UK B!tches Unite!

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

It's starting to feel personal.

I hope I won't be banned from posting even G-rated stories about my life. Must remember: sex bad, killing brown people okay if it's done in a scholarly way.

[Susita 175]

Please refrain from baiting as it adds nothing of value to the discussion and also applies to this portion of the Terms of Service:

"Make comments in a Post either direct or implied toward another member that are purposely designed to upset, antagonize, make fun of, belittle, or otherwise instigate an argument that takes away from the personal enjoyment of the Service by other users."

Thank you.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Please refrain from baiting as it adds nothing of value to the discussion and also applies to this portion of the Terms of Service:

"Make comments in a Post either direct or implied toward another member that are purposely designed to upset, antagonize, make fun of, belittle, or otherwise instigate an argument that takes away from the personal enjoyment of the Service by other users."

Thank you.

That is a bizarre interpretation of the TOS that you have taken there susita.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Sorry, Susita. Who exactly is baiting here? I think we've made a genuine effort to make this thread inclusive, for men and women, UK and non-UK.

Really, VJ exile is looking better by the moment.

[Pooky 3,786]

Sorry, Susita. Who exactly is baiting here? I think we've made a genuine effort to make this thread inclusive, for men and women, UK and non-UK.

Really, VJ exile is looking better by the moment.

Looking in from the outside today, there is a sh!t load of it going on today, in amongst the usual back and forth and concentrated on the moderation blitz that has ensued from just a few threads in the General Discussion Area.

I haven't been here when the causes of all this went down, but the level of general antagonism around today ranks around a 7 on the VJ crapometer. Hopefully, people will get their Dog Days Blues out of their system and calm down soon. Otherwise, there may very well be a few people who quit posting here, and that would be a great shame.

[Susita 175]

Kathryn - do you actually have a life outside of VJ?

Elmcitymaven ~ I was referring to this post in regards to the baiting comment I posted.

Rob&Mel ~ I don't believe my interpretation is bizarre at all. It's a comment which was posted to incite a reaction from another member (in this case a moderator), and it's pretty clear that the intention was to upset or make fun of or instigate an argument. However you have the right to your opinion on this and suggestions are welcomed in the Site Discussion forums.

And I'm just doing my job.

[Mags 112]

I think there are certain threads that are on the mods' radars. This is one of them. Quite frankly I feel that the modding is incredibly intrusive and OTT.

And ridiculous. And I think some are out to try and prove a point.

Elmcitymaven ~ I was referring to this post in regards to the baiting comment I posted.

Rob&Mel ~ I don't believe my interpretation is bizarre at all. It's a comment which was posted to incite a reaction from another member (in this case a moderator), and it's pretty clear that the intention was to upset or make fun of or instigate an argument. However you have the right to your opinion on this and suggestions are welcomed in the Site Discussion forums.

And I'm just doing my job.

CONTEXT.

Edited August 15, 2010 by Mags

[William33 110]

I think there are certain threads that are on the mods' radars. This is one of them. Quite frankly I feel that the modding is incredibly intrusive and OTT.

And ridiculous. And I think some are out to try and prove a point.

CONTEXT.

Mags, as a former moderator, I thought you would "feel our pain" and be a little less critical.

We attempt to respond to complaints, adjudicate arguments and enforce the TOS to the best of our ability. There are no agendas here or "targeted threads". Given the new report center, driven by member reports,

I am sure you can imagine the workload foisted upon us. We are trying to be fair and resonable, although we have admitted

inconsistency in the overall process.

I personally do not have the time to read every thread and post seeking out the apparent missed tos violations.

Funny how some members recall missed tos violations, yet don't bother to report them.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Was the post about the "handjob date" reported? If not, why was it acted upon? And why was no consideration given to the context of that post versus the cocksucker comment in the other thread?

It does seem a tad over the top.

[Mags 112]

Mags, as a former moderator, I thought you would "feel our pain" and be a little less critical.

We attempt to respond to complaints, adjudicate arguments and enforce the TOS to the best of our ability. There are no agendas here or "targeted threads". Given the new report center, driven by member reports,

I am sure you can imagine the workload foisted upon us. We are trying to be fair and resonable, although we have admitted

inconsistency in the overall process.

I personally do not have the time to read every thread and post seeking out the apparent missed tos violations.

Funny how some members recall missed tos violations, yet don't bother to report them.

William,

As a former moderator I have held my tongue. In fact, I have not said a single thing against VJ moderation on this board until the last day or so.

I know how hard it is to please everyone and I know that it can be quite stressful at times. But, having been a mod, I actually have the benefit of seeing both sides of the coin, too. I'm always going to be the first to admit I was far from a perfect mod. However, what is currently going on is just blowing my mind, to be frank.

This current trend of making invisible every single post with a profanity is utterly ridiculous. Especially in this thread. And, it seems, is actually a little vindictive.

This is where context comes into play.

By all mean, if someone starts spewing bad language in a religious thread then make it invisible. But in a thread like this? It's a little much, don't you think?

