Salt - The Movie

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

ROFL!

C'mon down to south western Ct Gary. We'll show ya how its done!

Gotta admit I wouldn't mind getting more north though. Just TOO close to "The Evil Empire" for me. Except for the winters (and accompanying washboard roads) I miss living in Maine.

You mean Canada? I live rib-ticklin' close to them. Hey, better than being neighbors with Kazakhstan or North Korea or something. Besides we make most of our income here serving their citizens that flee here to get medical care! Nous parlon Francais!

Actually, Montreal is our "home city" if you will and has the nearest interstate interchanges. We go there a lot.

I drive through SW CT any time we go down to NYC, I always take the "east route". I can't afford all the NY tolls and toll bridges going down I-87! Thieves!

[slim 1,525]

So he got her phone number and email address...IN MOSCOW.

Score!

Since you had to threaten hitting him with a board for him to get the number, you'll probably have to make the same threat in a few weeks to get him to call her. Mark your calendar!

if that was possible we would all go to work that way!

I sure would! Free and easy enough, right?

And what's with her being name "Chekov". Anyone knows her name would be "Chekova". Sergey says it must have been an American script writer.

I noticed that too. I guess America's just not ready for cultural differences just yet. We're comfortable with accepting she could be a sleeper agent, have all that training just "come back to life" and single-handedly wreak havoc on several hundred people at once.... but not for a "different" last name. That would just be too much.

I do wish it had been President Obama though.

You mean you wish he would've been the hero at the end?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Score!

Since you had to threaten hitting him with a board for him to get the number, you'll probably have to make the same threat in a few weeks to get him to call her. Mark your calendar!

I sure would! Free and easy enough, right?

I noticed that too. I guess America's just not ready for cultural differences just yet. We're comfortable with accepting she could be a sleeper agent, have all that training just "come back to life" and single-handedly wreak havoc on several hundred people at once.... but not for a "different" last name. That would just be too much.

You mean you wish he would've been the hero at the end?

Um, well, no. But I probably shouldn't say any more.

[slim 1,525]

Um, well, no. But I probably shouldn't say any more.

Over 60% of the FBI is cyber now. Plead the fif!

[SMR 368]

(Spoilers)

We got around to seeing this movie yesterday. It was a decent action flick but the critical lack of realism just stank at points. As a sleeper agent, Salt had the same problem that Anna Chapman et. al had as sleeper agents--the big "Why?" She certainly was able to do things, but that had everything to do with her training and nothing to do with her cover. Put another way, Orlov planted her in the intelligence community, waited several decades, and then intentionally blew her cover the day before he wanted her to do something. Granted, she wouldn't have done what he wanted her to do otherwise. But the fact remains that she was able to single handedly breach security and take out the Russian president without the aid of her cover and in spite of an ongoing manhunt. With the same effect, an agent could have been planted in DC the day before and taken out the president. It would have required a little bit of doing to blame it on the Americans but that would have been trivial as compared to planting a sleeper agent for twenty years (and in reality the blame game would have turned into a bunch of pointless finger pointing). Ted admittedly used his cover more effectively. But given the ease with which Salt penetrated the White House I think it was a bit of overkill.

Other things that simply stank in the realism department include:

-Salt decides to empty an automatic weapon into bulletproof glass at close range. I suppose you could survive this but I find it hard to believe that a highly trained agent would do it since it is so dangerous and yet pointless. (I guess this isn't completely pointless for cheaper bullet-proof glass, but one would guess the White House bunker has the good stuff. Admittedly, this bunker was retarded on many levels so who knows).

-By emptying 4-5 magazines into the door, Salt manages to find a cable which is unharmed and which she can hot-wire. It's not as if these doors come with standard wiring keys. I would expect that it would simply not be possible to hot-wire the door even if you know the functions of all the wires. Additionally, I don't think 4-5 clips would do much of anything to a bunker door (not to mention the aforementioned problems of ricochet).

-I'm not quite ready to pass judgment on the fact that Salt makes a weapon from a fire-extinguisher and household cleaners but I'm going to need a big show-me to believe that is possible.

-Now, I'm not in the circles to know, but does anyone else doubt that fingerprint identification is used at high levels of security? You would at least think there would be some way to tell if the person whose fingers are being pressed to the screen is alive and conscious instead of the old "drag the guy to the screen and hold his hand up."

