Freedom of speech

[Captain Oates 911]

In both England and the US, there is a constitutional right of free speech.

In the UK it is the bill of rights - the act of settlement 1689

In the US it is the 1st amendment

This is limited in the UK by various acts of parliament so that screaming 'you are a murderer' at a small Muslim child will result in an arrest.

In the US, the line is drawn at shouting 'fire' in a theatre which will get you arrested

Is the line drawn in the correct place in the US ?

We have had people screaming insults at parents when they were burying their soldier son.

Now we have this stuff:

If someone comes up to me and says they are going to kill me then they commit an offense.

Surely the line needs to be moved. An absolute right to say anything to anyone at any time in any place is not established in either country or any country that I know of..

This is the story of them abusing children in the street - no arrests

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/%E2%80%9Cjesus-hates-muslims%E2%80%9D/

Edited August 18, 2010 by saywhat

[Obama 2012 1,714]

words are words. You have the right to offend, just as much as you have the right to be offended, but you have no such right to stop one or the other.

[Captain Oates 911]

words are words. You have the right to offend, just as much as you have the right to be offended, but you have no such right to stop one or the other.

I am sure that issuing threats - which are merely words - is illegal in all of the US

Same as extortion, blackmail etc. These are merely words too.

So where is the line with threatening behaviour ?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I am sure that issuing threats - which are merely words - is illegal in all of the US

Same as extortion, blackmail etc. These are merely words too.

So where is the line with threatening behaviour ?

depends on where you are. I mean threats can a lot of times be ignored if there's no "real intent" felt by authorities....

blackmail and extortion... Well, I am fine with those things as people ultimately make the choices to be extorted/blackmailed.. they could just as easily come clean about whatever someone is holding of their head.

[Captain Oates 911]

depends on where you are. I mean threats can a lot of times be ignored if there's no "real intent" felt by authorities....

blackmail and extortion... Well, I am fine with those things as people ultimately make the choices to be extorted/blackmailed.. they could just as easily come clean about whatever someone is holding of their head.

Would you complain to the Police if someone stopped your child in the street and screamed "murderer" in the child's face ?

Would you expect there to be a law prohibiting this behaviour ?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Would you complain to the Police if someone stopped your child in the street and screamed "murderer" in the child's face ?

Would you expect there to be a law prohibiting this behaviour ?

I'd get my child away from the situation, but if someone truly believes and feels the need to call a child that... then that's their thing I suppose.

[_Simpson_ 250]

In both England and the US, there is a constitutional right of free speech.

In the UK it is the bill of rights - the act of settlement 1689

In the US it is the 1st amendment

This is limited in the UK by various acts of parliament so that screaming 'you are a murderer' at a small Muslim child will result in an arrest.

In the US, the line is drawn at shouting 'fire' in a theatre which will get you arrested

Is the line drawn in the correct place in the US ?

We have had people screaming insults at parents when they were burying their soldier son.

Now we have this stuff:

If someone comes up to me and says they are going to kill me then they commit an offense.

Surely the line needs to be moved. An absolute right to say anything to anyone at any time in any place is not established in either country or any country that I know of..

This is the story of them abusing children in the street - no arrests

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/%E2%80%9Cjesus-hates-muslims%E2%80%9D/

The UK banned Savage, in your opinion is the line in the UK drawn in the correct place?

[Captain Oates 911]

The UK banned Savage, in your opinion is the line in the UK drawn in the correct place?

The UK has quite extensive laws against race hate etc.

For instance, if I were to stand at the side of the road and shout "you are a fat ####### and I hate you" then I would no doubt be arrested for disorderly conduct or such

If I was to shout " all <choose a race> stink and should be rounded up and thrown out" I would similarly be arrested.

As I understand it, this is not the case in the USA

I am wondering which sytem VJ people prefer ?

[_Simpson_ 250]

The UK has quite extensive laws against race hate etc.

For instance, if I were to stand at the side of the road and shout "you are a fat ####### and I hate you" then I would no doubt be arrested for disorderly conduct or such

If I was to shout " all <choose a race> stink and should be rounded up and thrown out" I would similarly be arrested.

As I understand it, this is not the case in the USA

I am wondering which sytem VJ people prefer ?

If you shout it on a radio would it be considered disorderly conduct, theirs fundamental differences here. I take it you agree with the decision.

I bet you cant guess which system this VJer prefers.

Edited August 18, 2010 by _Simpson_

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The UK has quite extensive laws against race hate etc.

For instance, if I were to stand at the side of the road and shout "you are a fat ####### and I hate you" then I would no doubt be arrested for disorderly conduct or such

If I was to shout " all <choose a race> stink and should be rounded up and thrown out" I would similarly be arrested.

As I understand it, this is not the case in the USA

I am wondering which sytem VJ people prefer ?

I prefer the system currently in place in the US.

[mawilson 2,133]

I prefer the system currently in place in the US.

Me too.

Being a hater and racist, I believe that hate and racist speech should be legal.

Edited August 18, 2010 by mawilson

[Captain Oates 911]

In most countries there is a broadcasting standards authority that would deal with radio and TV and I would think there is something similar in the US that would limit what could be said or shown.

I doubt if there are advertising standards in the US having seen some of the claims for various products.

[Darnell 8,478]

words are words. You have the right to offend, just as much as you have the right to be offended, but you have no such right to stop one or the other.

Are you studying the new hate speech crimes and laws? A cop has the right to arrest someone on this, if the locality has the laws on it's books.

A judge has the right to levy a sentence, if one is convicted of the crime.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Seems if we draw the line anywhere it will open up to where that line could be moved repeatedly until saying anything unless it has been preapproved can mean getting arrested. I may not approve of many things that are said but I know that many have died to give us the right to speak our minds.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Are you studying the new hate speech crimes and laws? A cop has the right to arrest someone on this, if the locality has the laws on it's books.

A judge has the right to levy a sentence, if one is convicted of the crime.

No one is going to arrest you for dropping a racial slur.

Hate crimes/speech laws only apply when a dangerous situation is created/a threat is apparent.