Intolerant People Who Call People "Bigots"

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I'm having some carnitas Steve.

Sounds like a plan, brother.

My boyfriend and I had breakfast burritos at this hole in the wall joint in Burbank this morning. Soooooo good. Tonight will be leftover roast chicken and apple pie from our 1 month anniversary dinner.

Awww....well, enjoy your delicious foods!

[William33 110]

This thread is quickly derailing. Those parties that continue the insults, will be banned from the thread.

[Heracles 417]

This thread is quickly derailing. Those parties that continue the insults, will be banned from the thread.

It's always been a challenge for some to discuss the actual topic rather than the poster or their opinion of them.

[Peikko 1,575]

I am more concerned about the people being killed [the victims] of crime, than the treatment of these dirtbags. Come to think of it, had I been racist, I would have laughed at this crime, as the majority of victims in Ghettos are AA. Yet strange, I am the one most vocal about it. These murders sure as hell do not affect me out here in the comfortable burbs.

Evidently this so-called racist is the one asking ####### is going on in these communities. Demanding to know why a family should live in fear and sleep in the center of their house, [out of fear] of their children being killed, due to stray bullets. Where the hell is the freedom there? Guilty as charge for being more concerned about that than sentencing.

Hang the #### in public and I guarantee you, no one with an IQ higher than a rock will dare try it. Spare me the inhumane rubbish, inhumane in 2010 is the aforementioned living in constant fear of their lives. All while you and I live it up in the burbs. With the toughest part of our day being to ponder whether we water the Azaleas or not, since it might rain.

Being concerned about victims of crime does not preclude you from seeking to understand the causes of crime, in fact ignoring the causes of crime really does the victims a disservice in so far as doing so could arguably result in more victims. I am at least as concerned as you are for the safety of anyone who lives in a constant state of fear but an irrational hatred of the criminals does nothing to stop that. There are many things that have gone wrong in society that have produced pockets of poverty that seed a specific type of anti-social crime and these things should be addressed but simply raving on about gang bangers serves no useful purpose.

BY, if all you were saying is that there is a problem with homicide in America, then you would get unanimous support, but that's not what you do, you seek to establish differences in criminal behaviour based on entirely spurious 'racial' lines - you are so sure that the statistical data showing a disproportionately large number of black and latino Americans incarcerated for homicide points to some failing in black and latino culture and yet in reality these differences could be explained in any number of ways that have absolutely nothing to do with any ethnic specific meme.

What is worse is that you think that some kind of 'namby pamby liberal' response to crime has made things infinitely worse, hence why you get angry when people like me don't join in your hate filled rhetoric. Sorry BY, it's not my fault, nor is it the fault of a too liberal justice system - would that the answers were so simple, so easy to implement. All America has to do is install a few stocks, whipping posts and gallows and problem solved, right?

[HappyKnappy 30]

Actually food was brought in at post 295.

And I rest my case...

[William33 110]

As stated earlier, if there is a specific issue of concern, please use the report button under the item.

[William33 110]

One post removed and one warned member removed from the thread.

Edited August 21, 2010 by William33

[Peikko 1,575]

there's a little "report" button for you to question it.

Don't see what's wrong with gringo or any other silly term though personally...

Personally, I could not care less who calls who what, name calling is relatively benign in my opinion. However, if someone can be suspended for calling another person a #######, I would have thought that someone else could be suspended for continual use of 'gringo' as an insult, even though it is spectacularly inappropriately applied.

[William33 110]

Personally, I could not care less who calls who what, name calling is relatively benign in my opinion. However, if someone can be suspended for calling another person a #######, I would have thought that someone else could be suspended for continual use of 'gringo' as an insult, even though it is spectacularly inappropriately applied.

The application of certain words can be a TOS violation, depending on the context in which it was delivered. Since you have pointed it out MC, I will take a look.

[Heracles 417]

Being concerned about victims of crime does not preclude you from seeking to understand the causes of crime, in fact ignoring the causes of crime really does the victims a disservice in so far as doing so could arguably result in more victims. I am at least as concerned as you are for the safety of anyone who lives in a constant state of fear but an irrational hatred of the criminals does nothing to stop that. There are many things that have gone wrong in society that have produced pockets of poverty that seed a specific type of anti-social crime and these things should be addressed but simply raving on about gang bangers serves no useful purpose.

BY, if all you were saying is that there is a problem with homicide in America, then you would get unanimous support, but that's not what you do, you seek to establish differences in criminal behaviour based on entirely spurious 'racial' lines - you are so sure that the statistical data showing a disproportionately large number of black and latino Americans incarcerated for homicide points to some failing in black and latino culture and yet in reality these differences could be explained in any number of ways that have absolutely nothing to do with any ethnic specific meme.

What is worse is that you think that some kind of 'namby pamby liberal' response to crime has made things infinitely worse, hence why you get angry when people like me don't join in your hate filled rhetoric. Sorry BY, it's not my fault, nor is it the fault of a too liberal justice system - would that the answers were so simple, so easy to implement. All America has to do is install a few stocks, whipping posts and gallows and problem solved, right?

I think it's safe to assume people who randomly kill have no fear of the law, nor any regard for their community or human life. With that in mind, do you really think someone like that can be reasoned with. I guess you would be one of those who agree then that had we not gone to Iraq, they would not have to behead captured prisoners.

