Is a violation affecting GOOD moral character?

[NickD 203]

Here is a similar case in California http://www.justice.gov/eoir/vll/intdec/vol24/3613.pdf.

Here is yet another person at another immigration that sounds exactly like you.

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roberto gasta

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Please tell me your opinion about my N400

Hi,

Next october I will be eligible for Naturalization, however I am not sure if I my application will be apporved, please take a look at my case below:

Here is biefly a summary of my application;

- Married to a US citizen in 2005;

- recived conditional GC after STOKES interview in 2005 (or second interview)

- removed conditions on GC: Obtained permanent GC in 2008;

- divorced my spouse in 2009

- in 2009 I was arrested and charged with patronizing a lady; I was offered and I accepted a deal to apply guilty to a VIOLATION;

- I lost my job in 2009, now I work part time as teacher;

- In 2009 and 2010 I traveled a lot out of the US, I been out for 5 month on a single trip but never interruped continuous residency

PLEASE tell me your opinion regarding my case:

- How many chances do I have to be approved?

- Worse case senario: is my GC at RISK if I apply?

thank you for your contribution"

An yet another one from another immigration board that sure sounds like you:

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peppino

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N400: arrested after talking to a (cop) prostitute: what happens now?

Hi Last friday at 4am here in Queens -NY I've started a conversation with a fake prostitute, that kept offering free services, "let just us go around the corner";..... Stupid me, I fell into the trap And. Few steps later walking with the lady a group of cops surrounded me and arrested me for "patronizing a prostitute"; after me other 6 guys fell into the same trap;

After one and 1/2 day in jail The judge, after I played guilty, downgraded my charges into a non-criminal charge of disorderly conduct with a fine to pay $150 + 120$ search fees.

Re my N400 Next year I will reapply (I withdraw the first N400 application based on the 3 years rule cos my wife filed for divorce): at these questions:

Have you ever been arrested? Do I have to say yes??

How does what happened will reduce my chances of passing the interview? Do I need a lawyer?

Pls I need to know where I stand

Thanks"

How many more can I find? What's your game?

Feel all these posts should be deleted.

[gigant 0]

Here is a similar case in California http://www.justice.gov/eoir/vll/intdec/vol24/3613.pdf.

Here is yet another person at another immigration that sounds exactly like you.

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roberto gasta

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Please tell me your opinion about my N400

Hi,

Next october I will be eligible for Naturalization, however I am not sure if I my application will be apporved, please take a look at my case below:

Here is biefly a summary of my application;

- Married to a US citizen in 2005;

- recived conditional GC after STOKES interview in 2005 (or second interview)

- removed conditions on GC: Obtained permanent GC in 2008;

- divorced my spouse in 2009

- in 2009 I was arrested and charged with patronizing a lady; I was offered and I accepted a deal to apply guilty to a VIOLATION;

- I lost my job in 2009, now I work part time as teacher;

- In 2009 and 2010 I traveled a lot out of the US, I been out for 5 month on a single trip but never interruped continuous residency

PLEASE tell me your opinion regarding my case:

- How many chances do I have to be approved?

- Worse case senario: is my GC at RISK if I apply?

thank you for your contribution"

An yet another one from another immigration board that sure sounds like you:

"

peppino

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Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 44

N400: arrested after talking to a (cop) prostitute: what happens now?

Hi Last friday at 4am here in Queens -NY I've started a conversation with a fake prostitute, that kept offering free services, "let just us go around the corner";..... Stupid me, I fell into the trap And. Few steps later walking with the lady a group of cops surrounded me and arrested me for "patronizing a prostitute"; after me other 6 guys fell into the same trap;

After one and 1/2 day in jail The judge, after I played guilty, downgraded my charges into a non-criminal charge of disorderly conduct with a fine to pay $150 + 120$ search fees.

Re my N400 Next year I will reapply (I withdraw the first N400 application based on the 3 years rule cos my wife filed for divorce): at these questions:

Have you ever been arrested? Do I have to say yes??