-Let's not forget all the jumping. And dressing a bullet wound with a maxi-pad?!?! I guess it was a glancing shot.

-Does any agency actually use handcuffs with a big long chain between the hands that's perfect for use as a garrote? I mean, I think Jolie demonstrated pretty clearly why not.

-The Russian spy cell seemed to really lack an actual plan. Assassinating your own president doesn't get you much even if you can blame it on someone else. Taking control of the missiles is pretty pointless unless you use them since you only get them for a couple minutes. Using them against Iran may start a war but that isn't necessarily going to work for Russia's advantage. The plan just seemed chaotic, incoherent, and needlessly convoluted.

In conclusion, I really didn't appreciate the overarching anti-Russian message. All in all, I have found that US culture and movies frequently have anti-Russian plots while the reverse is not true for Russian movies. I think we should consider which of these countries is really antagonistic and set in its ways and which is open to seeing the world through different eyes.

[SMR 368]

Two more things that bother me:

-The CIA interrogation rooms have windows instead of half silvered mirrors. It doesn't seem that way when they're interrogating Orlov, but when they put Salt in the room she can see the other two guys talking outside the room.

And the other major plot hole in this movie that I am ashamed that I forgot to mention. The President saw Winters kill all of the Secret Service and his advisors, heard him introduce himself as a Russian agent, and heard him ask about attack options (or something of that nature, the exact term he used escapes me). Unless the pistol whip was fatal or caused amnesia, it's inexplicable that Winters is still free. Although that wouldn't prove Salt's innocence, it would take care of Winters and certainly give her some credibility.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

(Spoilers)

We got around to seeing this movie yesterday. It was a decent action flick but the critical lack of realism just stank at points. As a sleeper agent, Salt had the same problem that Anna Chapman et. al had as sleeper agents--the big "Why?" She certainly was able to do things, but that had everything to do with her training and nothing to do with her cover. Put another way, Orlov planted her in the intelligence community, waited several decades, and then intentionally blew her cover the day before he wanted her to do something. Granted, she wouldn't have done what he wanted her to do otherwise. But the fact remains that she was able to single handedly breach security and take out the Russian president without the aid of her cover and in spite of an ongoing manhunt. With the same effect, an agent could have been planted in DC the day before and taken out the president. It would have required a little bit of doing to blame it on the Americans but that would have been trivial as compared to planting a sleeper agent for twenty years (and in reality the blame game would have turned into a bunch of pointless finger pointing). Ted admittedly used his cover more effectively. But given the ease with which Salt penetrated the White House I think it was a bit of overkill.

Other things that simply stank in the realism department include:

-Salt decides to empty an automatic weapon into bulletproof glass at close range. I suppose you could survive this but I find it hard to believe that a highly trained agent would do it since it is so dangerous and yet pointless. (I guess this isn't completely pointless for cheaper bullet-proof glass, but one would guess the White House bunker has the good stuff. Admittedly, this bunker was retarded on many levels so who knows).

-By emptying 4-5 magazines into the door, Salt manages to find a cable which is unharmed and which she can hot-wire. It's not as if these doors come with standard wiring keys. I would expect that it would simply not be possible to hot-wire the door even if you know the functions of all the wires. Additionally, I don't think 4-5 clips would do much of anything to a bunker door (not to mention the aforementioned problems of ricochet).

-I'm not quite ready to pass judgment on the fact that Salt makes a weapon from a fire-extinguisher and household cleaners but I'm going to need a big show-me to believe that is possible.

-Now, I'm not in the circles to know, but does anyone else doubt that fingerprint identification is used at high levels of security? You would at least think there would be some way to tell if the person whose fingers are being pressed to the screen is alive and conscious instead of the old "drag the guy to the screen and hold his hand up."

-Let's not forget all the jumping. And dressing a bullet wound with a maxi-pad?!?! I guess it was a glancing shot.

-Does any agency actually use handcuffs with a big long chain between the hands that's perfect for use as a garrote? I mean, I think Jolie demonstrated pretty clearly why not.

-The Russian spy cell seemed to really lack an actual plan. Assassinating your own president doesn't get you much even if you can blame it on someone else. Taking control of the missiles is pretty pointless unless you use them since you only get them for a couple minutes. Using them against Iran may start a war but that isn't necessarily going to work for Russia's advantage. The plan just seemed chaotic, incoherent, and needlessly convoluted.

