacked up system that is easy to abuse.

[trillium13 84]

Bleh. This would explain a lot of the things I see on a daily basis though.

[mawilson 2,133]

E-Verify.

[Dan J 277]

As I said, if you can obtain a social security card ( just go down to the local Hispanic Flea Market in town ) you can pretty much do/get anything you want. You'd be surprised how many people get credit/mortgages, are able to buy cars, are able to collect social security, etc.... and this isn't even from people who are dead/young... they could be very well collecting YOUR social security and you don't even know it until you go to collect and are like "#######, why is my amount cut in half."

It really is a jacked up system that is easy to abuse.

From a libertarian perspective, of which you claim to be. Why would it matter if an illegal alien buys a house or car? Thats a contract between that person and the creditor. If they get deported, the creditor is stuck with bad debt, but thats their problem.

Even unemployment insurance (with the exception of the recent extensions since they are tax payer funded) is funded by a premium paid by the employer for each person employed. The benefits are tied to how much that person makes. If the state set up the UI fund correctly, and hasn't been raiding it for other purposes, it works like regular insurance and is self-sufficient.

[evli1966 88]

From a libertarian perspective, of which you claim to be. Why would it matter if an illegal alien buys a house or car? Thats a contract between that person and the creditor. If they get deported, the creditor is stuck with bad debt, but thats their problem.

Even unemployment insurance (with the exception of the recent extensions since they are tax payer funded) is funded by a premium paid by the employer for each person employed. The benefits are tied to how much that person makes. If the state set up the UI fund correctly, and hasn't been raiding it for other purposes, it works like regular insurance and is self-sufficient.

Actually the thought process that bring this to bear is not a libertarian thought process becasue a libertarian would know the creditor would seek compensation from the government which would inturn take it fromthe pockets of a libertarian.

What you state borders more liberal patterns.