How does what happened will reduce my chances of passing the interview? Do I need a lawyer?

Pls I need to know where I stand

Thanks"

How many more can I find? What's your game?

Feel all these posts should be deleted.

WHAT IN THE WORLD IS YOUR BUSINESS how many posts you find in other web forums!

Seriously, are you a moderator? than you should understand concerns of posters

Are you not a moderator? So What do you care how many other websites a poster can ask his questions??

NickD I dont like your attitude, stop being an ####!

[NickD 203]

WHAT IN THE WORLD IS YOUR BUSINESS how many posts you find in other web forums!

Seriously, are you a moderator? than you should understand concerns of posters

Are you not a moderator? So What do you care how many other websites a poster can ask his questions??

NickD I dont like your attitude, stop being an ####!

So this is your post:

" Hi Last friday at 4am here in Queens -NY I've started a conversation with a fake prostitute, that kept offering free services, "let just us go around the corner";..... Stupid me, I fell into the trap And. Few steps later walking with the lady a group of cops surrounded me and arrested me for "patronizing a prostitute"; after me other 6 guys fell into the same trap;

After one and 1/2 day in jail The judge, after I played guilty, downgraded my charges into a non-criminal charge of disorderly conduct with a fine to pay $150 + 120$ search fees. "

Provides a lot more information, sounds like you were suckered in twice, first by that alleged prostitute, was she or he cute? Second by the judge with threats. Were you drunk at the time? If I were you, would be screaming, a first class sting operation, forbidden in some states, I don't know about yours. That "that kept offering free services" does not fall under prostitution.

[Captain Oates 911]

I mean,

even IF I file 5 years after my disgraced conviction, (so the 5 years statutory period prior filing is "clean", with no convictions),

who knows if the IO will still consider me a person of not GMC?,

The feeling here is that the final decision is DISCRETIONAL to the IO; is discretional if if file now and it will still be discretional 5 years from now

He/she may still deny my case, the only difference is if I file 5 years from now I have a solid base for appeal because

I meet the 5 years statutory period requirement (unless law changes and will extend the 5 years period into 10 years..)

Like you said I need a good attorney; however the cost of an hypotetical appeal or lawsuit against CIS just scares me..

Must admit I have never heard of a 5 year statutory period before which the USCIS must ignore the offense...

I wonder if there is some confusion between what the law holds against you for 5 years and how far back the USCIS can go. I think they are two different things.

I think the USCIS can go back to when you were born as another poster suggested...

[gigant 0]

So this is your post:

" Hi Last friday at 4am here in Queens -NY I've started a conversation with a fake prostitute, that kept offering free services, "let just us go around the corner";..... Stupid me, I fell into the trap And. Few steps later walking with the lady a group of cops surrounded me and arrested me for "patronizing a prostitute"; after me other 6 guys fell into the same trap;

After one and 1/2 day in jail The judge, after I played guilty, downgraded my charges into a non-criminal charge of disorderly conduct with a fine to pay $150 + 120$ search fees. "

Provides a lot more information, sounds like you were suckered in twice, first by that alleged prostitute, was she or he cute? Second by the judge with threats. Were you drunk at the time? If I were you, would be screaming, a first class sting operation, forbidden in some states, I don't know about yours. That "that kept offering free services" does not fall under prostitution.

THE COP ####### WAS offering "ALL INCLUDED SERVICES" for 20$, I call that like a free deal, I was not drunk and I already admitted my mistake;

As per screaming at STING operations I am still screaming today. But I cant go back now.

At trial, the lawyer assigned to me mentioned that the judge offered a deal to pled guilty of disorderly conduct: I didnt sleep that night and I didnt know that, if I plead not guilty, I could probably have those charges dismissed.

Now All I want to know is how many people with the same conviction PASSED and become a citizen;

If I have no chances to become a citizen, probably I will have no chances to renew my GC in 2015;

That means I will become an illegal alien and Id have to leave the country and start a new life at 42.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT??

