Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?

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So you can't then? Just as I expected. Sigh.....

I see the history revisionists have started. Of course it is the only harbor they have this fall, blame the failures on the reps. The "blame the other guy" mentality isn't going to fly this fall. People may be dumb but not that dumb.

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So you can't then? Just as I expected. Sigh.....

Is that what I said? Gary John, you do realize you're stuck in your opinions right?

I see the history revisionists have started. Of course it is the only harbor they have this fall, blame the failures on the reps. The "blame the other guy" mentality isn't going to fly this fall. People may be dumb but not that dumb.

And I didn't claim it was only the Republicans at fault either. Take a coffee break or something... the caffeine will help you focus better.

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Is that what I said? Gary John, you do realize you're stuck in your opinions right?

And I didn't claim it was only the Republicans at fault either. Take a coffee break or something... the caffeine will help you focus better.

Do you realize your stuck in your opinions as well? When will you admitt that the reps could have stayed home the last 18 months and nothing would have changed? What part of "they had all the votes they needed and didn't need a single rep vote" don't you understand? Don't get me wrong, I wanted the dems to give us real health care reform. That is why I voted for Obama and a dem senator. I wanted single payer. That is what the people wanted. We gave them the chance, they could have done it without any help from the reps and they blew it fighting among themselves. So partisan hack Hal, why won't you admitt it?

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Do you realize your stuck in your opinions as well? When will you admitt that the reps could have stayed home the last 18 months and nothing would have changed? What part of "they had all the votes they needed and didn't need a single rep vote" don't you understand? Don't get me wrong, I wanted the dems to give us real health care reform. That is why I voted for Obama and a dem senator. I wanted sing payer. That is what the people wanted. We gave them the chance, they could have done it without any help from the reps and they blew it fighting among themselves. So partisan hack Hal, why won't you admitt it?

I certainly am stuck in my opinions. The same argument that has claimed that Obama has done nothing also turns on itself and claims Obama is doing way too much. Classical political schizophrenia.

I've already claimed that Obama should have been more aggressive in getting all Democrats involved, doing so in public and with complete transparency as during the campaign season. If he loses in 2012, then he loses in 2012 for more reasons than you care to admit- and that's fine. Call me a partisan hack all you want, I prefer to stick to fact and a more complete story than hiding in your politically polarized glass house.

You can say you voted for Obama all you want- if you are not paying attention to his stated goals (his platform), not paying attention to how the legislative process works, then you can delude yourself all you want.

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I certainly am stuck in my opinions. The same argument that has claimed that Obama has done nothing also turns on itself and claims Obama is doing way too much. Classical political schizophrenia.

I've already claimed that Obama should have been more aggressive in getting all Democrats involved, doing so in public and with complete transparency as during the campaign season. If he loses in 2012, then he loses in 2012 for more reasons than you care to admit- and that's fine. Call me a partisan hack all you want, I prefer to stick to fact and a more complete story than hiding in your politically polarized glass house.

You can say you voted for Obama all you want- if you are not paying attention to his stated goals (his platform), not paying attention to how the legislative process works, then you can delude yourself all you want.

I took the man at his word. His word? This is his word:

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-in-03-id-like-to-see-a-single-payer-health-care-plan/

We gave him the white house, the senate and the house. What excuse does he have?

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I took the man at his word. His word? This is his word:

We gave him the white house, the senate and the house. What excuse does he have?

Excuses, and the notion that things in Washington don't happen overnight.

In other words, compromise, as I stated before you dug your heels in a very unrealistic interpretation of what Washington, the Legislative branch, the Executive branch, and special interest groups, all do.

And 2003 isn't 2008, 2009, or 2010. Things in Washington do change overnight when it comes to votes and the acquisition thereof.

This is the same Breitbart that used old footage to purposely create a storm in a bathtub. Like I said, use better, objective sources.

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Excuses, and the notion that things in Washington don't happen overnight.

In other words, compromise, as I stated before you dug your heels in a very unrealistic interpretation of what Washington, the Legislative branch, the Executive branch, and special interest groups, all do.

And 2003 isn't 2008, 2009, or 2010. Things in Washington do change overnight when it comes to votes and the acquisition thereof.

This is the same Breitbart that used old footage to purposely create a storm in a bathtub. Like I said, use better, objective sources.

Ok, before I called you a partsan hack just to show my displeasure at being called Gary again. Now I mean it. If a candidate says something, gives conditions for being able to do it and then doesn't even try when given all he asked for then I would say he and his own party failed. If you can't accept the fact that the dems were given a golden chance to make good on Obama's promise without any need for rep participation then you truly are a political hack.

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Ok, before I called you a partsan hack just to show my displeasure at being called Gary again. Now I mean it. If a candidate says something, gives conditions for being able to do it and then doesn't even try when given all he asked for then I would say he and his own party failed. If you can't accept the fact that the dems were given a golden chance to make good on Obama's promise without any need for rep participation then you truly are a political hack.

Doesn't even try? Now I now you haven't been paying attention to objective news outlets. And that's being a partisan hack? Sorry about that, Gary John. Nothing in common indeed!

