ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm still not sure exactly what these types of threads are asking. It's all well and good to say people should just get on, but it just doesn't work like that.

[The_Dude 1,142]

I agree, if you deem it racist then you report me. Yet if you label me a racist, then you too should be suspended.

Once again, do you really want to play a zero tolerance rule in OT? Unfortunately for you guys, that does include labeling people. You guys don't want that, what you want is to be able to play by your rules and cry when others play by their own.

PS Rob you see the word black and automatically deem it racist.

BY, if you espouse racist beliefs and state that those are indeed your beliefs, then you are racist. I'm not looking for a zero tolerance policy, merely a consistent enforcement of the ToS that is in place. I personally believe your racist diatribes about anchor babies is far worse than me calling you out on it, but aparently, that opinion is not shared by the moderating team.

Rob - I think there's also inconsistency cos people are friends on VJ. There's groups of people who may know each other in RL, have inside jokes, etc. There may be some things that aren't reported because of that. An example would be maybe someone said something that would be considered against the TOS or at least borderline offensive or a borderline "personal attack". I know the person, people know I'm "friends" with the person, and I don't really care about the comment. We have a laugh about it and nothing is reported. If it is reported, nothing is really done about it because I don't really care. If that same person said the same thing to someone else, even in a joking manner, they could be reported, there's outrage, etc.

I think that the moderators have done a better job recently of actually consulting with the parties involved to check on the context of scenarios like what you point out. I do believe it does skew things. However, that is not my real issue. I am focused on the complacency of the moderators when it comes to racism.

[Heracles 417]

I'm still not sure exactly what these types of threads are asking. It's all well and good to say people should just get on, but it just doesn't work like that.

Quite simply as you don't seem to grasp basic concepts. There should be zero tolerance of TOS violations. From racism, to personal attacks, to Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Forums[TOS], to even calling Marc a drunk. Yes that does includes calling someone a stupid, idiot, bigot, racist etc.

Do you agree with this or do prefer to simply stick what what you and your little like-minded group deems offensive?

BY, if you espouse racist beliefs and state that those are indeed your beliefs, then you are racist. I'm not looking for a zero tolerance policy, merely a consistent enforcement of the ToS that is in place. I personally believe your racist diatribes about anchor babies is far worse than me calling you out on it, but aparently, that opinion is not shared by the moderating team.

Basically what you are saying is that certain topics should not be discussed because you [personally] feel they are racist - like anchor-babies.

Zero tolerance is the only way to go, to be equal.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Heracles

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Quite simply as you don't seem to grasp basic concepts. There should be zero tolerance of TOS violations.

From racism, to personal attacks, to Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Forums[TOS], to even calling Marc a drunk. Yes that does includes calling someone a stupid, idiot, bigot, racist etc.

Do you agree with this or do prefer to simply stick what what you and your little like-minded group deems offensive?

Racism is as racism does. If you use racist arguments and insults as you done on multiple occasions (and admitting doing so) people are going to call you a racist. I'm sorry but that's just the way it is. It's not an insult, its a direct commentary on your own words and if you genuinely want people to get on with each other you yourself will make the effort to stop creating these situations and not simply sit there and try to pin the blame on everyone else.

[Darnell 8,478]

Cman peeps, this is getting out of hand. And we're beating things to death here until they're a bloody pulp. My head is spinning from all the threads.

Who wants to hit the 'reset' button and just play nice? We're all adults, do we really need to revamp TOS and get mods involved for essentially what are personality conflicts? How bout we give it a try?

Hey ! That's a great idea !! Perhaps is time to negotiate the terms of any truce, yes?

[SMOKE 1,426]

Hey ! That's a great idea !! Perhaps is time to negotiate the terms of any truce, yes?

why? it won't happen. the kindercare crowd will not allow a truce. they aren't happy unless they're b!tching & trying to control something/someone they have no control over. IP bans solves all problems.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It doesn't really solve problems, it just sweeps them under the carpet.

[Heracles 417]

Racism is as racism does. If you use racist arguments and insults as you done on multiple occasions (and admitting doing so) people are going to call you a racist. I'm sorry but that's just the way it is. It's not an insult, its a direct commentary on your own words and if you genuinely want people to get on with each other you yourself will make the effort to stop creating these situations and not simply sit there and try to pin the blame on everyone else.

Okay, so if you and the exact same handful of posters who coincidentally share the exact same views on everything deem something is racist, bigotry and so on, we should just stop discussing a topic. Yet when it comes to insults or labels, then they are just petty and should continue. That is what you are saying.

