Here We Go: Lesbian Couple Upset That 'Private Religious School' Denied Their Daughter...

[evli1966 88]

So you believe the literature of that school makes it quite clear that same sex union parents would not be welcome in that school?

None of the rest addresses any of the points I made - the school has a perfect right to be as prejudiced as they like, but it is not reasonable to assume that a christian school will be that way, in fact, as you said yourself, it's not being christian in its actions, so why should this couple have assumed that it would be? Why do the couple have no right to be upset because they made normal assumptions about a christian school?

Good Morning Cleo

I answered that with an answer to Mad.

If you have ever applied for a private school (especially christian schools) the literature you agree to before applying and in some cases an interview conducted is very upfront on expectations and standards.

They had to know before applying; now the unknown facts at this time is that if there is a board of review which reviews the application if denied intiially as sort of an appeal process. They may have thought through this process they would be admitted but there would not have been any guarntees.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So you think that the literature will openly say that students with gay parents aren't welcome?

[JohnSmith2007 353]

I very much doubt there was literature that said "we don't want kids from ####### families"

From the student handbook:

POLICIES RELATING TO PARENTS

3 GENERAL

St. Vincent’s School is a Christian school. The expectation is that our faculty, staff,

parents, and students will model Christian behavior in their interactions with each other.

St. Vincent’s School reserves the right to refuse services to or withdraw services from

individuals or families that do not behave appropriately.

It does not say that homosexual parents are not allowed but this should have been the parents first clue that they may have a problem. IMO they should have allowed the child to be enrolled so to follow the true tenets of Christianity, those being tolerance, forgiveness and loving your fellow man. It is un-Christian to punish a child for the perceived sins of the parents.

[HAL 9000 96]

It's a stupid reason to deny someone.

Yep, and its even crazier to call yourself anti-government intervention yet you are perfectly OK with allowing discrimination and just plain old attitude problems at the 'private entity' level. If you're going to be libertarian, at least work for a society that is based on the concept of liberty and not the denial thereof. I smell red herring yet again.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

From the student handbook:

It does not say that homosexual parents are not allowed but this should have been the parents first clue that they may have a problem. IMO they should have allowed the child to be enrolled so to follow the true tenets of Christianity, those being tolerance, forgiveness and loving your fellow man. It is un-Christian to punish a child for the perceived sins of the parents.

That's vague as hell. There's no way anyone could read that and come to a conclusion that their child would Not be welcome because the parents are gay.

The fact that you recognise that this is unchristian should be all the evidence you need for why someone else would reach a similar confusion.

Edited August 21, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[HAL 9000 96]

Heck if anything this 'Christian school' should at least attempt to reform this child from the evil and obvious influences of the sin of homosexuality to protect the child- since this is what they tend to believe.

[Peikko 1,575]

Good Morning Cleo

I answered that with an answer to Mad.

If you have ever applied for a private school (especially christian schools) the literature you agree to before applying and in some cases an interview conducted is very upfront on expectations and standards.

They had to know before applying; now the unknown facts at this time is that if there is a board of review which reviews the application if denied intiially as sort of an appeal process. They may have thought through this process they would be admitted but there would not have been any guarntees.

No one said there were any guarantees to anything. In your view then this couple were simply being ornery in order to gain media attention? They knew that the school would deny their application but they applied anyway in order to publicize the prejudice within the school and that all this being 'upset' about prejudice is manufactured? Or, they are simply stupid because they didn't do their homework properly and because of that, they have no right to be upset by acts of prejudice?

[Danno 1,228]

From the student handbook:

It does not say that homosexual parents are not allowed but this should have been the parents first clue that they may have a problem. IMO they should have allowed the child to be enrolled so to follow the true tenets of Christianity, those being tolerance, forgiveness and loving your fellow man. It is un-Christian to punish a child for the perceived sins of the parents.

Actually this has very little to do with THE CHILD.

Many of these private schools have learned that is parents are not in harmony with the standards being taught it just leads to conflict and the kid is in a worse situation after the parent yanks the kid out of school after the conflict.

Example: How will this parent help their child with homework should it touch on the subject of homosexuality?

These rules are to avoid conflict

[Peikko 1,575]

POLICIES RELATING TO PARENTS

3 GENERAL

St. Vincent’s School is a Christian school. The expectation is that our faculty, staff,

parents, and students will model Christian behavior in their interactions with each other.

St. Vincent’s School reserves the right to refuse services to or withdraw services from

individuals or families that do not behave appropriately.