I never said I was satisfied with Obama's handling of the health care legislation- but I've also stated Washington has a way of doing things, that even Republicans have stated and sort of tried proposing, although most rational minds would classify those attempts as more obstructionism than being constructive politicians. Partisan hacks all of us then.

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Doesn't even try? Now I now you haven't been paying attention to objective news outlets. And that's being a partisan hack? Sorry about that, Gary John. Nothing in common indeed!

I never said I was satisfied with Obama's handling of the health care legislation- but I've also stated Washington has a way of doing things, that even Republicans have stated and sort of tried proposing, although most rational minds would classify those attempts as more obstructionism than being constructive politicians. Partisan hacks all of us then.

Ok, Who cares what you think about the health care situation. Myself and a whole lot of other people voted for him specificly to get single payer. I voted for dem senators and house reps as well because I knew that is what was needed to get the job done. I you want to give him a pass on this, fine, you are part of the problem then.

As far as yours and Steve's obsession with this Gary person though, it really baffles me. What part of "I am not Gary" do you not understand? You must either really like him and miss him or you are scared of him and see him in any new person that states conservative views. At least give me the respect I feel I deserve and stop calling me a lier. If you want to think it, so be it. But stop with the Gary business.

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Ok, Who cares what you think about the health care situation. Myself and a whole lot of other people voted for him specificly to get single payer. I voted for dem senators and house reps as well because I knew that is what was needed to get the job done. I you want to give him a pass on this, fine, you are part of the problem then.

As far as yours and Steve's obsession with this Gary person though, it really baffles me. What part of "I am not Gary" do you not understand? You must either really like him and miss him or you are scared of him and see him in any new person that states conservative views. At least give me the respect I feel I deserve and stop calling me a lier. If you want to think it, so be it. But stop with the Gary business.

Well if you don't care about what I think, quit asking. The rest is part of a crescendo in anger that was characteristic of... yep...

I have no idea what you're on, and yes... I miss Gary. At least his growing outbursts when presented with fact were the stuff of legend, which is one reason (kind of like the Blue Dogs being only one part of the reason Obama's program hasn't gotten established) I'd love to see him here again. I usually don't reference old members, BTW...

So yes... Washington is a problem now, and no, I am not justifying their methodology for legislating. Just in case you also wanted to jump that gun and conclude something that I didn't write or suggest.

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Well if you don't care about what I think, quit asking. The rest is part of a crescendo in anger that was characteristic of... yep...

I have no idea what you're on, and yes... I miss Gary. At least his growing outbursts when presented with fact were the stuff of legend, which is one reason (kind of like the Blue Dogs being only one part of the reason Obama's program hasn't gotten established) I'd love to see him here again. I usually don't reference old members, BTW...

So yes... Washington is a problem now, and no, I am not justifying their methodology for legislating. Just in case you also wanted to jump that gun and conclude something that I didn't write or suggest.

You think I am angry when discussing the blue dogs? No, that isn't anger, it is dismay at someone who professes to be a smart person who can't see the obvious. The only anger you have provoked comes from calling me a lier. That I don't like.

For the record, it is the dems and the blue dogs that are resposible for the lack of progress on health care. I have asked you to prove me wrong and all I get is your roll eyes or ROFL emoticons and not one bit of evidence to the contrary. Your attempts at dismissal are nothing more than your inability to prove me wrong. So I will ask one more time, prove to me that the reps had any involment in watering down or stopping any bill before Brown became a senator. You haven't because you can't.

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You think I am angry when discussing the blue dogs? No, that isn't anger, it is dismay at someone who professes to be a smart person who can't see the obvious. The only anger you have provoked comes from calling me a lier. That I don't like.

For the record, it is the dems and the blue dogs that are resposible for the lack of progress on health care. I have asked you to prove me wrong and all I get is your roll eyes or ROFL emoticons and not one bit of evidence to the contrary. Your attempts at dismissal are nothing more than your inability to prove me wrong. So I will ask one more time, prove to me that the reps had any involment in watering down or stopping any bill before Brown became a senator. You haven't because you can't.

The same obvious that you're not reading in my posts?

I also didn't call you a liar did I? Keep a better record of objective news- hopefully better than your method of missing posted statements here.

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The same obvious that you're not reading in my posts?

I also didn't call you a liar did I? Keep a better record of objective news- hopefully better than your method of missing posted statements here.

The obvious fact that the reps had nothing to do with changing any bill. That is how they got the label of "the party of no". The obvious facts that it was 100% dem on dem that resulted in compromise. And your dogged insistance that there isn't a "black or white" resposibility for the compromise. In this case it is black and white. I ask you again to prove me wrong. If you can I will admitt my mistake here and not repeat my misstatement.

BTW, Every time you or Steve call me Gary you are calling me a lier. I am not Gary.

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The obvious fact that the reps had nothing to do with changing any bill. That is how they got the label of "the party of no". The obvious facts that it was 100% dem on dem that resulted in compromise. And your dogged insistance that there isn't a "black or white" resposibility for the compromise. In this case it is black and white. I ask you again to prove me wrong. If you can I will admitt my mistake here and not repeat my misstatement.

BTW, Every time you or Steve call me Gary you are calling me a lier. I am not Gary.

Oh lawd.