Muslim Miss USA:

[Ban Hammer 13,469]

Do they have pole dancing at the Gentlemen's club?

there was a scandal about that with the gal in the op not too long ago.

[nab 74]

Typically called High-Funtioning Users...addicts....junkies etc.

Not trying to state they are bad people or can not provide for their families but clearing up their preception that all drug users are low income on the outs hoods with no life or overly ecotistical spotlight entertainers of some form.

you got it. suburbia has a lot of these.

common thing around here is "back pain medication over-usage"... from the "perfect" stay-at-home mommy to the insurance salesman.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

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what's your point? None of those businesses/corporations employees/stockholders made claim in the name of the business to blow up two buildings and lead to the destruction of several more.

[Peikko 1,575]

what's your point? None of those businesses/corporations employees/stockholders made claim in the name of the business to blow up two buildings and lead to the destruction of several more.

No, true, but your assumption is that because someone says, I'm doing this in the name of allah, or whatever that this necessarily means that they are then representatives of that religion - they are not.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Muslim Miss USA: Move the mosque!

By JENNIFER FERMINO

Last Updated: 1:24 PM, August 21, 2010

Posted: 2:03 AM, August 21, 2010

Comments: 33 | More Print

Looks like Miss USA -- a practicing Muslim and the first Arab-American ever to snag the sparkly crown -- won't be unrolling her prayer mat in the mosque near Ground Zero.

Rima Fakih, a Queens-raised daughter of Lebanese immigrants, said she respects freedom of religion but believes the proposed $100 million Islamic cultural center is too close to the site of the worst domestic terror attack in US history.

"I totally agree with President Obama with the statement on constitutional rights of freedom of religion," the beauty queen said in an interview with "Inside Edition" that aired yesterday.

Reuters

RAISING EYEBROWS: Miss USA Rima Fakih, vying for Miss Universe, says she doesn't favor a mosque near Ground Zero.

"I also agree that it shouldn't be so close to the World Trade Center. We should be more concerned with the tragedy than religion."

Fakih -- who graduated from St. John's Prep HS in Queens before relocating to Michigan with her family -- spoke to the TV show while she was practicing for Monday's Miss Universe pageant.

She and Obama might have different views on the mosque, but the Lebanese-born stunner harbors no ill will toward the president.

In fact, she dedicated her barely-there costume for the beauty extravaganza to Obama.

Fakih unveiled the sexy get-up in a YouTube video, saying, "Mr. President, the amazing costume I will wear during the Miss Universe pageant represents the celebration of life, liberty and all that is American."

She said she dedicated the gold lamé outfit -- a Victoria's Secret-like interpretation of the American eagle on the presidential seal featuring massive gold wings and little else -- to Obama as "a tribute to your work to bring peace to the world."

Fakih's stance on the controversial mosque is not the first time the pageant winner has made headlines for her off-stage activities.

Pictures of the 24-year-old -- who recently told the Detroit Free Press she was fasting for Ramadan while preparing for Miss Universe -- pole dancing surfaced shortly after she won the crown.

The shots were taken in 2007 at a dance contest, and included images of her working her way up a stripper pole in tight shorts and bopping around with dollar bills in her bra.

Read more: http://www.nypost.co...O#ixzz0xJNIKScO

I wonder how often she has to shave.

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No, true, but your assumption is that because someone says, I'm doing this in the name of allah, or whatever that this necessarily means that they are then representatives of that religion - they are not.

It takes a lot of education to convince people otherwise. As I've said in previous posts, as long as the media focus' on making Islam look evil, then you're going to get a lot of people feeling this way.

It's hard to convince people otherwise when all they see is 9/11, the wars in the middle east, and suicide bombers going into crowded streets/coffee shops, etc.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Right. Miss America may say she is Muslim but many of them don't agree she is because of her actions on stage parading around in a swim suit isn't modest. She also isn't the representative for all Muslims. She's supposed to be the representative for America for a year. I looked it up and her explanation was a sound byte. It makes me wonder what her motives are and if she really thought it through. This topic has turned out to be something more.

I think that if one is taught how to hate another then it is easier to fuel the fire of that hate because of fear of the unknown then to learn to love the other.

