Would You Support The Mosque More If This Nutbar Imam Weren't Running the Show?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Some people say that our government's role in meddling in the Middle East is a causal factor in 9/11. As a libertarian you should be well aware of this. Those terrorists didn't just pick out the US as a target for no apparent reason.

No country is perfect, and when a country is due for criticism, its due. If we were to judge people for their intent when having a dialogue, then people here on VJ, you included, would likely be fried.

America is not to blame for 9/11 plain and simple. I will not excuse these terrorists misguided anger and actions in any way shape or form.

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America is not to blame for 9/11 plain and simple. I will not excuse these terrorists misguided anger and actions in any way shape or form.

Nobody is excusing anybody Simpson, don't read what isn't written.

Life, death, and everything in between is not a straight, simple line most of the time. That anger and action do have their misguided origins somewhere, that's all I said.

This is why I poke fun at people that have a weird thing with this Center. There is an irrational understanding that they can't pinpoint more than stating something about bad taste and the insensitivity of having a symbol of an entire religion within walking distance of a very tragic incident perpetrated by fanatics in the extreme of that religion.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

But it's always something.

there is always going to be something in everything that's controversial. Especially when those surrounding an idea are controversial themselves.

[IndigoSkies 168]

Imam Rauf is anything but anti-American. As you spew your vitriol, Paul, Imam Rauf is in Middle East promoting America and American way of life. What you are doing is, on the other hand, anti-American insomuch that you are speaking out of fear and hate of Muslims and Islam. Don't try to hide behind your "I'm not anti-mosque" retort. You clearly don't like Muslims and Islam. Grow a spine and be properly racist. Then at least we can give you a plus on having principle, however asinine that principle is.

When it comes to Muslims, you people will find something, anything to have a negatory attitude. Sometimes I hear they say "We're not against Muslim. We're against Islam." Sometimes they say "We're not against Islam. We're against Muslims." In reality what you are against is openness, diversity, liberalism, progressivism, internationalism, and other concepts that the world is rushing toward. You're vitriol and hate will keep America behind. And in doing that, you are truly the ones who are anti-American.

Thanks to this whole issues, it's very easy to judge people who are cultural ogres and people who are not.

Edited August 25, 2010 by IndigoSkies

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What idea would that be? I'd still like to make up my mind as to what Anti-American sentiments this Imam has put out that is are so evil.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Imam Rauf is anything but anti-American. As you spew your vitriol, Paul, Imam Rauf is in Middle East promoting America and American way of life. What you are doing is, on the other hand, anti-American insomuch that you are speaking out of fear and hate of Muslims and Islam. Don't try to hide behind your "I'm not anti-mosque" retort. You clearly don't like Muslims and Islam. Grow a spine and be properly racist. Then at least we can give you a plus on having principle, however asinine that principle is.

When it comes to Muslims, you people will find something, anything to have a negatory attitude. Sometimes I hear they say "We're not against Muslim. We're against Islam." Sometimes they say "We're not against Islam. We're against Muslims." In reality what you are against is openness, diversity, liberalism, progressivism, internationalism, and other concepts that the world is rushing toward. You're vitriol and hate will keep America behind. And in doing that, you are truly the ones who are anti-American.

Thanks to this whole issues, it's very easy to judge people who are cultural ogres and people who are not.

Who the hell do you think you are to try and judge me?

I'm not hiding behind anything.

I say how I feel about everything in case you haven't been paying attention on these boards for awhile.

Don't even try and play like you know me. Please. People like you are damn pathetic. Trying to think you know everything about someone just because they have an opinion on one thing.

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But you haven't published that list have you?

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Who the hell do you think you are to try and judge me?

That's rich.

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I did laugh too.

[The_Dude 1,142]

That's rich.

Paul is a self-styled constitutional scholar and climate scientist. He is to be praised and lauded. I also hear he farts rainbows.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Nobody is excusing anybody Simpson, don't read what isn't written.

Life, death, and everything in between is not a straight, simple line most of the time. That anger and action do have their misguided origins somewhere, that's all I said.

Your response to Imam blaming the US for 9/11 was the above. Why even mention that? Sure the terroists had there reasons although none of them were valid.

This is why I poke fun at people that have a weird thing with this Center. There is an irrational understanding that they can't pinpoint more than stating something about bad taste and the insensitivity of having a symbol of an entire religion within walking distance of a very tragic incident perpetrated by fanatics in the extreme of that religion.

I think this has more to do with not letting the terrorist see this as a victory than trying to put a big stamp on Islam.

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Your response to Imam blaming the US for 9/11 was the above. Why even mention that? Sure the terroists had there reasons although none of them were valid.

I think this has more to do with not letting the terrorist see this as a victory than trying to put a big stamp on Islam.

The response being that those terrorists acted out for a reason. Crazy as it was to do so, its still a reason.

You of all people here should know by now what perception makes people do.

If you're concerned with the terrorist's perceptions, then by all means support their notion that America is not nice to Muslims- because this is what all this anti-Mosque hysteria does for them, I'm sure. I'm sure that will make the terrorists think about not looking for new ways to target us, right?

[_Simpson_ 250]

The response being that those terrorists acted out for a reason. Crazy as it was to do so, its still a reason.

My point was that instead of admitting that Imam was wrong with his statement you resorted to the chickens have come home to roost approach.

You of all people here should know by now what perception makes people do.

Go on.

If you're concerned with the terrorist's perceptions, then by all means support their notion that America is not nice to Muslims- because this is what all this anti-Mosque hysteria does for them, I'm sure. I'm sure that will make the terrorists think about not looking for new ways to target us, right?

Im not concerned with terrorist perception. People here at VJ keep acting like the people that are against this project hate all of Islam when that is not the fact. Call it what you will but quit it with this notion that they hate all of Islam.

Edited August 25, 2010 by _Simpson_

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My point was that instead of admitting that Imam was wrong with his statement you resorted to the chickens have come home to roost approach.

Go on.

Im not concerned with terrorist perception. People here at VJ keep acting like the people that are against this project hate all of Islam when that is not the fact. Call it what you will but quit it with this notion that they hate all of Islam.

Cause and effect, Simpson, is how the world goes round. Even if that cause is perceived only to those perpetrating out certain effects.

If you state that you're concerned with giving the perception of victory to some terrorists, then you are most certainly concerned with their perception.

This community center is for all Muslims, not for the terrorists.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Cause and effect, Simpson, is how the world goes round. Even if that cause is perceived only to those perpetrating out certain effects.

I know but who cares Imam was wrong in when he blamed the US for 9/11. That is the point and you keep going on with this other nonsense all the while avoiding the real issue here.

If you state that you're concerned with giving the perception of victory to some terrorists, then you are most certainly concerned with their perception.

Have I said otherwise? You didnt address my point. Just cause someone is against this project doesnt mean there putting a big stamp on Islam. It means they care about what terrorists think in this situation.

This community center is for all Muslims, not for the terrorists.

Have I said otherwise? You're still not addressing the point.