Construction Workers Vow Not to Build NYC Mosque

[Harsh_77 718]

More jobs Americans won't do?

Well Americans have right to choose too what they will and wht they wont do?

Why is it fair when a muslim woman fights with Disney for Disney not allowing her to wear headscarf and its not fair when American workers choose not to do this construction work?

May be as per its against their religion to construct such building?

And if the muslim community really wants to spend $100 million there are lot better way then building a mosque and calling it communal center.

Why not divert those $100 million for ppl affected by flood in pakistan? hmmmmm didnt allah teach to be humanitarian???

[Harsh_77 718]

It doesn't matter what we think or the moderate sane Muslims think. The reality is that there is a significant number of people who think the west is evil and that it's their destiny to destroy it. I see your point in a way, as it's not Islam per say that is teaching [promoting] this.

This means, it's not us you need to convince, it's the people who assume it's their destiny to do Allah's work. After all, it wasn't one crazy guy that orchestrated 9/11 or has fought the US for seven years now in Iraq and Afghan.

Sofiya - why dont you spend more of your time educating those who think west is evil and its their destiny to destroy west, instead of asking other ppl on here to show where in islam it talks about violence and extrimism.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Presumably because the violent extremists aren't on VJ. Plenty of anti Muslim prejudice though.

How many terrorists or religious extremists do you know in real life?

Edited August 24, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[Harsh_77 718]

From the Shakir translation:

Regarding fighting disbelievers:

Chapter 2, verse 191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter...

Chapter 2, verse 193: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah.

Chapter 4, verse 89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Ok, this is a very small sampling. There are many other examples where Muslims are called on to fight against disbelievers, and establish Islam as the only religion on earth. There's no point digging out all of the verses. We both know they are there.

To be fair, there are just as many objectionable verses in the Bible (mostly the old testament), and extremist Christians can be just as dangerous as extremist Muslims. I think the most notable difference is that most Christians don't believe that God himself penned the Bible exactly as it is written, while Muslims believe that Allah himself is the literal author of the Quran, and Muhammed was simply a messenger. Christians have some wiggle room for interpretation (hence the many versions of the Bible), but Muslims have very little wiggle room - there is only one Quran.

The problem is with Muslims who read the Quran literally, and take each verse as a personal command to themselves to take action exactly as described. Because the new testament largely mitigates the vengeful and violent God of the old testament, most serious scholars of the Bible don't become violent extremists (with some very notable exceptions). The same doesn't happen with serious scholars of the Quran because it doesn't contain any verses to abrogate the violent verses, leaving them to conclude that the orders from Allah still stand - fight against the disbelievers, kill them if you must, and establish Islam as the only religion on earth. The Quran virtually promises that this must happen before Muhammed and Jesus can return.

My personal opinion is that both books are fairy tales, and neither of them serve mankind in a totally positive way. By the same token, I don't believe that radical Christianity is nearly as dangerous as radical Islamism, at least not when either are driven by a literal interpretation of their scriptures.

Jim – I think you have covered the topic perfectly as you do with your immigration advice.

Yet I can guarantee you that nothing you said will ever matter, as ppl who think islam is the most peaceful religion will continue to do so, even when they know from inside that its wrong.

[Harsh_77 718]

Presumably because the violent extremists aren't on VJ. Plenty of anti Muslim prejudice though.

How many terrorists or religious extremists do you know in real life?

How can you say there are plenty of anti muslim, when you have equal number for muslims as well.

Unfortunately Sofiya started couple religious related threads and there will be strong sentiments on both side.

Again this is the major problem, you always feel rest of the world has to align to your idea of religion and god, why cant you guys step out and say it ok there can be other god and religion and they can be right and they can choose whatever they want to do.

Why cant that be ever a message from muslim?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not on here there isn't. There is clear anti Muslim bigotry on display.

The point of this thread, as I see it, was to underline what lies behind peoples opposition to Islam and things like the Park 51 project. Clearly accusations of bigotry were not unfounded and many of the people who complain about being labelled that way are only unhappy about being called out for what they are.

[Harsh_77 718]

Not on here there isn't. There is clear anti Muslim bigotry on display.

The point of this thread, as I see it, was to underline what lies behind peoples opposition to Islam and things like the Park 51 project. Clearly accusations of bigotry were not unfounded and many of the people who complain about being labelled that way are only unhappy about being called out for what they are.

Hahahaha - its like non muslim cannot call you guys extremist, but you can feel free to call the non muslim extremist.

Are there shortage of mosque in NY area?? Then why is this $100 project required?

If you think this is nothing but a publicity stunt, the creator of these project knew how much publicity it would give them, I dont think they are stupid.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't either, but I really could care less about their reasons for wanting to build it several blocks away from ground zero. It shouldn't be controversial but it is because the media has turned it into a circus.

[Harsh_77 718]

I don't either, but I really could care less about their reasons for wanting to build it several blocks away from ground zero. It shouldn't be controversial but it is because the media has turned it into a circus.

I know it couple of blocks away from the ground zero.I am also aware the current neighborhood has the strip clubs. But this project was just designed to create publicity.

It was easy way to draw attention to islam and get sympathy.

I have raised this question not on just this one project but others in past where, how come muslim community would not pledge that much money to support ppl in Afghanistan or Pakistan for helping ppl from natural calamities.

I have never got a single answer for that.

When we call we are peace loving ppl, we have solid evidence, it has been proven over and over 26/11 was conspired by pak govt and yet when they were hit by floods, India was there to help them financially.

Last year when they were hit by earthquake in north, Indian army and helicopters were there to help the civilians.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why would you? Do most people impoverish themselves for charitable causes? No, they do not.

Which proves precisely nothing.

Edited August 24, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[Harsh_77 718]

Why would you? Do most people impoverish themselves for charitable causes? No, they do not.

Which proves precisely nothing.

I was Just trying to showcase how when an argument breaks out between muslim and non muslim, every muslim will say islam is very peaceful and humanitarian.

All the religion teaches is to respect others and help them in hard time and on and on……….

When it comes to putting it to practice they run away from humanitarian ideas, yet they claim the religion is of peace and love.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

More anti-Muslim rhetoric from people who claim not to be anti-Muslim. Just another day on VJ.

[Ban Hammer 13,343]

More anti-Muslim rhetoric from people who claim not to be anti-Muslim. Just another day on VJ.

WELCOME TO VJ

[thongd4me 69]

All they need is a minority (dare I say that?) of guys who want to put food on the table

and who want to be in the good graces of their wives & children.

It will get done.

When your lifestyle is threatened, solidarity often takes a back seat.

Now for that synagogue in Mecca, maybe some of the guys on strike here can have a hand in building that.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

All they need is a minority (dare I say that?) of guys who want to put food on the table

and who want to be in the good graces of their wives & children.

It will get done.

When your lifestyle is threatened, solidarity often takes a back seat.

Now for that synagogue in Mecca, maybe some of the guys on strike here can have a hand in building that.

While they're at it, they can also build a masjid and a synogogue at the Vatican.