The Cordoba controversy, summarized

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[ready4ONE 5,400]

Cute pic! Seriously though I think it will be a place extremists flock to to celebrate the great victory for Allah even if the founders and main congregation see it as some sort of bridge of cultures. I can completely understand why many are upset over this location. Time will tell, but Obama was correct in this nation freedom of religion is a paramount value.

[Danno 1,228]

There is always a bright side to things if we will just look for it.

The "call to prayer" ringing out across Ground zero several times a day will help keep the memory of that day alive in the minds of many.

(fairly or not)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yep.

[Atencio 43]

Haha. love it.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

There is always a bright side to things if we will just look for it.

The "call to prayer" ringing out across Ground zero several times a day will help keep the memory of that day alive in the minds of many.

(fairly or not)

Cordoba House will be a community center with a mosque in it, not a mosque with a community center in it. There will be no call to prayer ringing out from it. For your information, btw, there is already a mosque, the Masjid al-Farah, in the same area as the disputed Cordoba House, and it was there on 9/11. Where is the object to that mosque on "hallowed ground"?

The overly emotional and inaccurate basis for opposing the center stems from the proprietary notion that only non-Muslims have a right to determine what is sacred about the site and who is allowed to participate in the grief and rebuilding. They have decided that Muslim New Yorkers are to be excluded and that Muslim 9/11 families are to be marginalized, but, on the other hand, strip clubs, bookie joints and bars are acceptable on hallowed ground.

Ironically, they forget that Muslim victims were also murdered on 9/11, and that far more Muslims than non-Muslims have been murdered in terrorist acts. They rabidly spit on Muslim dead and on their grieving families, who have never been depicted as victims due to their suspect status, which is primary in the mind of the haters. The family of Abul K. Chowdhury doesn't count; the family of Mohammed Salahuddin Chowdhury doesn't count; the family of Aisha Harris doesn't count; the families of Michael Theodoridis, his wife, Rahma Salie, and their unborn child don't count, the family of Ehtesham U. Raja doesn't count. I could go on; there are many forgotten murdered Muslims who were victims of 9/11, but, in the minds of the self-righteous and narrow-minded, they don't count because their deaths are not worthy, and probably justified as well-deserved, due to their faith being defined as foreign, hostile, un-American and outside the "norm".

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Being that the opposition has drawn a bright line, putting their self-indulgent position on the side of the aggrieved and all Muslims who disagree with defining the dialogue in Christian terms on the side of the perpetrators, they feel justified applying their selective application of the inalienable rights granted in the Constitution. The founders may have made freedom of religion their Number 1 right, but as long as the hysteria they have worked up by falsifying Islam as an evil cult works, go with it. After all, it worked to block a proposed mosque on Staten Island, so it should work in Manhattan.

This debate has exposed the fact that there are a lot of narrow minds out there, and that narrow minds can be easily manipulated into legitimizing and actualizing the terrorist claims of a war against Islam in America, a war against Muslims in America. The hyperbolic and hateful dialectic of the opposition has given substantive evidence to radical Muslims that no Muslim can be "good" enough, "decent" enough, "westernized" enough, or dead enough to be acceptable to non-Muslim Americans. They have bought into and legitimized the terrorist rhetoric that Islam commands division and subjugation by dividing us and subjugating the efforts of Muslims to dialogue from their point of view. They have become the enemy of unity.

Remember, the whole world's watching this, and a large slice of the audience is Muslim. You reap what you sow.

Edited August 15, 2010 by Sofiyya

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The hyperbolic and hateful dialectic of the opposition has given substantive evidence to radical Muslims that no Muslim can be "good" enough, "decent" enough, "westernized" enough to be acceptable to non-Muslim Americans.

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[HAL 9000 96]

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This opposition is of the same statistical ilk as those which would seek to limit all other diversity initiatives in this country. Strange people indeed, and gladly less and less every year. Yes, they are dying off. That should make most people with level-headed minds happy enough.

[Danno 1,228]

Cordoba House will be a community center with a mosque in it, not a mosque with a community center in it. There will be no call to prayer ringing out from it. For your information, btw, there is already a mosque, the Masjid al-Farah, in the same area as the disputed Cordoba House, and it was there on 9/11. Where is the object to that mosque on "hallowed ground"?

The overly emotional and inaccurate basis for opposing the center stems from the proprietary notion that only non-Muslims have a right to determine what is sacred about the site and who is allowed to participate in the grief and rebuilding. They have decided that Muslim New Yorkers are to be excluded and that Muslim 9/11 families are to be marginalized, but, on the other hand, strip clubs, bookie joints and bars are acceptable on hallowed ground.

