Double-Dip Recession a 'Virtual Certainty'

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

No argument exists with that, not sure why you are trying to create one.

Read where I said employers eliminated it, in case you missed that.

The point was that if employers had not eliminated job security then more spending and less belt tightening would be happening and they wouldnt NEED to scale back because of lack of spending.

How can you eliminate something that doesnt exist?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The point was that if employers had not eliminated job security then more spending and less belt tightening would be happening and they wouldnt NEED to scale back because of lack of spending.

How can you eliminate something that doesnt exist?

There used to be a time - in the not so distant past -when companies valued their employees as assets rather than just making hollow statements to that effect. Companies used to be loyal to their workforce and invest in it and the workforce, in turn, used to be loyal to their employers. Many worked for the same company their entire career; and had a career at a single company - retirement benefits and all. Today, staff is often considered as disposable and replaceable as office furniture and for most of the employed, the best way to enhance one's career is to leave your employer for the competition. Leave on good terms and come back after awhile and you'll have boosted your salary far more than you'd ever have been able to by sticking around.

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Today, staff is often considered as disposable and replaceable as office furniture ...

We're not even people even more. We're human resources now. Or my other favorite, human capital.

Edited August 17, 2010 by Legacy member

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

We're not even people even more. We're human resources now. Or my other favorite, human capital.

We're still people in corporate propaganda and sales pitches.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

We're not even people even more. We're human resources now. Or my other favorite, human capital.

The reason I say job security "doesnt exist" is because of the possibility of failure due to outside events. The economy (depression) competition, consolidation, redundancy in tasks. I work for a very large Japanese corp. My job security comes from my performance numbers. I am always in the top 100 out of 600 nationwide but I totally realize I am not 100% secure due to the fact mentioned above.

Big dog, I think you will find layoffs and firings were also the norm in the not so distant past.

We all have a choice of what we want to do. So if you feel like corporate meat then leave.

Edited August 17, 2010 by Col. Lingus

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The reason I say job security "doesnt exist" is because of the possibility of failure due to outside events. The economy (depression) competition, consolidation, redundancy in tasks. I work for a very large Japanese corp. My job security comes from my performance numbers. I am always in the top 100 out of 600 nationwide but I totally realize I am not 100% secure due to the fact mentioned above.

I hear you. My job has felt "unsafe" for over a year now. Plenty of layoffs around me, I'm starting to feel a little blessed that I haven't been touched yet. The one thing I've noticed around here is it has little to do with performance. Low performers get fired every year anyway. But the people getting laid off have mostly been highly paid, mostly people with a lot of seniority and who were in the pension plan (which they got rid of before I even started). Laying them off saves the company a lottttt of money.

BTW if you don't mind me asking - what do you do?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I hear you. My job has felt "unsafe" for over a year now. Plenty of layoffs around me, I'm starting to feel a little blessed that I haven't been touched yet. The one thing I've noticed around here is it has little to do with performance. Low performers get fired every year anyway. But the people getting laid off have mostly been highly paid, mostly people with a lot of seniority and who were in the pension plan (which they got rid of before I even started). Laying them off saves the company a lottttt of money.

BTW if you don't mind me asking - what do you do?

My company has been on a acquisition binge for two years now which is good but the redundancies are a bit scary. I am confident that my abilities and customer service will get me through.

To answer your question. I Service\connect\sell office equipment. Fax\copier\wide format\printers\high speed duplicators.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The reason I say job security "doesnt exist" is because of the possibility of failure due to outside events. The economy (depression) competition, consolidation, redundancy in tasks. I work for a very large Japanese corp. My job security comes from my performance numbers. I am always in the top 100 out of 600 nationwide but I totally realize I am not 100% secure due to the fact mentioned above.

Big dog, I think you will find layoffs and firings were also the norm in the not so distant past.

We all have a choice of what we want to do. So if you feel like corporate meat then leave.

Of course there's no absolute security in an uncertain environment. That's part of the game. And yes, your odds of survival go up with your contribution to the company. No problem with that at all.

Yes, layoffs have a long history. As do decent severance packages. The former carries on while the latter has taken a beating - unless you're in the top executive ranks or grandfathered into earlier arrangements.

And no, I have no complaints. I'm doing rasonably well in corporate America but I have no illusions that, at the end of the day and against all the statements to the contrary, I am just another resource to my employer.

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My company has been on a acquisition binge for two years now which is good but the redundancies are a bit scary. I am confident that my abilities and customer service will get me through.

To answer your question. I Service\connect\sell office equipment. Fax\copier\wide format\printers\high speed duplicators.

So you end up traveling a lot?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

So you end up traveling a lot?

Oh yeah. Average 2000 miles a month.I cover from the east side of the cascades and north to the canadian border. The mileage program they have is great. It decreases or increases based on gas prices also get paid for depreciation of vehicle and 32 cents a mile. The scenery is fantastic and I have no managers breathing down my neck.

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Cool. I travel very little but when I do my employer uses the IRS rate for gas prices. And no depreciation but like I said, there's very little work related travel.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Cool. I travel very little but when I do my employer uses the IRS rate for gas prices. And no depreciation but like I said, there's very little work related travel.

So your cubicly challenged?

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So your cubicly challenged?

Yeap. And my (and everyone elses) cube just got smaller. When I started working out of college a little over a decade ago, junior IT people had bigger cubes than this one. Senior IT people had large cubes, like twice the size. And managers had offices, senior managers had offices and shared a hot secretary and execs had offices and had their own even hotter secretaries.

Today, our junior IT people share a room. Mid and senior level IT people have little cubes. Managers have offices but they're not by windows anymore. Senior managers and execs still have it made, though. Those secretaries just get younger and hotter every year.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Yeap. And my (and everyone elses) cube just got smaller. When I started working out of college a little over a decade ago, junior IT people had bigger cubes than this one. Senior IT people had large cubes, like twice the size. And managers had offices, senior managers had offices and shared a hot secretary and execs had offices and had their own even hotter secretaries.

Today, our junior IT people share a room. Mid and senior level IT people have little cubes. Managers have offices but they're not by windows anymore. Senior managers and execs still have it made, though. Those secretaries just get younger and hotter every year.

In this day and age you should be working from home. You should be able to show alot of examples of cost savings in favor of that.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

So your cubicly challenged?

:rofl: :rofl: