Japan's Long Kept Secret On The Death Penalty

[Pooky 3,844]

Pooky made a personal attack. Pooky is not capable of a civilized debate. No cookie for Pooky.

Humans are animals too. We're just supposed to be more intelligent. But treating someone who's a violent criminal, in the same manner as we would treat non-violent law abiding citizens is the same as treating a rabid dog in the same manner as your mannered pet. A fool is someone who has seen failure in their methods, but continues with the same method hoping for a different outcome.

I see I touched a nerve there. Nothing like stating the truth to bring out accusations of a "personal attack" on someone.

Such a pity then that you liken violent criminals to rabid dogs, a comparison that is so far off-base as to be utterly bewildering. We put down rabid dogs because they have a communicable medical condition, which, if not treated in time when contracted, is invariably fatal. Is violent criminality a communicable medical condition?

We get to call ourselves civilised because we don't lower ourselves to the level of the violent criminal as part of our justice system. We get to call ourselves better than them, because we treat life with reverence for everyone, even those that require justice from us. Treating violent criminals as lab rats and experimental guinea pigs is no better than the way they behave, lacking respect for life. Civilised society works because we dare to be better than that.

fool

noun \ˈfül\

Definition of FOOL

1: a person lacking in judgment or prudence

2a : a retainer formerly kept in great households to provide casual entertainment and commonly dressed in motley with cap, bells, and bauble

2b : one who is victimized or made to appear foolish : dupe

3a : a harmlessly deranged person or one lacking in common powers of understanding

3b : one with a marked propensity or fondness for something <a dancing fool> <a fool for candy>

4: a cold dessert of pureed fruit mixed with whipped cream or custard

Merriam Webster Dictionary link

I'll stick with definition number 1 for the context in which I used it, thank you.

[Ling Ling 22]

Pooky, Pooky, Poopy,

yes young lady, violent crime IS a communicable disease to me. Without proper treatment, it spreads.

I'll come down to your level and lash out with an attack, perhaps that is what you attempt to provoke.

Here it is....you are wrong.

Yes, I know you were expecting more, but I really don't take this personally, and I have more respect for a lady, wrong or otherwise.

Good night, and goodbye.

[Pooky 3,844]

Pooky, Pooky, Poopy,

yes young lady, violent crime IS a communicable disease to me. Without proper treatment, it spreads.

I'll come down to your level and lash out with an attack, perhaps that is what you attempt to provoke.

Here it is....you are wrong.

Yes, I know you were expecting more, but I really don't take this personally, and I have more respect for a lady, wrong or otherwise.

Good night, and goodbye.

I never "lashed out with an attack" as you allege, I merely called you a fool, an opinion which you have amply substantiated on your own, without any help from me.

As for your self-proclaimed attack, your words, not mine, you could at least prove yourself not to be a complete idiot by spelling the name right three times in a row (not exactly rocket science) and getting my gender correct.

[Ling Ling 22]

I typically read through a post 2 or 3 times before pressing the "Add Reply" button.

There were no errors in my response, only an opinion expressed beyond your IQ

[Pooky 3,844]

I typically read through a post 2 or 3 times before pressing the "Add Reply" button.

There were no errors in my response, only an opinion expressed beyond your IQ

And you continue to make my case for me.

That you have to resort to insults as you have just proves that you lost the argument a while ago.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And right there, you missed my point.

The criminals are uncivilised. We, supposedly, are not.

Treat anyone, even convicted criminals, by a different set of rules and you take away any justification for thinking you're better than they are. Treat them in an uncivilsed way and you prove yourself to be just the same - uncivilised.

Yep.

[Heracles 417]

But it's not about an eye for an eye, is it?

I don't agree with the death penalty, but I appreciate that in some states it is the law. I do believe in the concept of if you're going to kill someone, do it quickly, with the minimum of fuss and don't make the ####### suffer the way they made their victims suffer. Otherwise, you're really no better than they are.

Better? What does this have to do with being better? Spare me the moral high-ground and leave that for certain other posters.

Corrections is about punishment for one's actions and prevention. People who shoot up their neighborhoods and kill others in cold blood and with a total disregard for human life should not be treated humanely. In fact, once you take someone's life and it's not in self defense, you should forfeit all rights as a human. In 2010, there should be zero tolerance [whatsoever] for murder, rape or horrific violence. Murder should result in the public execution of someone, while rape and violent crimes should result in corporal punishment.

We have played the poor perpetrator for decades, particularly in the UK and it has done absolutely FA for the crime rates. Drastic improvements in technology and police tactics have attacked crime but cannot stop it. This also has nothing to do with socioeconomics, as dirtbags do not shoot up their neighborhoods out of Cadillacs or Lexuses because they are poor, they do so because they do not give a #### about others. Like a cancerous virus, this must be eradicated from a civilized society; that is, in order to stay civilized and not become a second or third world country.

Edited August 30, 2010 by Heracles

[IncorrectPolitics 26]

Better? What does this have to do with being better? Spare me the moral high-ground and leave that for certain other posters.

Corrections is about punishment for one's actions and prevention. People who shoot up their neighborhoods and kill others in cold blood and with a total disregard for human life should not be treated humanely. In fact, once you take someone's life and it's not in self defense, you should forfeit all rights as a human. In 2010, there should be zero tolerance [whatsoever] for murder, rape or horrific violence. Murder should result in the public execution of someone, while rape and violent crimes should result in corporal punishment.