Your insistence as well to clamp down on others comments but not on your own illustrates there is an agenda. All good and well to call Marc a drunk but not cool to discuss illegal aliens. All good and well to label someone a "racist" or "brown hater", because they simply disagree with illegal immigration, but not cool to discuss the topic.

I have never denied that some comments I have made in the past in response to others insults were hateful. But what I am not going to accept is me being suspended for that yet you and your pathetic little group being able to insult Paul or call Marc a Drunk or mock JAS and get away with it.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Basically what you are saying is that certain topics should not be discussed because you [personally] feel they are racist - like anchor-babies.

Zero tolerance is the only way to go, to be equal.

BY, racism and hate speech is not allowed as per the ToS. I don't mind the topics that come close, just so long as people don't stray over the line and start using racist terms or rationale. There are several people on this board who seem to have a very limited comprehension of racism.

[Darnell 8,478]

why? it won't happen. the kindercare crowd will not allow a truce. they aren't happy unless they're b!tching & trying to control something/someone they have no control over. IP bans solves all problems.

I'm a fan of IP bans - heck - I even know what that is.

You guys claim you apaprently want equal moderation, then so do I.

Hate or racism offends you guys right.

Well insults offends me, yep even petty ones or labels like racist.

Henceforth both should result in suspension. Now, who do you think is going to receive more suspensions with such a moderation? My odd bordering hate speech comment or you and your mates daily insults. Spook for example, would be suspended for months.

Hey ! Please re-read Happy Bunny's original posit, on post #1 - she's suggesting to 'drop all' and go forth as if there were no prior or current conflict.

That sounds like an excellent approach to 'residing at VJ' - what are your thoughts, specifically, about 'dropping all' ?

It doesn't really solve problems, it just sweeps them under the carpet.

I suppose if then, the carpet is 'clean', then all can play on the clean carpet? I like clean carpet, always.

[TBoneTX 45,309]

IP bans solve all problems.

Si, man.

[Heracles 417]

Hey ! Please re-read Happy Bunny's original posit, on post #1 - she's suggesting to 'drop all' and go forth as if there were no prior or current conflict.

That sounds like an excellent approach to 'residing at VJ' - what are your thoughts, specifically, about 'dropping all' ?

I am all for this. While not a fan, I will even accept Zero Tolerance in order to satisfy all of the babies.

I am not going to sit here and have any f-ckwit try to change and implement two sets of rules, which favor their posting style again. Been there and done that during the early VJ years.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Okay, so if you and the exact same handful of posters who coincidentally share the exact same views on everything deem something is racist, bigotry and so on, we should just stop discussing a topic. Yet when it comes to insults or labels, then they are just petty and should continue. That is what you are saying.

Your insistence as well to clamp down on others comments but not on your own illustrates there is an agenda. All good and well to call Marc a drunk but not cool to discuss illegal aliens. All good and well to label someone a "racist" or "brown hater", because they simply disagree with illegal immigration, but not cool to discuss the topic.

I have never denied that some comments I have made in the past in response to others insults were hateful. But what I am not going to accept is me being suspended for that yet you and your pathetic little group being able to insult Paul or call Marc a Drunk or mock JAS and get away with it.

No BY, not simply hateful - racist. Referring to a Hispanic posters family as "bowl cut Inca" IS racist, sneering at someone's hispanic SO and suggesting that they are sub-par IS racist, stating that that blacks and hispanic citizens should have fewer civil rights than everyone else IS racist, claiming that blacks in the US have the social problems they do because they can't run a piss up in a brewery and look at Africa for proof IS racist.

We can go back and forth on this - but I'm not going to apologise to you for calling out what are, to me (and to others - including the moderators) clear examples of racism. If you're offended by this - then you should re-examine your own words and your own attitude. Yet rather than do that you invent this fanciful story that not only are you right and everyone else is wrong but the "everyone else" is somehow in cahoots with each other to bait you and get you suspended. That's simply ridiculous.

As I said, if you aren't prepared to accept responsibility for your own part in creating these situations - then I don't see what you are expecting to achieve. You might get a few newbies to side with you who haven't had the benefit of experience to know what you're like, but you aren't going to fool many others.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[Darnell 8,478]

I am all for this.

That's great, then !! Have you formulated any personal plan for implementing this, or still thinking about 'your best approach' ??

Edited August 23, 2010 by Darnell

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No BY, not simply hateful - racist. Referring to a Hispanic posters family as "bowl cut Inca" IS racist, sneering at someone's hispanic SO and suggesting that they are sub-par IS racist, stating that that blacks and hispanic citizens should have fewer civil rights than everyone else IS racist, claiming that blacks in the US have the social problems they do because they can't run a piss up in a brewery and look at Africa for proof IS racist.

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