Ironically, they forget that Muslim victims were also murdered on 9/11, and that far more Muslims than non-Muslims have been murdered in terrorist acts. They rabidly spit on Muslim dead and on their grieving families, who have never been depicted as victims due to their suspect status, which is primary in the mind of the haters. The family of Abul K. Chowdhury doesn't count; the family of Mohammed Salahuddin Chowdhury doesn't count; the family of Aisha Harris doesn't count; the families of Michael Theodoridis, his wife, Rahma Salie, and their unborn child don't count, the family of Ehtesham U. Raja doesn't count. I could go on; there are many forgotten murdered Muslims who were victims of 9/11, but, in the minds of the self-righteous and narrow-minded, they don't count because their deaths are not worthy, and probably justified as well-deserved, due to their faith being defined as foreign, hostile, un-American and outside the "norm".

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Being that the opposition has drawn a bright line, putting their self-indulgent position on the side of the aggrieved and all Muslims who disagree with defining the dialogue in Christian terms on the side of the perpetrators, they feel justified applying their selective application of the inalienable rights granted in the Constitution. The founders may have made freedom of religion their Number 1 right, but as long as the hysteria they have worked up by falsifying Islam as an evil cult works, go with it. After all, it worked to block a proposed mosque on Staten Island, so it should work in Manhattan.

This debate has exposed the fact that there are a lot of narrow minds out there, and that narrow minds can be easily manipulated into legitimizing and actualizing the terrorist claims of a war against Islam in America, a war against Muslims in America. The hyperbolic and hateful dialectic of the opposition has given substantive evidence to radical Muslims that no Muslim can be "good" enough, "decent" enough, "westernized" enough, or dead enough to be acceptable to non-Muslim Americans. They have bought into and legitimized the terrorist rhetoric that Islam commands division and subjugation by dividing us and subjugating the efforts of Muslims to dialogue from their point of view. They have become the enemy of unity.

Remember, the whole world's watching this, and a large slice of the audience is Muslim. You reap what you sow.

To the point of it being a community center or Mosque, there is little doubt, approval is a lot more certain if it is called a "community center".

Q: in a decades time will it be more "mosque"... or "Community center" aimed at diversity?

Personally, I have no heart burn either way on this issue, in fact I have a lot more in common with many muslims than I do most Leftists and if one were to do a "body count" we would see Planned parenthood takes more lives each and every day than all the victims of 9/11.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Seeing some righteous anger from the peaceful Muslim community towards Radical Muslims and their murderous death cult would be considerably more appropriate than slinging insult upon non-Muslims for their lack of understanding. We have had "peaceful" Muslim leaders, in this country, warn suspected terrorist bomb suspects the FBI is hunting them so there is a logical margin of distrust beyond the indescriminant destruction on 911. That takes nothing away from innocent Muslim victims.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Seeing some righteous anger from the peaceful Muslim community towards Radical Muslims and their murderous death cult would be considerably more appropriate than slinging insult upon non-Muslims for their lack of understanding. We have had "peaceful" Muslim leaders, in this country, warn suspected terrorist bomb suspects the FBI is hunting them so there is a logical margin of distrust beyond the indescriminant destruction on 911. That takes nothing away from innocent Muslim victims.

Why are you still demanding that Muslims denounce terrorism, assuming none have not? Where have you been that you don't know that there has been plenty of denunciations over the years, but you know of Muslims who have aided suspected terrorists? Do non-Muslims have no responsibility in their own education, and if they have not taken measures to come even halfway toward their neighbors, but stayed within their own comfort zones expecting to be served up apologizes from afar, that is not their own fault? It's been ten years, and Muslims who have priorities other than terrorism, who just go to work every day, raise their families, mow their lawns and carry on a life like all other Americans are tired of the expectation that they have an insatiable to do list from non-Muslims that will never be satisfied. Take responsibility for your own education about the people around you. We do.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

All religions are good until humans get their hands on them!

[LaL 418]

All religions are good until humans get their hands on them!

I must be really tired today because i read that "all humans are good until religions get their hands on them" no disrespect meant

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What kind of statement is that? Humans create religion.

I must be really tired today because i read that "all humans are good until religions get their hands on them" no disrespect meant

Well that would be more accurate

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I must be really tired today because i read that "all humans are good until religions get their hands on them" no disrespect meant

Your right in a way. Sad really that some people take their religion and turn it into something radical whether it be violent or coming to my door and bothering me.