You have to set an example with such people, so that other potentials can learn and ponder the consequences. Even torturing someone to death behind closed doors is pointless, as those contemplating committing a crime are not there see it or experience the punishment themselves. It's no coincidence that countries like Singapore also have extremely low crime rates, almost the lowest homicide rate per capita in the world actually.

How can you analyze the cause when you guys do not even want to acknowledge who is responsible for the crimes? No rational point in studying the burbs, where murders occur a few times a year, now is there. Yet for the average lib, damn straight we should analyze the burbs, in order to be equal of course. Waste of time and money.

To be frank, I don't care what the reason is for someone to shoot up neighborhoods, as they do not have any rational reason to do so whatsoever; apart from the aforementioned reasons earlier - uncivilized behavior that has become the norm.

What you guys do is fail to ask why the homicide rate of people in the exact same socieconomics in the UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, Ireland, Japan, Singapore etc is nowhere near that of their equivalents in the US.

Under the circumstances and with all things being equal, attitude and culture is the first thing that needs to be analyzed. After all, a no-snitch rules is pretty good example of a problems cultural roots; with the exact opposite being the case in the middle-class burbs.

[Peikko 1,575]

I have to say I really don't understand the moderation on VJ OT. I get that it can only be moderated if it is reported, but what that means is that if person a) does not give a toss about being called a wanker, for sake of argument, then the post stands, but if person b is mortally offended by being called a wanker and presses the report button that post can be and is removed and the person doing the name calling optionally suspended. Yet, reams of hate speech are left untouched because no one seems competent to make an unbiased judgment on what constitutes hate speech. I'm baffled by it all and would prefer everything to stand untouched.

[William33 110]

The application of certain words can be a TOS violation, depending on the context in which it was delivered. Since you have pointed it out MC, I will take a look.

As a follow up, I don't see the recent application of that particular word as a TOS violation. Other Mods may disagree, which further advances the benefit of the report button. When that happens, all Mods can see the issue and discuss if required.

Edited August 21, 2010 by William33

[Heracles 417]

Just a quick question to the moderators, is BY allowed to happily sling the term 'gringo' around because he is so gloriously wrong in his application of this insult?

Gringo is a slang Spanish and Portuguese word used in Spanish-speaking and Portuguese countries, principally in Latin America, to denote foreigners, often from the United States or the United Kingdom (but not in Brazil where the term has no particular relation to the USA and it applies to any foreigner, including other latin-americans). The term can be applied to someone who is actually a foreigner, or it can denote a strong association or assimilation into foreign (particularly US) society and culture.

The American Heritage Dictionary classifies gringo as "offensive slang," "usually disparaging," and "often disparaging."[1] However, the term can also be used to simply identify a foreigner and does not carry a negative connotation according to the definition in the dictionary of the Spanish Royal Academy which defines the Spanish language.

[Peikko 1,575]

I think it's safe to assume people who randomly kill have no fear of the law, nor any regard for their community or human life. With that in mind, do you really think someone like that can be reasoned with. I guess you would be one of those who agree then that had we not gone to Iraq, they would not have to behead captured prisoners.

You have to set an example with such people, so that other potentials can learn and ponder the consequences. Even torturing someone to death behind closed doors is pointless, as those contemplating committing a crime are not there see it or experience the punishment themselves. It's no coincidence that countries like Singapore also have extremely low crime rates, almost the lowest homicide rate per capita in the world actually.

How can you analyze the cause when you guys do not even want to acknowledge who is responsible for the crimes? No rational point in studying the burbs, where murders occur a few times a year, now is there. Yet for the average lib, damn straight we should analyze the burbs, in order to be equal of course. Waste of time and money.

To be frank, I don't care what the reason is for someone to shoot up neighborhoods, as they do not have any rational reason to do so whatsoever; apart from the aforementioned reasons earlier - uncivilized behavior that has become the norm.

What you guys do is fail to ask why the homicide rate of people in the exact same socieconomics in the UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, Ireland, Japan, Singapore etc is nowhere near that of their equivalents in the US.

Under the circumstances and with all things being equal, attitude and culture is the first thing that needs to be analyzed. After all, a no-snitch rules is pretty good example of a problems cultural roots; with the exact opposite being the case in the middle-class burbs.

Where did I say that murders need to be 'reasoned with'? As that is such a fail at the start of the post, I'd like you to address that on its own because if the rest follows on from that failed comprehension of where I stand, replying to it on any level would be a waste of my time.

[Heracles 417]

I have to say I really don't understand the moderation on VJ OT. I get that it can only be moderated if it is reported, but what that means is that if person a) does not give a toss about being called a wanker, for sake of argument, then the post stands, but if person b is mortally offended by being called a wanker and presses the report button that post can be and is removed and the person doing the name calling optionally suspended. Yet, reams of hate speech are left untouched because no one seems competent to make an unbiased judgment on what constitutes hate speech. I'm baffled by it all and would prefer everything to stand untouched.

Basically what you are saying is that anything that paints a group's actions and behavior in a negative light, is hate speech. Perhaps we should never post anything about Mexico's homicide rate, because the focus of Mexico is considered hate speech to yourself.

Surely the person advocating for such a strict restriction of free speech cannot be the same person demanding Disney cater for the beliefs of someone else.