We have played the poor perpetrator for decades, particularly in the UK and it has done absolutely FA for the crime rates. Drastic improvements in technology and police tactics have attacked crime but cannot stop it. This also has nothing to do with socioeconomics, as dirtbags do not shoot up their neighborhoods out of Cadillacs or Lexuses because they are poor, they do so because they do not give a #### about others. Like a cancerous virus, this must be eradicated from a civilized society; that is, in order to stay civilized and not become a second or third world country.

Thank you! Bravo!

[Saddle Bronc 124]

to them still doing this.

Jeers though to the idiot there who's trying to be all anti-death penalty though.

Eye for an eye baby!!!

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/27/japan-reveals-long-secretive-execution-process/?hpt=C2

Japan, one of the few industrialized countries with the death penalty, showed one of its execution chambers to the media for the first time Friday.

Reporters were shown the death chamber at the Tokyo Detention Facility, one of seven used across the country, according to a report in the Mainichi Daily News.

The unprecedented media access was ordered by Justice Minister Keiko Chiba, who after witnessing the deaths of two condemned prisoners last month, said she wanted to have a national debate on capital punishment in Japan, Mainchi reported. Chiba has previously spoken against the death penalty.

Execution in Japan is carried out by hanging.

The chamber showed to the media on Friday had no noose suspended from the ceiling but showed a trap door outlined in red. The condemned fall to a room below the execution chamber where their deaths are confirmed.

Reporters were not shown that room out of "consideration for the inmates' family and wardens," according to the Mainichi report.

They did see other areas involved in the execution process, including the room where a button is pushed to release the trap door, a room where the condemned can get religious last rites or an entry room where inmates are told they are about to be executed.

In an accompanying article in Mainichi, prison officials described Japan’s execution process, long shrouded in secrecy.

The two men executed on July 28, Ogata Hidenori, 33, and Shinozawa Kazuo, 59, were the first put to death since the August 2009 elections in Japan, according to Amnesty International. The organization says 107 prisoners remain on death row in Japan.

seconded. Another country which (at least on paper) still has the stones to hang a man is India (which sentenced Naziesque tout Ajmal Kasab to that earlier this year--quite deservedly--but is yet to carry out the sentence****)

****reality is that sentence was too lenient given the crimes of Kasab and his 9 colleagues--as it was nowhere as grotesque as those crimes.

[Pooky 3,844]

Better? What does this have to do with being better? Spare me the moral high-ground and leave that for certain other posters.

Corrections is about punishment for one's actions and prevention. People who shoot up their neighborhoods and kill others in cold blood and with a total disregard for human life should not be treated humanely. In fact, once you take someone's life and it's not in self defense, you should forfeit all rights as a human. In 2010, there should be zero tolerance [whatsoever] for murder, rape or horrific violence. Murder should result in the public execution of someone, while rape and violent crimes should result in corporal punishment.

We have played the poor perpetrator for decades, particularly in the UK and it has done absolutely FA for the crime rates. Drastic improvements in technology and police tactics have attacked crime but cannot stop it. This also has nothing to do with socioeconomics, as dirtbags do not shoot up their neighborhoods out of Cadillacs or Lexuses because they are poor, they do so because they do not give a #### about others. Like a cancerous virus, this must be eradicated from a civilized society; that is, in order to stay civilized and not become a second or third world country.

We will have to disagree about the validity of capital punishment, but I accept that it is the ultimate sentence in a number of States here in the USA. Hence my comments about the most humane way to execute such a sentence.

That, however, wasn't the source of my comments about being civilised. They were based on Ling Ling's wish to use convicted violent criminals as test subjects, lab rats for chemical trials, human targets for testing the integrity of ballistic protection equipment, etc. That, in my opinion, is treating these criminals as less than human, which, in turn, reduces us to that level.

[Heracles 417]

We will have to disagree about the validity of capital punishment, but I accept that it is the ultimate sentence in a number of States here in the USA. Hence my comments about the most humane way to execute such a sentence.

That, however, wasn't the source of my comments about being civilised. They were based on Ling Ling's wish to use convicted violent criminals as test subjects, lab rats for chemical trials, human targets for testing the integrity of ballistic protection equipment, etc. That, in my opinion, is treating these criminals as less than human, which, in turn, reduces us to that level.

I prefer bringing back corporal punishment than capital. Worked extremely well on convicts in both Aus and Europe. Seeing someone be physically punished tends to stick in one's memory. For those sick folks that may potentially enjoy the punishment, something new to humanity in our era, hanging would take care of that quick-smart. Not too many people who would be dumb enough to try pull something in Singapore where corporal is legal.

Actually, I agree with ling Ling on this and we certainly do not agree on much. Once you commit either murder, rape or a heinous act of violence and it's not in self defense, you should forfeit your right as a human being. Someone who callously takes the life of another deserves nothing. I am not talking about got into a argument bordering manslaughter types, but someone who is a cold heart killer. Damn straight they need to give back to humanity, be it as test subjects or lab rats.

The message is then sent out loud and clear to any wannabes, commit such atrocious crimes and you will be the next lab rat.

Edited August 31, 2010 by Heracles

[Pooky 3,844]

Once you commit either murder, rape or a heinous act of violence and it's not in self defense, you should forfeit your right as a human being. Someone who callously takes the life of another deserves nothing. I am not talking about got into a argument bordering manslaughter types, but someone who is a cold heart killer. Damn straight they need to give back to humanity, be it as test subjects or lab rats.

Then you show that you have no more respect for life than they did. And isn't respect for life what is supposed to set us apart from these types of criminal?