We're all adults here and we all use profanity to a certain extent. Everyone in this thread is a big girl/boy and can cope with the odd bit of crude language. Ewok himself even said, not long ago, that profanity IS allowed within a certain context.

The current modding is OTT. You are spending time removing profanity when you should be spending time removing anti-Muslim and racist threads. This thread offends no one. And, if it does, perhaps the title UK B!tches Unite should indicate to them that they aren't in a thread which is full of pretty rainbows, prancing ponies and little kittens.

William and the rest of the modding crew, you all need to calm the hell down. I don't know what has happened to make you become all so ####### about stuff, but it isn't cool and it isn't VJ.

[William33 110]

Was the post about the "handjob date" reported? If not, why was it acted upon? And why was no consideration given to the context of that post versus the cocksucker comment in the other thread?

It does seem a tad over the top.

Just checked the report center and yes, the first item was reported and actioned.

I cannot speak to the other point, as I was not aware of it until after the fact.

[The_Dude 1,142]

William,

As a former moderator I have held my tongue. In fact, I have not said a single thing against VJ moderation on this board until the last day or so.

I know how hard it is to please everyone and I know that it can be quite stressful at times. But, having been a mod, I actually have the benefit of seeing both sides of the coin, too. I'm always going to be the first to admit I was far from a perfect mod. However, what is currently going on is just blowing my mind, to be frank.

This current trend of making invisible every single post with a profanity is utterly ridiculous. Especially in this thread. And, it seems, is actually a little vindictive.

This is where context comes into play.

By all mean, if someone starts spewing bad language in a religious thread then make it invisible. But in a thread like this? It's a little much, don't you think?

We're all adults here and we all use profanity to a certain extent. Everyone in this thread is a big girl/boy and can cope with the odd bit of crude language. Ewok himself even said, not long ago, that profanity IS allowed within a certain context.

The current modding is OTT. You are spending time removing profanity when you should be spending time removing anti-Muslim and racist threads. This thread offends no one. And, if it does, perhaps the title UK B!tches Unite should indicate to them that they aren't in a thread which is full of pretty rainbows, prancing ponies and little kittens.

William and the rest of the modding crew, you all need to calm the hell down. I don't know what has happened to make you become all so ####### about stuff, but it isn't cool and it isn't VJ.

Mags, you should know better than to use the word ####### in this thread. Obviously, someone is going to be offended, and we can't rely on moderators to comprehend context.

[Pooky 3,786]

William and the rest of the modding crew, you all need to calm the hell down. I don't know what has happened to make you become all so ####### about stuff, but it isn't cool and it isn't VJ.

Seems to me that everyone needs to calm down, Moderators, Legacy Members, N00bs and Newbies alike.

Chill, people

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Just checked the report center and yes, the first item was reported and actioned.

I cannot speak to the other point, as I was not aware of it until after the fact.

It was removed after a link was posted by Charles in the site discussion thread. The reasoning being that because Marc's cocksucker comment in a thread from a few weeks ago was removed, that for purposes of "consistency", the anecdote from a day or so ago in THIS thread about giving a handjob on a date be removed as well.

One post was a direct insult. The other was a personal anecdote.

[William33 110]

William,

As a former moderator I have held my tongue. In fact, I have not said a single thing against VJ moderation on this board until the last day or so.

I know how hard it is to please everyone and I know that it can be quite stressful at times. But, having been a mod, I actually have the benefit of seeing both sides of the coin, too. I'm always going to be the first to admit I was far from a perfect mod. However, what is currently going on is just blowing my mind, to be frank.

This current trend of making invisible every single post with a profanity is utterly ridiculous. Especially in this thread. And, it seems, is actually a little vindictive.

This is where context comes into play.

By all mean, if someone starts spewing bad language in a religious thread then make it invisible. But in a thread like this? It's a little much, don't you think?

We're all adults here and we all use profanity to a certain extent. Everyone in this thread is a big girl/boy and can cope with the odd bit of crude language. Ewok himself even said, not long ago, that profanity IS allowed within a certain context.

The current modding is OTT. You are spending time removing profanity when you should be spending time removing anti-Muslim and racist threads. This thread offends no one. And, if it does, perhaps the title UK B!tches Unite should indicate to them that they aren't in a thread which is full of pretty rainbows, prancing ponies and little kittens.

William and the rest of the modding crew, you all need to calm the hell down. I don't know what has happened to make you become all so ####### about stuff, but it isn't cool and it isn't VJ.

Mags,

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I recall when working together with you in moderation, that we often times struggled over some of the issues that continue today. My perspective on profanity and vulgarity is this: If a new member reads some of this material from legacy members, they cannot possibly ascertain the potentially good natured context it was delivered in. This is after all, an immigration help website.

One possible solution to this may be, a disclaimer on OT and the regionals, that clearly states the expected content.

Further, that the majority of posts are from seasoned members or those that have largely finished their journey.

Edit: Spelling.

Edited August 16, 2010 by William33