What do you believe about Muslims and Islam?

[Heracles 417]

Why would it be nice if you advocated killing everyone? I was pointing out that even in extreme situations like war zones innocents are not targeted, indeed people go out of their way to try to protect them.

Reference the mosque, that is exactly what this does amount to, a witch hunt. You want the people who want to build this mosque to pay for the sins of the terrorists and you have the gall to call that a reasonable response to misguided muslims? No BY, you can't persecute people on this basis.

Two separate discusison here that are not interrelated. This is no different in the attempt to blur legal and illegal immigration and claim people are simply anti-immigrant. It's disingenuous cunning Bullcrap.

If someone does not want innocent Muslims to be targeted, then they join in the fight against terrorism. As long as thousands of these people carry out atrocities in the name if Islam, Islam will be the target. End of story.

Most of you here repetitively fail to explain if this is not a ideological movement, then who and why is the US and European coalition still fighting in Afghan? Though I am sure, you guys probably want us out of there too.

Thankfully the fate of me and my family does not lie in your hands or your complacency in understanding the real world out there. Which contrary to what you want it to be, is not a world of tea and scones. It's a world where people just the other day were beheaded and hung from bridges for all to see. The last thing on these victims and their families mind is being harassed.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Heracles

[Peikko 1,575]

Two separate discusison here that are not interrelated. This is no different in the attempt to blur legal and illegal immigration and claim people are simply anti-immigrant. It's disingenuous cunning Bullcrap.

If someone does not want innocent Muslims to be targeted, then they join in the fight against terrorism. As long as thousands of these people carry out atrocities in the name if Islam, Islam will be the target. End of story.

Most of you here repetitively fail to explain if this is not a ideological movement, then who and why is the US and European coalition still fighting in Afghan? Though I am sure, you guys probably want us out of there too.

Thankfully the fate of me and my family does not lie in your hands or your complacency in understanding the real world out there. Which contrary to what you want it to be, is not a world of tea and scones. It's a world where people just the other day were beheaded and hung from bridges for all to see. The last thing on these victims and their families mind is being harassed.

I'm not going to go into a long discussion on the aims of the Afghan war BY - this thread is not about that, but needless to say, I don't think anyone believes that the US and European coalition is trying to convert Afghanis to christianity. Do you believe that?

The rest of your post is irrelevant and unnecessarily provocative, you have made absolutely no move to explain why it is ok to persecute American moslems for the actions of people who are not US citizens.

Edited August 23, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[LaL 418]

If someone does not want innocent Muslims to be targeted, then they join in the fight against terrorism. As long as thousands of these people carry out atrocities in the name if Islam, Islam will be the target. End of story.

i hereby stomp all over this anthill and do so in the name of Gerald! Now thusly all shall blame Geralds of the werld!

[^_^ 5,021]

I know a Gerald. I'm going to go set his house on fire now. Revenge for the anthill.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That would be nice if I advocated killing anyone.

It's okay I get it, ending up a victim is simply collateral damage of a free society. Inconveniencing someone with due reason on the other hand, is apparently worse then the holocaust. It's why in your opinion as well as others, ensuring people in the ghetto are not inconvenienced, takes precedence over proactively insuring Americans don't end up victims - as in not dead - in the first place. According to one poster, Cleveland's murder rate for example, is apparently worth the price of freedom.

This is not a witch hunt against Muslims, it's in direct response to the actions of misguided Muslim factions, who want to kill and have killed large volumes of people with differing beliefs.

So what exactly are you suggesting with your cancer analogy when you say that healthy cells should suffer in order to cut out the cancer?

[Ban Hammer 13,343]

I know a Gerald. I'm going to go set his house on fire now. Revenge for the anthill.

unless it's fire ants, then that was ok.

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unless it's fire ants, then that was ok.

No, ants are ants. I don't do subtlety.

Nuance is the ultimate librul value.

[^_^ 5,021]

90% of Muslims live in the nebulous west.

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[Sofiyya 1,687]

You do realize that there are Buddhist terrorists right?

And Catholic terrorists in Latin America.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

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It's like the Wild West, but with mist.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

90% of Muslims live in the nebulous west. It clearly lowers your intelligence, and those of the 8 people who applauded your post, to be so hateful against 1/5 of the world's population.

You're a liar anyway. I proved that.

Zealots come in all forms. Can we at least agree the zealots are a big part of the problem? After all, a true seeker is never satisfied with the answers he finds.

[Amby 490]

True enough, but when it comes to American citizens that practice the muslim religion, why on earth should that be relevant? Muslims in the US are not responsible for disproportionately large volumes of violence, in fact it's probably the reverse so seeing them as dangerous or provocative is persecution.

I really don't know enough about Islam to really form an opinion. I've had two world religion type classes but that's as far as my religious education goes.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I really don't know enough about Islam to really form an opinion. I've had two world religion type classes but that's as far as my religious education goes.

That's probably two more class than most of the posters in this thread have taken.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

No, they have involved countries that have large populations of muslims - that in no way means that the muslim religion is the driving force behind these conflicts.

The US has been at war, killing brown non-Christian civilians, somewhere in the world most of my life. The US is made up of mostly White Christians. Should the world hate White Christians, or should White Christians be surprised if they are disliked by most of the world?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Good heavens. I do know the history. Heracles brought up the recent conflict there specifically quoted as a Muslim fueled aggression. The United Nations War Crimes Tribunal has also classified it as a genocide against the Muslims.

If we went to dig all the way through history I think we'll find countless examples of pretty much every major religion behaving contrary to the "golden rule". No one has a monopoly on good or bad behaviour.

I posted several articles on the massacres and war crimes by Christians against Muslims in Bosnia last night. I know BY saw them, but he now has selective memory.

Is this even accurate? I've read nothing of the sort. It appears that he actually united the city and signed peace treaties with the previously fighting inhabitants.

No, it's not accurate. She makes sh!t up.

There's good ones and there's bad ones just like in all religions. The things the "bad" ones do overpower any good stuff that we may hear about them.

Bad people make news. That's a basic tenet of journalism.