Muslim Miss USA:

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is it? In a democratic system, people will always want to protect themselves

collectively from the actions of the few.

Drugs are illegal for everyone because of the excesses of the few.

The blanket moratorium on offshore drilling punishes the innocent along with the guilty

for the actions of one reckless company (BP).

Sarbanes-Oxley punishes all public companies as a class for the sins of a few Enrons.

Collective punishment is a principle ingrained in our legal system, whether you want to

admit it or not.

Not against ethnic groups it isnt.

[Brad and Vika 129]

Posts containing and quoting hate speech removed.

[mawilson 2,133]

Not against ethnic groups it isnt.

Muslims are not an ethnic group - or a race.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Muslims are not an ethnic group - or a race.

Ethnicity is not race. Muslims are an ethnic group in the same sense that Jews are. Obviously there are ethnic differences between muslims from the MENA to those from the Far East.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I have no idea how that post got so fvcked up

[slim 1,530]

Are folks really lopping the 19 into the same group as the undewear bomber?

And if they are... how do you effectively "discriminate" against everyone who falls into that category?

[HappyKnappy 30]

Is it? In a democratic system, people will always want to protect themselves

collectively from the actions of the few.

Drugs are illegal for everyone because of the excesses of the few.

The blanket moratorium on offshore drilling punishes the innocent along with the guilty

for the actions of one reckless company (BP).

Sarbanes-Oxley punishes all public companies as a class for the sins of a few Enrons.

Collective punishment is a principle ingrained in our legal system, whether you want to

admit it or not.

That has nothing to do with democracy, more like survival. And, to add to this, people will want to protect from the negative actions of the few, meaning it's one sided. That will happen anywhere regardless of religion or pollitical views.

Drugs are illegal because of what they do to a person(both mentally and physically), not because of a few boneheads thst decided to snort some coke. Even if there was one heroin addict in the whole wide world it should be illegal, just because it will deteriorate a human life.

You can look at things as collective punishment in a legal system, sure. But, a legal system is a set of norms that rule over a society's behavior looking for the common good of its members (yeah, textbook - ish, but you get the picture), in a specific place, and specific time (because of reforms and addition of new laws).

Having said that, laws will regulate similar situations, and will impose pretty much the same consequences/penalties as such.

[mawilson 2,133]

Drugs are illegal because of what they do to a person(both mentally and physically)

Drugs don't do anything to a person who doesn't abuse them. Most drugs are used

mainly for their euphoric effects and are completely harmless if used in moderation.

Still, they are illegal because *some* people can turn something that isn't bad if used

in moderation, into a harmful addiction.

[mawilson 2,133]

it should be illegal, just because it will deteriorate a human life.

And how many lives are improved by the use of recreational drugs?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Muslims are not an ethnic group. Neither are Jews.

[Ban Hammer 13,508]

Muslims are not an ethnic group. Neither are Jews.

some people insist they are.

[nab 74]

this thread has had me laughing so much... till now

Drugs don't do anything to a person who doesn't abuse them. Most drugs are used

mainly for their euphoric effects and are completely harmless if used in moderation.

Still, they are illegal because *some* people can turn something that isn't bad if used

in moderation, into a harmful addiction.

And how many lives are improved by the use of recreational drugs?

Drugs DO something to a person (period). You say yourself they give "euphoric effects". When you live in la-la-land a person does NOT function with full capacity and as such they are not a good parent, good spouse, good citizen to the community. It is just not possible if a person is not in their right mind 100%.

NO drug can be used in "moderation", it changes your brain. "Harmless" drugs = pot? or would that be prescription meds taken when not really necessary? alcohol? None are "harmless"... even cigarettes. There is a term, perhaps you've heard of it, called "gateway drugs". It may take one person longer than the next but one thing does lead to another. Drugs also lower inhibitions... but that's a topic for another thread.

As for your second quote I suppose next time I visit down-home I can ask all the dope smokers how pot has improved their lives in their trailers, if they even own 'their own place'. Most drive POS junkers becasue dope is more important (as well as cigarettes and alcohol) and have dirty, neglected children because they're zoned out... but heck yeah! love that high, don't they. Much more important than responsibilities like work, children, spouse, community.

So in answer to your question: "how many lives are improved by the use of recreational drugs?" I answer NONE. For those "euphoric" group who would disagree I would say "look around at your loved ones and see how much pain, worry, and frustration you cause them, then tell me it's a 'harmless' thing".

[mawilson 2,133]

As for your second quote I suppose next time I visit down-home I can ask all the dope smokers how pot has improved their lives in their trailers, if they even own 'their own place'. Most drive POS junkers becasue dope is more important (as well as cigarettes and alcohol) and have dirty, neglected children because they're zoned out... but heck yeah! love that high, don't they. Much more important than responsibilities like work, children, spouse, community.

Generalize much?

[Heracles 417]

Ethnicity is not race. Muslims are an ethnic group in the same sense that Jews are. Obviously there are ethnic differences between muslims from the MENA to those from the Far East.

Islam is an ideology. The reality is that more than a few people who follow the religion, seem to think butchering others is acceptable. There are many thousands that have been killed in this last decade alone by people with such beliefs. Hardly a handful of extremist carrying these atrocities out now is there.

Of course this issue is not related to the building of the Mosque, it's to the response to Islam being peaceful. The actions of a large number of its followers and history suggests otherwise. Perhaps the violence and the burning down of buildings because of a Cartoon were fabricated too. I can post links to beheadings, were they staged too? Numerous scumbags were present in those videos too.

Once again, this comes down to all of your opinions. Since not all of x commits a crime, then the fact that x groups commit the majority of crime is not valid. Therefore, we do nothing until all commit the crime. Yet in reality, even if that was to happen, would have new excuses to cover that too like, like group y being to blame.

Edited August 22, 2010 by Heracles

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Islam is an ideology. The reality is that more than a few people who follow the religion, seem to think butchering others is acceptable. There are many thousands that have been killed in this last decade alone by people with such beliefs. Hardly a handful of extremist carrying these atrocities out now is there.

Of course this issue is not related to the building of the Mosque, it's to the response to Islam being peaceful. The actions of a large number of its followers and history suggests otherwise. Perhaps the violence and the burning down of buildings because of a Cartoon were fabricated too. I can post links to beheadings, were they staged too? Numerous scumbags were present in those videos too.

Once again, this comes down to all of your opinions. Since not all of x commits a crime, then the fact that x groups commit the majority of crime is not valid. Therefore, we do nothing until all commit the crime. Yet in reality, even if that was to happen, would have new excuses to cover that too like, like group y being to blame.

Park 51 and the people who are behind it should not be punished for the actions of the 9/11 hijackers.