Citizenship From Birth

[one...two...tree 2,762]

See the 13th Amendment. I'm sure since the 14th applies to them the 13th does as well.

Unfree Labor.

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See the 13th Amendment. I'm sure since the 14th applies to them the 13th does as well.

We clearly need to amend it. Amend #14 to create a new class of perpetually stateless people resident in america, and amend #13 to allow us to make proper use of them.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

We clearly need to amend it. Amend #14 to create a new class of perpetually stateless people resident in america, and amend #13 to allow us to make proper use of them.

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[slim 1,530]

When we can't even do that in Hollywood... how are we going to do that in real life?

[mawilson 2,133]

We clearly need to amend it. Amend #14 to create a new class of perpetually stateless people resident in america, and amend #13 to allow us to make proper use of them.

Now you're thinking like a white man. There's hope for you in middle-class suburbia after all!

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Now you're thinking like a white man. There's hope for you in middle-class suburbia after all!

this is why i hang out on vj. i am trying to learn the ways of the white man.

[slim 1,530]

this is why i hang out on vj. i am trying to learn the ways of the white man.

Greed, ignorance, apathy, and you'll do just fine!

[mawilson 2,133]

this is why i hang out on vj. i am trying to learn the ways of the white man.

+1

[Ban Hammer 13,408]

this is why i hang out on vj. i am trying to learn the ways of the white man.

so when are you going to start voting republican?

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so when are you going to start voting republican?

once the transformation is complete, inshallah.

[Ban Hammer 13,408]

once the transformation is complete, inshallah.

[DEDixon 39]

One of the biggest problems many Western European countries have been facing with immigrants is that they have had less integration or homogenization while the U.S. has not had that happen. Not yet at least. And there is strong indication that Birthright Citizenship is one of the contributing factors. Birthright Citizenship in this country means that this country, at least in terms of our Constitution, doesn't care where you came from, what you look like, or who your parents were - if you are born here, you become a citizen of the U.S.. Maybe that's a difficult concept for many Europeans to grasp, but it means a lot to us Americans who value the traditions and framework that made this country the great melting pot that it has always been since the formation of this country.

the US is not integrated, not by a long shot.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

the US is not integrated, not by a long shot.

Immigrants in the U.S. are a lot more integrated than ones in Western Europe, particularly for the second and third generation descendants.

Here's an interesting piece from 2006: (Soren Kern)

If Demographics is Destiny, Europe Won't Be Running the 21st Century

(excerpt)

But back to the issue of population: How did the United States, which turned 230 years old in July 2006, get so big so quickly? America's phenomenal growth has been propelled by a combination of economic stability, a relatively high birth rate, longevity and immigration. Indeed, the United States is the largest immigrant-receiving country in the world. Some 50 percent of the 100 million extra Americans are recent immigrants or their descendents, many of them from Latin America.

Europe, however, is also a magnet for immigration: It is set to attract around 600,000 to 1 million immigrants this year. (In fact, according to the United Nations, about 1.6 million migrants would be required on an annual basis, over the next decades, for ageing Europe to preserve its workforce at current levels.)

So why is the American experience with immigration so different from that of Europe? Part of the reason, as some studies show, is that in Europe, many or most immigrants to the continent end up on welfare, while in the United States, almost all immigrants take one or more entry-level jobs and work their way up the economic ladder. Welfare is simply not the American way.

Moreover, most immigrants to the United States are fully integrated into American society by the second generation, regardless of their country of origin. According to Joel Kotkin, an authority on American economic, political and social trends: "Even if the first generation might feel some tug of the old language and culture, virtually every study of the second generation indicates in-creasing integration into the American mainstream, both linguistically and culturally".

By contrast, most of the immigrants to Europe are Muslims who are not easily integrated. Indeed, over the past 30 years, Europe's Muslim population has more than doubled, and its growth rate continues to accelerate. According to data compiled in the US State Department's Annual Report on International Religious Freedom, there are almost 25 million Muslims living in Europe today. And instead of assimilating into mainstream European society, Muslim immigrants tend to cluster in marginalised ghettos all across the continent; they make up more than 25 percent of the population of Marseilles, 15 percent of Brussels and Paris, and 10 percent of Amsterdam, for example.

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[Heracles 417]

BY, you typically take anecdotal evidence to conclude some generalization or stereotype. Ron shared his personal story. I made no argument based on that but only thanked him for sharing it. And just like my former colleague who is Canadian with a Chinese wife, both non-USC's living here in the states for more than a decade, I was pointing out that such a scenario could be problematic for the parents of the children born here, of them being defacto, stateless. That's not an unrealized fear. It has happened in Europe. There are over 600,000 stateless people currently living in Europe. They have no country to call their own, let alone go home to.

Which is no different to the example present by Big Dog, as well as that illustrated by the ABC nightly news.

If these people's children have a problem with being stateless, then they need to take it up with their country of citizenship. It's not Europe's responsibility to make up for any other country's shortfalls.

It's nice and all that you are so concerned about the rest of the world, it really is. That said, should your time and effort not be better used focusing on the issues America and Americans face, than worrying about the status of someone who willing entered another nation illegally. You are so concerned with the plight of foreigners, that you ignore the plight of your fellow Americans.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

If these people's children have a problem with being stateless, then they need to take it up with their country of citizenship.

How can they 'take it up' if no country will give them citizenship? 12 million stateless people in the world today, many of whom don't qualify as refugees. And I'm willing to bet that near zero of them are descendants of U.S. citizens. We don't have a problem here with statelessness because of jus soli.

Let me ask you - your family came to Australia from Greece, correct? Were you born in Greece or in Australia?