[Captain Oates 911]

as per nickd's post a long way back - this is not a deportable offense.

You can live on GC in the US for the rest of your life

However, for Naturalization, the incident might be considered to refute 'good character'

So it looks like you might be denied citizenship, but your GC will remain valid as it's not deportable.

ie not a crime of moral turpitude

If this is the advice your attorney gives you then I would say it sounds correct

How important is citizenship ? - it lets you vote and serve on a jury and import relatives

If any of these are not a major concern then forget it

My friend in Atlanta has been here 15 years and stays GC. He says he is British and that's that

Edited August 16, 2010 by saywhat

[NickD 203]

THE COP ####### WAS offering "ALL INCLUDED SERVICES" for 20$, I call that like a free deal, I was not drunk and I already admitted my mistake;

As per screaming at STING operations I am still screaming today. But I cant go back now.

At trial, the lawyer assigned to me mentioned that the judge offered a deal to pled guilty of disorderly conduct: I didnt sleep that night and I didnt know that, if I plead not guilty, I could probably have those charges dismissed.

Now All I want to know is how many people with the same conviction PASSED and become a citizen;

If I have no chances to become a citizen, probably I will have no chances to renew my GC in 2015;

That means I will become an illegal alien and Id have to leave the country and start a new life at 42.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT??

Read some or your responses from the other boards you posted on, pretty worthless, right! And also have to realize you came here via marriage that ended up in a divorce. You didn't give the details on that, but seems to be yet another detriment for applying for US citizenship.

Also have to realize that you weren't born here, for some reason that makes a huge difference. My beloved wife wasn't born here either and she is not a US citizen like I am. Recall all my contacts with the USCIS, never wanted to talk to me, but to her, wait a second, I am trying to defend my family was my first response. Also raise hell with our governor when our DMV refused to renew her drivers' license because her conditional card was expired and what int he hell is a one year extension notice. This ended up with constant phone calls for over a week. At first they just wanted to renew her license to the expiration of her extension notice. Refused that, but I am a natural born citizen and also a veteran of a foreign war. This is the kind of treatment you are giving me for putting my life on the line so you can enjoy freedom. They broke down and issued her the full eight year license. Without her license, she would lose her job. If I was expected to lay down my life for your freedom will in like manner lay down my life for my freedom. Pretty powerful argument.

In contrast, it appears you do not have a US citizen fighting for you. You are searching for someone else in your predicament to learn how that turned out. Didn't spend hours on the net, but couldn't seem to find a case like yours. Saywhat suggests you throw in the towel, that is your decision to make. I personally detest sting operations, but I am also not in your position. Seems like you been at this for a couple of years without success, boards are apparently not your answer. Can also tell you trying to find a good attorney requires a lot of homework.

The way our system works, a judge is an attorney, normally one that isn't very successful in private practice, if his prior law firm is going against you, you don't stand a chance in court. And our legal system is as such, you can't fight it, because you are dealing with a brother hood of attorneys.

Also do not like how our USCIS works, as a natural born US citizen, they are not there to protect me against fraud, but to accuse me of fraud with stiff fines and a prison term. Didn't like that at all and certainly expressed my views to my senator and congressman. I was guilty until I proved myself innocent in direct contradiction to our supreme law, the US Constitution!

As a LPR, you are further down the list, its up to you as to if you want to take that risk or not. Sure there are a lot of details that would take forever to cover. Boards can't do that.

[Captain Oates 911]

Read some or your responses from the other boards you posted on, pretty worthless, right! And also have to realize you came here via marriage that ended up in a divorce. You didn't give the details on that, but seems to be yet another detriment for applying for US citizenship.

