Would You Support The Mosque More If This Nutbar Imam Weren't Running the Show?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

That's fine, but it does sound a lot like what you did to the imam...

I'm not trying to build a Muslim Cultural Center in NYC near Ground Zero after making Anti-American remarks either....

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

How typical.

Indeed. Irrelevant tangents are your specialty.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I'm not trying to build a Muslim Cultural Center in NYC near Ground Zero after making Anti-American remarks either....

Indeed. Irrelevant tangents are your specialty.

You cant answer a simple question when a valid point is being made. Typical liberal nonsense.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Referring to 9/11 he said we are a accessory to the crime. Cleary wrong! Right?

I was addressing Imam's comments when this was brought up by Hal. It was irrelevant because Imam was wrong.

I never claimed that the US was perfect. What I did say was that in no way shape or form should we blame the US for 9/11.

Whats going on here is people saying that were not to blame but then the 'but game' gets played. In a round about way you are blaming the US. Just be honest. We know the wrongs of our history and many of them have been addressed. The need to bring them up shortly after was 9/11 was a cowards way of saying that the US is partly to blame.

I know what the guy said, but I don't see his comment in the light that you do. As I said I can appreciate that the Irish troubles didnt happen in a vacuum. Why can't you admit that 9/11 didn't either?

I'm not trying to build a Muslim Cultural Center in NYC near Ground Zero after making Anti-American remarks either....

You judge the guy based on a few scattered quotes and you think that's fine. Someone does it to you and you don't.

Seems clear cut to me.

[BobandXiaomei 14]

I'm not trying to build a Muslim Cultural Center in NYC near Ground Zero after making Anti-American remarks either....

True. You certainly were offended by someone making a judgment of you and broadly characterizing you only on the basis of what you had written.

[HAL 9000 96]

I would agree as long as no evidence comes out saying that this is being funded by extremists.

I asked your opinion on the givin details of the story to make a point about how maybe this story was getting blown out of porportion. You started getting all convoluted and acting like VJ was a court of law. Most people would of responded along the lines of well based on what we know...

You take up the list with Paul. The only things I addressed were his comments regarding 9/11. Sure Imam back peddled but only because of the pressure he was receiving.

I said that I would oppose this if it could be proved that extremists funded this, I never said that his comments on 9/11 were enough for me to oppose this. You're trying to put words in my mouth.

What I addressed was your downplaying of Imam's comments regarding 9/11. I didnt call him a extremist. I believe there is a good chance he could be but I have no proof so I wont condemn him.

And no evidence has come to light.

About that convolution, it was only you that was confused as to what an appropriate order of steps would be like. You don't punish people before due time, period- and this includes the obvious: evidence, as you just stated.

As for putting words where they don't belong, it might be refreshing for you to read each post carefully before claiming that is the case. You might end up pointing fingers... at yourself.

I also did not downplay the Imam's comments, again... its you interpreting something that isn't there. The rest is your opinion, so chance is something too 'identifying' of which, as you said, you have no proof of- so don't go where you can't.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You cant answer a simple question when a valid point is being made. Typical liberal nonsense.

Yes I can but should I? I chose not to entertain a hypothetical tangent that you are drooling over in your typical right wing nut fashion.

[HAL 9000 96]

No extremest group should be funding this regardless to who else is doing the funding. Would you support this project if it was proved that Hamas provided some of the funds?

If this were the case then the project staff would be arrested for violating provisions of the Patriot Act.

Imam brought some of it on himself by his 9/11 comments and refusing to call Hamas a terrorist organization.

Its a pot-meet-kettle moment, and you failed to see the parallel between that and the cause and effect rationale we discussed earlier.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I know what the guy said, but I don't see his comment in the light that you do. As I said I can appreciate that the Irish troubles didnt happen in a vacuum. Why can't you admit that 9/11 didn't either?

I never said it was or did I allow anyone to think otherwise. I just wont make excuses for these pathetic cowards who in a round about way blame the US for 9/11.

[HAL 9000 96]

I'm sure I will regret replying to this, but from the one line quote that is often publicized from this imam regarding 9/11 he doesn't strike me as "extremist", or even particularly controversial.

As to your claim, saying that you can see how US foreign policy has created resentment that has manifested itself in the form terrorism (amongst other things) is not the same as saying that the US is to blame for 9/11. That's an interpretation that hacks in the news media like to push.

Being from the UK I am well aware of the UK government's culpability in the Northern Ireland troubles. That doesn't mean that I condone or support the actions of paramilitary terrorist groups.

This is logical. One should assume that there are multiple points of view in conflicts and hyped up, fake outrage stories such as this.

Is there any value to this hypthetical debate?

In perhaps that it shows that people have... their perceptions...

You cant answer a simple question when a valid point is being made. Typical liberal nonsense.

Retarded political hackery makes its entrance to this thread. Job well done.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I never said it was or did I allow anyone to think otherwise. I just wont make excuses for these pathetic cowards who in a round about way blame the US for 9/11.

You pretend to be open minded but you really aren't. The imams comments on 9/11 are at best vague. Why are you making a wild assumption about his deepest beliefs based on a soundbite?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

You judge the guy based on a few scattered quotes and you think that's fine. Someone does it to you and you don't.

Seems clear cut to me.

Not really. I'm not trying to pass something off as a 'good relations' thing while having said the things I have said either.

If I were in the public eye trying to do the same thing he's doing or running for office, then judging me would come with the territory and appropriate scrutiny.

I'm just a guy posting on a message board though. No harm. No foul.

There is a difference.

[_Simpson_ 250]

If this were the case then the project staff would be arrested for violating provisions of the Patriot Act.

And rightly so.

Its a pot-meet-kettle moment, and you failed to see the parallel between that and the cause and effect rationale we discussed earlier.

Good try Hal but Imam was to blame for his ant-american remarks the US is not to blame for 9/11.

[HAL 9000 96]

Where's that list Paul?

And rightly so.

Good try Hal but Imam was to blame for his ant-american remarks the US is not to blame for 9/11.

This is why context is alien to you, Simpson.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not really. I'm not trying to pass something off as a 'good relations' thing while having said the things I have said either.

If I were in the public eye trying to do the same thing he's doing or running for office, then judging me would come with the territory and appropriate scrutiny.

I'm just a guy posting on a message board though. No harm. No foul.

There is a difference.

No difference other than your desire to see one and expect more consideration from others than you will afford on someone in the public eye.