Behaving appropriately can include a same sex union that is monogamous, many christian organizations are perfectly happy to accept such persons - reading that would not lead one to suppose that the school would discriminate against those in same sex monogamous unions.

Actually this has very little to do with THE CHILD.

Many of these private schools have learned that is parents are not in harmony with the standards being taught it just leads to conflict and the kid is in a worse situation after the parent yanks the kid out of school after the conflict.

Example: How will this parent help their child with homework should it touch on the subject of homosexuality?

These rules are to avoid conflict

Clearly only heterosexuals are competent to teach homophobia.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Again there's no way to reasonably know if the school is prejudiced against homosexuals. It's not exactly "Christian" is it.

[evli1966 88]

No one said there were any guarantees to anything. In your view then this couple were simply being ornery in order to gain media attention? They knew that the school would deny their application but they applied anyway in order to publicize the prejudice within the school and that all this being 'upset' about prejudice is manufactured? Or, they are simply stupid because they didn't do their homework properly and because of that, they have no right to be upset by acts of prejudice?

No; in my view they may have attempted an enrollment thinking there may be a waiver process that would allow them to be accepted. Whether it was intentionally with malice I do not know.

THey have no right to be upset with becasue the Church believes are prejudical to their own.

for that matter if they wanted to be Muslim would it be allowed since they live a homosexual livestyle...I would say not and there would be prejudicial views against them from this doctrine as well.

Further more

For those who do not know the bible is very clear

1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.

3: After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

4: Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.

5: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

6: None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.

7: The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

8: The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.

9: The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.

10: The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.

11: The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

12: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.

13: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.

14: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.

15: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

16: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.

17: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

18: Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.

19: Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.

20: Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.

21: And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

23: Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

24: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

25: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

26: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

27: (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

28: That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

29: For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

30: Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not

yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

POLICIES RELATING TO PARENTS

3 GENERAL

St. Vincent’s School is a Christian school. The expectation is that our faculty, staff,

parents, and students will model Christian behavior in their interactions with each other.

St. Vincent’s School reserves the right to refuse services to or withdraw services from

individuals or families that do not behave appropriately.

Behaving appropriately can include a same sex union that is monogamous, many christian organizations are perfectly happy to accept such persons - reading that would not lead one to suppose that the school would discriminate against those in same sex monogamous unions.

While I don't agree with it that statement in the handbook is their version of "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" sign. At this point the parents should just find a better school. If their goal is to give the child a Christian education then they should find a school that really teaches Christianity rather than intolerance.

[Peikko 1,575]

No; in my view they may have attempted an enrollment thinking there may be a waiver process that would allow them to be accepted. Whether it was intentionally with malice I do not know.

THey have no right to be upset with becasue the Church believes are prejudical to their own.

for that matter if they wanted to be Muslim would it be allowed since they live a homosexual livestyle...I would say not and there would be prejudicial views against them from this doctrine as well.

Further more

For those who do not know the bible is very clear

Please clarify, as that stands it make no sense.

Why the introduction of this redherring about being a muslim? That is totally and utterly irrelevant.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

No; in my view they may have attempted an enrollment thinking there may be a waiver process that would allow them to be accepted. Whether it was intentionally with malice I do not know.

THey have no right to be upset with becasue the Church believes are prejudical to their own.

for that matter if they wanted to be Muslim would it be allowed since they live a homosexual livestyle...I would say not and there would be prejudicial views against them from this doctrine as well.

Further more

For those who do not know the bible is very clear

1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.

3: After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

4: Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.

5: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

6: None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.

7: The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

8: The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.

9: The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.

10: The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.

11: The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

12: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.

13: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.

14: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.

15: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

16: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.

17: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

18: Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.

19: Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.

20: Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.

21: And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

23: Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

24: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

25: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

26: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

27: (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

28: That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

29: For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

30: Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not

yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.

Those are old testament laws and unless your Jewish they do not apply to Christians. Jesus came to earth to make a new covenant with man. It didn't include hatred and intolerance.

[Danno 1,228]

POLICIES RELATING TO PARENTS

3 GENERAL

St. Vincent’s School is a Christian school. The expectation is that our faculty, staff,

parents, and students will model Christian behavior in their interactions with each other.

St. Vincent’s School reserves the right to refuse services to or withdraw services from

individuals or families that do not behave appropriately.

Behaving appropriately can include a same sex union that is monogamous, many christian organizations are perfectly happy to accept such persons - reading that would not lead one to suppose that the school would discriminate against those in same sex monogamous unions.

Clearly only heterosexuals are competent to teach homophobia.

Not quite.... much education can be gained from "observation" of the subject matter as well.

Edited August 21, 2010 by Danno