In conclusion, I really didn't appreciate the overarching anti-Russian message. All in all, I have found that US culture and movies frequently have anti-Russian plots while the reverse is not true for Russian movies. I think we should consider which of these countries is really antagonistic and set in its ways and which is open to seeing the world through different eyes.

I assumed it was a Kotex Stay-Dry Maxi Pad...with wings. Otherwise, yeah, this movie makes for a whole season of "Mythbusters" at 3 myths per episode.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Two more things that bother me:

-The CIA interrogation rooms have windows instead of half silvered mirrors. It doesn't seem that way when they're interrogating Orlov, but when they put Salt in the room she can see the other two guys talking outside the room.

And the other major plot hole in this movie that I am ashamed that I forgot to mention. The President saw Winters kill all of the Secret Service and his advisors, heard him introduce himself as a Russian agent, and heard him ask about attack options (or something of that nature, the exact term he used escapes me). Unless the pistol whip was fatal or caused amnesia, it's inexplicable that Winters is still free. Although that wouldn't prove Salt's innocence, it would take care of Winters and certainly give her some credibility.

I had the same thought. I never had the impression that the President was dead, only cold-conked. Maybe I am wrong, but it seemed as though he would still be alive and he knew all that stuff. Oh well.

[slim 1,525]

It would have required a little bit of doing to blame it on the Americans but that would have been trivial as compared to planting a sleeper agent for twenty years (and in reality the blame game would have turned into a bunch of pointless finger pointing). Ted admittedly used his cover more effectively. But given the ease with which Salt penetrated the White House I think it was a bit of overkill.

It was overkill, but the whole purpose was to blame the Americans. Had they used KGB (FSB) operatives to just show up and do the job they wouldn't have had anyone to pin it on. Having sleeper agents means "the Americans" did it.

The overall goal of the operation was to turn the world against the US. Killing Russia's president would've made Russia mad but not to the point of all-out war. Once Mecca and Tehran were targeted and the world's Muslim population was ticked off too, the entire world would've been against the US and Russia would've been poised to take over as super power again.

-Salt decides to empty an automatic weapon into bulletproof glass at close range. I suppose you could survive this but I find it hard to believe that a highly trained agent would do it since it is so dangerous and yet pointless. (I guess this isn't completely pointless for cheaper bullet-proof glass, but one would guess the White House bunker has the good stuff. Admittedly, this bunker was retarded on many levels so who knows).

-By emptying 4-5 magazines into the door, Salt manages to find a cable which is unharmed and which she can hot-wire. It's not as if these doors come with standard wiring keys. I would expect that it would simply not be possible to hot-wire the door even if you know the functions of all the wires. Additionally, I don't think 4-5 clips would do much of anything to a bunker door (not to mention the aforementioned problems of ricochet).

-I'm not quite ready to pass judgment on the fact that Salt makes a weapon from a fire-extinguisher and household cleaners but I'm going to need a big show-me to believe that is possible.

A lot of that was Hollywood because when you shoot bullets... they go somewhere. Yes it's possible to chip away at a wall and hotwiring the door wouldn't be impossible, but the timeline was pretty far fetched. She did all that in what, four minutes?

What I thought was funny was the fact that they had to wait to launch the missiles. That there was a countdown after all that authentication was done. Why would there be so much security and then a countdown too. "Are you sure, Mr. President?" I guess it takes a few minutes for MapQuest to get the directions into the warheads.

As for making a weapon out of household cleaners.... very doable. The pressure released from a fire extinguisher is enough to instantly vaporize just about anything and if those things are flammable it's possible they could ignite and/or explode. Improvised weapons are taught to everyone from sappers to intelligence agents and they'll tell you, "all I need is what's under the kitchen sink." Salt had a whole janitor's cart. Bonus!

-Now, I'm not in the circles to know, but does anyone else doubt that fingerprint identification is used at high levels of security? You would at least think there would be some way to tell if the person whose fingers are being pressed to the screen is alive and conscious instead of the old "drag the guy to the screen and hold his hand up."

Retinal scans are typically employed in biometric security. Then you've gotta "drag them to the screen and hold their head up."

-Let's not forget all the jumping. And dressing a bullet wound with a maxi-pad?!?! I guess it was a glancing shot.

Yeah, the jumping was far fetched. Once, OK. Three times? She's dead.