Also have to realize that you weren't born here, for some reason that makes a huge difference. My beloved wife wasn't born here either and she is not a US citizen like I am. Recall all my contacts with the USCIS, never wanted to talk to me, but to her, wait a second, I am trying to defend my family was my first response. Also raise hell with our governor when our DAV refused to renew her drivers' license because her conditional card was expired and what int he hell is a one year extension notice. This ended up with constant phone calls for over a week. At first they just wanted to renew her license to the expiration of her extension notice. Refused that, but I am a natural born citizen and also a veteran of a foreign war. This is the kind of treatment you are giving me for putting my life on the line so you can enjoy freedom. They broke down and issued her the full eight year license. Without her license, she would lose her job. If I was expected to lay down my life for your freedom will in like manner lay down my life for my freedom. Pretty powerful argument.

In contrast, it appears you do not have a US citizen fighting for you. You are searching for someone else in your predicament to learn how that turned out. Didn't spend hours on the net, but couldn't seem to find a case like yours. Saywhat suggests you throw in the towel, that is your decision to make. I personally detest sting operations, but I am also not in your position. Seems like you been at this for a couple of years without success, boards are apparently not your answer. Can also tell you trying to find a good attorney requires a lot of homework.

The way our system works, a judge is an attorney, normally one that isn't very successful in private practice, if his prior law firm is going against you, you don't stand a chance in court. And our legal system is as such, you can't fight it, because you are dealing with a brother hood of attorneys.

Also do not like how our USCIS works, as a natural born US citizen, they are not there to protect me against fraud, but to accuse me of fraud with stiff fines and a prison term. Didn't like that at all and certainly expressed my views to my senator and congressman. I was guilty until I proved myself innocent in direct contradiction to our supreme law, the US Constitution!

As a LPR, you are further down the list, its up to you as to if you want to take that risk or not. Sure there are a lot of details that would take forever to cover. Boards can't do that.

I don't like sting operations either - they are very close to, or over the line about 'agent provocateur'. I spend 6 years studying criminal law while I was in the Police Force in the UK and I got my Sergeant's exam and I came 4th in the UK in the Inspector's exam (Which is as high as UK criminal law exams go in the Police Force). US criminal law is based so much on English/Welsh law that even in the mid 1800's, case law in London was reported to the US and immediately incorporated into US case law.

Leaving a car with the keys in is a bit borderline, and dressing a woman officer to importune passer's by is over the line in my mind. I watch the Chris Hansen thing where he traps internet sex offenders and that seems tainted to me even though it is fingering people who 99% of the time would be carrying on this activity without the stooge '15 years olds' working for the TV/Police

I have doubts about whether these sting operations are not procuring and encouraging someone to commit a crime. I remember the police testing a tracking device and leaving a bugged bicycle outside a newspaper shop on a council estate in the UK. The longest it ever went without getting stolen was 20 minutes. Nobody was prosecuted as it's too near 'agent provocateur' in England. It was a technology test only.

The line is far higher in the UK than it is in the US. The smell of fresh coffee and bagels will tempt the most determined of dieters.

Really I don't think the police should be into scattering temptations around the town - it's too easy - it's unsporting. If someone wants to leave a wallet full of money on the sidewalk to see who is dishonest and doesn't hand it in, that should be left to 'candid camera' shows and not the police.

I still have a dim view of folks who are hanging around in alleyways at 4am and talking to real or fake hookers, but what the police are doing is cheating in my book.

[NickD 203]

State governors can pardon such an incident, if gigant wants to take up his issue with him/her. Sure sounds like a case of police/judge racketeering, but gigant has to lay all of his cards on the table. He is the victim and up to him to take care of it.

He basically wants to know if someone got through the USCIS with a similar incident, so far, no volunteers.

[Captain Oates 911]

State governors can pardon such an incident, if gigant wants to take up his issue with him/her. Sure sounds like a case of police/judge racketeering, but gigant has to lay all of his cards on the table. He is the victim and up to him to take care of it.

He basically wants to know if someone got through the USCIS with a similar incident, so far, no volunteers.

I bet he sweats bullets at the interview if he does apply.