I don't know if anybody posted this yet but I saw it on someone's fb and thought it was funny and applied to here.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Cleocatra

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

She's supposed to be the representative for the Miss America Beauty Pageant for a year.

Fixed

And tonight she's supposed to represent the USA in the Miss Universe Beauty Pageant tonight.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Cleocatra

[Peikko 1,575]

It takes a lot of education to convince people otherwise. As I've said in previous posts, as long as the media focus' on making Islam look evil, then you're going to get a lot of people feeling this way.

It's hard to convince people otherwise when all they see is 9/11, the wars in the middle east, and suicide bombers going into crowded streets/coffee shops, etc.

Yes you are right, but isn't America better than that? I am disappointed in the popular reaction to this issue in the UK too but I am not surprised by it, for that reason, the media thrives on controversy (much like VJ OT)

Terrorism is not driven by religion at all, it is driven by power struggles. Religion can be used as a tool to control people, it would be hard to persuade an atheist to become a suicide bomber on the promise of 'better things' to come for example, but that should not mean that observers make the mistake of believing that the use of religion by people who have their own agenda taints those who adhere to the religion for genuinely spiritual reasons.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Madame Cleo

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No, true, but your assumption is that because someone says, I'm doing this in the name of allah, or whatever that this necessarily means that they are then representatives of that religion - they are not.

Guilt by association is a bad thing for sure, we all do it in some form. Whipping out the bigot or race card to make the point is a weakness of a persons attempt to shut down the argument.

[Peikko 1,575]

Guilt by association is a bad thing for sure, we all do it in some form. Whipping out the bigot or race card to make the point is a weakness of a persons attempt to shut down the argument.

Sometimes bigotry is the point, when it is, that's what has to be said - whether that has the effect of shutting down an argument I dispute entirely, it never has that effect - nor do the people who point out bigotry expect it to.

Sorry, I didn't mean to speak for anyone else, if I suggest that someone is guilty of bigotry for example, I don't expect that to be the end of the conversation - it never is.

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Sometimes bigotry is the point, when it is, that's what has to be said - whether that has the effect of shutting down an argument I dispute entirely, it never has that effect - nor do the people who point out bigotry expect it to.

Sorry, I didn't mean to speak for anyone else, if I suggest that someone is guilty of bigotry for example, I don't expect that to be the end of the conversation - it never is.

If Im gonna call someone a bigot it will be because I KNOW they are. To me that word along with racist are very strong words. I think personally that a few people here throw them around as bait cuz they know the strength they carry. There is a big difference between someone with strong beliefs about a subject and one who wants to kill people because they are of a different color or belief.

[Peikko 1,575]

If Im gonna call someone a bigot it will be because I KNOW they are. To me that word along with racist are very strong words. I think personally that a few people here throw them around as bait cuz they know the strength they carry. There is a big difference between someone with strong beliefs about a subject and one who wants to kill people because they are of a different color or belief.

Maybe some people do, I can't speak for anyone else but myself - mostly I see people using bigoted arguments - that may mean that they simply don't understand the issues they are debating or that they genuinely hold a group responsible for the actions of individuals, the former are not necessarily bigots, the latter most definitely are.

As to the argument that to be bigoted one must be prepared to kill someone over an issue, that's a misunderstanding of what bigotry is.

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Maybe some people do, I can't speak for anyone else but myself - mostly I see people using bigoted arguments - that may mean that they simply don't understand the issues they are debating or that they genuinely hold a group responsible for the actions of individuals, the former are not necessarily bigots, the latter most definitely are.

As to the argument that to be bigoted one must be prepared to kill someone over an issue, that's a misunderstanding of what bigotry is.

So tell me! give me a number that would make all people of a religion, color, sex ,race ,creed or whatever else you separate humans by guilty of an action? 30% ? 60% ? 80% ? or do all of them need to be verified? At some poimt shites gonna roll.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Col. Lingus

[Peikko 1,575]

So tell me! give me a number that would make all people of a religion, color, sex ,race ,creed or whatever else you separate humans by guilty of an action? 30% ? 60% ? 80% ? or do all of them need to be verified? At some poimt shites gonna roll.

There is no %, only those guilty of the act are guilty, period - that is one of the reasons why we have a justice system that acts against individuals not representatives of a group.