Maxi pads are excellent bandages. Remember, they're called "sanitary napkins" for a reason! Plus, they can absorb something like 3 times their weight in blood. Where she was hit (side of abdomen) wasn't really a danger spot so as long as she was tough enough (after that beating from the N. Koreans, I'd say she probably was) it probably wouldn't have slowed her down too much.

However... it's still a bullet wound and she went for another few days with no problems at all. While I'm sure she could've pressed on, I doubt she would've been at 100%.

-Does any agency actually use handcuffs with a big long chain between the hands that's perfect for use as a garrote? I mean, I think Jolie demonstrated pretty clearly why not.

They are used sometimes, but I don't know why those were on her at that time, she's a little girl so it's not like she needed extra clearance. Plus, why were they in front anyway? They most definitely would've been in back. And in situations like that, the suspect usually isn't calmly walked out... they're hogtied and carried. Sometimes even blindfolded.

In conclusion, I really didn't appreciate the overarching anti-Russian message. All in all, I have found that US culture and movies frequently have anti-Russian plots while the reverse is not true for Russian movies. I think we should consider which of these countries is really antagonistic and set in its ways and which is open to seeing the world through different eyes.

Americans have always had very narrow world views even though we have freedom of information like no place else. Over there, they were conditioned to know the govt. didn't always tell them the truth. Here, we're conditioned to think the government can't hide anything so when we watch movies and read books, etc., we're always the protagonist.

Agreed it says something about who we are but if you look at our views on patriotism, most folks think going to McDonald's at Walmart says you love America.

-The CIA interrogation rooms have windows instead of half silvered mirrors. It doesn't seem that way when they're interrogating Orlov, but when they put Salt in the room she can see the other two guys talking outside the room.

It had the mirrored glass on the "big window" where folks looked through to watch, regular glass right next to the hallway door. When she was looking at the two men talking, they were standing right next to the door.

Unless the pistol whip was fatal or caused amnesia, it's inexplicable that Winters is still free.

Typically POTUS is whisked away to "a more secure location" anytime something happens and I'd assume after this incident his handlers whisked him away immediately. He was probably heavily sedated and didn't have a chance to explain everything. It's quite likely the protection detail and other ABC agents hadn't gotten the memo just yet so since Salt was still the primary suspect and nobody knew about Winters, that would explain their situation.

[slim 1,525]

The big thing I find very Hollywood about all these movies (Salt, Bourne, Bond, etc.) is the amount of people they go through without being slowed down or captured.

Salt moved through that entire protection detail and then whooped two or three guys at a time. Later, she killed everyon on that barge without so much as a scratch to herslef.

Bourne does stuff like that before breakfast and Bond moves through foreign countries without being noticed. In real life, something like a security guard or the random guy at the gas station that recognizes their face on TV messes that stuff up.

Oh, and don't even get me started on cell phones, radios, etc. working in subway tunnels or "secure" buildings.

[SMR 368]

It was overkill, but the whole purpose was to blame the Americans. Had they used KGB (FSB) operatives to just show up and do the job they wouldn't have had anyone to pin it on. Having sleeper agents means "the Americans" did it.

The overall goal of the operation was to turn the world against the US. Killing Russia's president would've made Russia mad but not to the point of all-out war. Once Mecca and Tehran were targeted and the world's Muslim population was ticked off too, the entire world would've been against the US and Russia would've been poised to take over as super power again.

I guess I just feel that if in real life it would turn into a blame game and the world would fall into its traditional alliances without much thought as to what actually happened.

A lot of that was Hollywood because when you shoot bullets... they go somewhere. Yes it's possible to chip away at a wall and hotwiring the door wouldn't be impossible, but the timeline was pretty far fetched. She did all that in what, four minutes?

It all depends on how the door was wired. But if the door ran on servo motors, it's probable that a signal needed to be sent to the doors. Until it was sent, that signal was not present on any of the wires. So switching the wires around would not have caused the door to open. You would actually have to access the control panel to send the signals.

It's all speculation, of course. All I'm saying is that there are ways to wire a door in which it would not be possible to make it open no matter how you cross the wires. You could effectively break the door but it would still be shut. And even if there is a wire configuration that would cause it to open, there would be no way to know what configuration that would be.

I suppose what frustrated me was that it was a cop-out, in my opinion. There is a build-up where you wonder how she can get into the lock-down bunker. And, duh, dunh, duuuuh, ...she hotwires the door. I just wanted something better than that.

What I thought was funny was the fact that they had to wait to launch the missiles. That there was a countdown after all that authentication was done. Why would there be so much security and then a countdown too. "Are you sure, Mr. President?" I guess it takes a few minutes for MapQuest to get the directions into the warheads.

Good point. That is pretty ridiculous. After all, if we were in a crisis situation and wanted to nuke something, seconds would count.

As for making a weapon out of household cleaners.... very doable. The pressure released from a fire extinguisher is enough to instantly vaporize just about anything and if those things are flammable it's possible they could ignite and/or explode. Improvised weapons are taught to everyone from sappers to intelligence agents and they'll tell you, "all I need is what's under the kitchen sink." Salt had a whole janitor's cart. Bonus!

Maybe, but fire extinguishers also extinguish fires. You may vaporize the chemicals but in order to get an explosion, you need oxygen which the fire extinguisher, inconveniently, just removed from the room. Again, I suppose it's probably possible. I just want a more detailed explanation.

Retinal scans are typically employed in biometric security. Then you've gotta "drag them to the screen and hold their head up."

They are used sometimes, but I don't know why those were on her at that time, she's a little girl so it's not like she needed extra clearance. Plus, why were they in front anyway? They most definitely would've been in back. And in situations like that, the suspect usually isn't calmly walked out... they're hogtied and carried. Sometimes even blindfolded.

I believe they were behind her. The camera angles were weird but I thought that she jumped over him, all the time with her arms behind her back, and caught his neck in the chain. Alternately, she could jump the chain and her hands would be in front. In the end, the point is that with that much slack and a chain to boot, you have a powerful weapon, not an effective restraint.

Americans have always had very narrow world views even though we have freedom of information like no place else. Over there, they were conditioned to know the govt. didn't always tell them the truth. Here, we're conditioned to think the government can't hide anything so when we watch movies and read books, etc., we're always the protagonist.

Agreed it says something about who we are but if you look at our views on patriotism, most folks think going to McDonald's at Walmart says you love America.

It had the mirrored glass on the "big window" where folks looked through to watch, regular glass right next to the hallway door. When she was looking at the two men talking, they were standing right next to the door.

Typically POTUS is whisked away to "a more secure location" anytime something happens and I'd assume after this incident his handlers whisked him away immediately. He was probably heavily sedated and didn't have a chance to explain everything. It's quite likely the protection detail and other ABC agents hadn't gotten the memo just yet so since Salt was still the primary suspect and nobody knew about Winters, that would explain their situation.

I suppose. But if that were the case you would expect Winters to book it, instead of sitting around.

The big thing I find very Hollywood about all these movies (Salt, Bourne, Bond, etc.) is the amount of people they go through without being slowed down or captured.

Salt moved through that entire protection detail and then whooped two or three guys at a time. Later, she killed everyon on that barge without so much as a scratch to herslef.

Bourne does stuff like that before breakfast and Bond moves through foreign countries without being noticed. In real life, something like a security guard or the random guy at the gas station that recognizes their face on TV messes that stuff up.

Oh, and don't even get me started on cell phones, radios, etc. working in subway tunnels or "secure" buildings.

I didn't find the barge scene to be that overdone. She catches Orlov off guard. She then grenades most of the guys and finishes off a couple getting the drop on them. That seems doable for a highly trained secret agent. The part of that scene that was odd was that she would have almost certainly fragged herself with the grenades. Most grenades can cause casualties at distances farther than they can be thrown. Dropping a grenade down a staircase seems like a really bad idea.

The other fight scenes are a bit overdone. However, the biggest sin of Hollywood fights is that the fights become less deadly the more trained the participants supposedly are. In reality, it should be the opposite. No amount of training allows you to outrun a bullet or survive wounds that would kill others. It only allows you to place those bullets more accurately. So a fight between two highly trained agents would likely be over very quickly. I say this in reference to the Winters/Salt fight at the end. They both empty their clips at close range without so much as grazing each other. He was even waiting for her around the corner.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It is not politically correct to make movies with Muslims as enemies. Be realistic. Now they are being made out to be the victims...just for good measure I suppose. If they ever make a real movie about 9/11 they will change the terrorists to Russians...or Mexican drug dealers.

Russians were bad guys for so long, I think Hollywood was really disappointed when the Cold War ended, even more disappointed we won. (I have yet to figure out how, exactly?) So now they have to look for ways to make some Russians the bad guys. Of course they cannot be "official Russians" thay have to be renegade Russians, which is OK as long as they are not Muslim.

[slim 1,525]

in real life it would turn into a blame game and the world would fall into its traditional alliances without much thought as to what actually happened.

Probably true, but if the "whole world" is mad at the US, we don't stand a chance!

even if there is a wire configuration that would cause it to open, there would be no way to know what configuration that would be.

There would be no way to know.... unless you're a highly trained secret agent! (Which is hilarious because you often see shows where they do stuff like rewiring a door lock and then something totally different like disabling a satellite uplink for a guidance system - two skills which are totally unrelated and both require specific knowledge and/or training.)

I suppose what frustrated me was that it was a cop-out, in my opinion. There is a build-up where you wonder how she can get into the lock-down bunker. And, duh, dunh, duuuuh, ...she hotwires the door. I just wanted something better than that.

I would've liked to have seen something a little more Catherine Zeta Jones ala Entrapment -

Maybe, but fire extinguishers also extinguish fires. You may vaporize the chemicals but in order to get an explosion, you need oxygen which the fire extinguisher, inconveniently, just removed from the room. Again, I suppose it's probably possible. I just want a more detailed explanation.

Not all fire extinguishers remove oxygen. While I'd love to find a good clip of how to make a bomb from household chemicals and a fire extinguisher, I think the feds already have enough to deal with in my search history. I'll keep this on the back burner though. Someday you may see it on here.

I believe they were behind her.

you would expect Winters to book it, instead of sitting around.

Thinking back on it, I think you're right. She kind of whipped them around his neck and jumped off. Either way, Winters should've been gone and she should've been more heavily restrained. Odd that they'd just calmly walk her up there anyway instead of whisking her out the side door. Winters may've thought he could've done some more damage before taking off. Who knows.

I didn't find the barge scene to be that overdone. She catches Orlov off guard. She then grenades most of the guys and finishes off a couple getting the drop on them. That seems doable for a highly trained secret agent. The part of that scene that was odd was that she would have almost certainly fragged herself with the grenades. Most grenades can cause casualties at distances farther than they can be thrown. Dropping a grenade down a staircase seems like a really bad idea.

It's always the one guy outside smoking the cigarette or the guy guarding the car or something that foils the plan in real life. Sure, she could've killed several of the guys on the barge... I just don't think she would've killed all of them and gotten away without so much as a scratch.

The grenade thing is possible. Fragmentation doesn't typically go through steel (not steel on a barge, anyway) so she probably would've been alright from that perspective. It would've been loud as sh!t though. Shooting in there would've been loud too. I always see on movies when they shoot inside rooms or buildings then hear soemeone sneaking up on them or something. Sorry, not in real life!

Grenades are bad @$$, but they're not nearly as effective in real life as they are in the movies. Even when dropped down the steps into a hold full of dudes, there probably would've been survivors. Something as simple as "someone in the way" can stave off the effects of a grenade. They'd still have a bad day, but they wouldn't be dead.

the biggest sin of Hollywood fights is that the fights become less deadly the more trained the participants supposedly are. In reality, it should be the opposite.

Absolutely true! The 5 minute fights are pretty unrealistic. But, when you see the four second fights like in The Transporter they become equally unrealistic. Although they're probably more accurate in what would actually happen. (On that note, Jason Statham beats some hellacious @$$ in The Expendables. Somebody hit his girlfriend. Uh oh!)

.....in reference to the Winters/Salt fight at the end.

Liev Schreiber is every bit of 6' 2" 200lbs. Angelina might be 5' 9" and maybe after a good dinner and not throwing up she could hit 150. Either way... she's not kicking his @$$, especially when they've had the same training.

[slim 1,525]

I think Hollywood was really disappointed when the Cold War ended

They're doing their best to keep it going. We still face "the threat" of nuclear destruction and like you said, the rogue - non-Muslim - Russians will still always try to get us in the movies.

I'm guessing as long as we keep buying it... they'll keep selling it.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I would've liked to have seen something a little more Catherine Zeta Jones ala Entrapment -

Before I met Alla...BEFORE I met Alla. It was my dream to go out of this life by being murdered by Micheal Douglas when he caught me in bed with Catherine Zeta Jones.