USA is now Arizona

[drbob 0]

Okay please cut the poor man some slack I know his mind is going in circles at this time. Casprd is the only person here speaking with common sense at this time. My question for the gentleman is how much documentation did you front load with the filing?

Bob S.

Edited July 30, 2010 by drbob

[Noah&Diah 2]

Nobody is discriminating against you because you are a Native American. This country has policies and rules that need to be followed...why you brought Arizona into this is beyond me. I'm sure everyone on VJ is against Illegal immigration after we have all spent time and money bringing our loved ones here legally. Also, if you hate this country so much...give up your monthyly check you get from the U.S. Government that is paid to all Native Americans for the injustices carried out against your ancestors. The U.S. Governments has done nothing to you or singled you out in any way. Have fun in China, I'm sure theirs is a more just and free society.

Noah

[y2catalyst 3]

All front loading was in I-129F which included travel, modest money I send her every month, communication records and engagement ring receipt. Additional ongoing proof they never looked at it.

[drbob 0]

All front loading was in I-129F which included travel, modest money I send her every month, communication records and engagement ring receipt. Additional ongoing proof they never looked at it.

Thanks I was just curious because I have been in the same situation before. They receive a ten pound package this time with my I-130 filing. This time once the NVC stuff is done I'm returning to China to be there and go with her to the interview. I will also go to the American Citizen meeting the day before to make sure they know I'm there along with a new EOR notirized by they consulate. I'm retired so I'm able to do this. Best of luck to you I will not post again.

Bob S.

[Rob and Jill 82]

Being white...the only racism "tolerated". If anyone else had inserted any other ethnicity into the words written in this thread it would have been a TOS violation, but this was allowed.

To: y2catalyst

I am sorry you are feeling emotionally distraught over your situation. There are lots of people on VJ who feel worse emotions for less, and less emotion over a lot more trying circumstances.

With that being said, I don't remember any form I had to fill out for the immigration process of my fiance asking for my skin color or ethnic background. I am going to be blunt when I say this:

In my opinion, every time a miniority screams "You did this to me because I am XXXXXXX race" their creditability goes down in my eyes.

This is not to say that racism doesn't exist, we all know it does. However, crying wolf when it isn't the cause of a tribulation in your life makes the whole situation seem...absurd. Save your rants about how the white man screwed you for when you really need them...this issue is not about your race.

I also take offense to your comments that the US is still in the South. As a born, bred, and raised Southerner I can assure you that racism is NOT as prevelant where I am from as the TV likes to make it look.

Also with that being said, it seems as if you have calmed down and are actually focusing on what you need to do to fix the situation, so hopefully that outburst was a one time thing.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Rob and Jill

[Dodi 69]

Also, if you hate this country so much...give up your monthyly check you get from the U.S. Government that is paid to all Native Americans for the injustices carried out against your ancestors.

Noah, I'm not defending catalyst in any way, because I think he was dead wrong... but wth are you talking about? I'm also a registered American Indian with the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, and we don't get checks. I don't know who lied to you, but the tribes themselves get money from the government. We'd be lucky to get a discount on our car tags or some government-issue commodity food, and possibly free low-grade healthcare, if you can wait six months to get an appointment with one of the indian clinics around here (few and far between in most major cities).

I'm with everyone else. There is a right way and a wrong way to ask for help. If you're just wanting to rant and blow off steam, fine. By all means, we're here to listen. But don't get racist. Don't bring Arizona into this. This thread is ridiculous.

[sachinky 465]

You had an online relationship, presumably? Was it a short courtship?

How many times have you met in person? How much evidence of relationship was provided? Any difference in age? Disparity in looks? Difference in educational/social backgrounds?

I know meeting while still not formally divorced is a red flag in Vietnam--could possibly be the same in China? I don't know.

This is simply my personal opinion, but I always recommend against providing money receipts as proof for K-1s. To me, it just looks odd. Remember, they are still your fiancee, not your wife.

Darnell should be able to help you out. He is very knowledgeable about China, as is VJ member Pushbrk.

And yes, please, don't play the 'race card' -- it is highly distasteful.

Edited July 30, 2010 by sachinky

[garfield529 47]

No red flags that I am aware. The only thing I can think is my Divoce was filed in 2007 and the divorce was final July 2010. I put that in my letter with copies of 2007 copy of filed divoce. I met Zheng April 2009 and visited her October 2009, So I can go back this month and file again in September.

hey dude, sorry about the white slip, but am I wrong or are you miss quoting above? You indicate just receiving a white slip for a K1, but also just stated a finalized divorce in July 2010?? If this is true, then the fact that you were not "legally free to marry" is the reason for your white. Please correct me if I am wrong in your wording. Good luck!

[Ning 619]

I talk to her many hours today, we will not give up, I do not say I am above or less than anyone and my citizenship is rooted in this country since it was founded. Yes, I am angry and sad because there are things I do not understand, I know it is more than income and mine is over 100k per year. I overcame hardships growing up and made choices along the way that put me in a position where I think I can decide to exercise my rights as a citizen of USA regardless of what Country she is from and marry her. We talked a long time today and I think I will go to Chongqing in a few weeks again, and file K1 Visa Again and see why USA will refuse us Again!

You continue to think the problem is about your citizenship, ethnic background or income level. It isnt any of those things. You havent been denied the right to marry her. She has been denied the privilage of visa to come to the USA. She has no rights in the USA & you know that. You still havent said why they denied her visa. If you file again & dont change the approach you can expect the same outcome.

There are many people here with direct experiance with China & its embassy. Why not drop the anger & ask them to assist you?

You can go to China marry her & then file for a CR 1 visa. That is very different than a K 1. The wife of an American citizen is seldom denied an immigrant visa.

[sachinky 465]

You may only file the I-129f petition if both of you are free and able to marry.

If your divorce was just finalized, then at the time of filing you were clearly not free to marry.

That is enough reason to deny the K-1.

[yohino 22]

hey dude, sorry about the white slip, but am I wrong or are you miss quoting above? You indicate just receiving a white slip for a K1, but also just stated a finalized divorce in July 2010?? If this is true, then the fact that you were not "legally free to marry" is the reason for your white. Please correct me if I am wrong in your wording. Good luck!

I was thinking the same thing, according to the OP's timeline he filed his I-129F 2009-12-31 but if his divorce wasn't finalized until July 2010, that's where the problem is. I was under the assumption you have to be free to marry when you submit the first paperwork.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I was thinking the same thing, according to the OP's timeline he filed his I-129F 2009-12-31 but if his divorce wasn't finalized until July 2010, that's where the problem is. I was under the assumption you have to be free to marry when you submit the first paperwork.

You do. In the letters of intent, you specifically state that you are ready, willing and able to marry each other. One partner still being married (even if a divorce is pending) makes that statement untrue.

If this is actually the case, then that'd be exactly why the K1 Visa was denied. Nothing to do with race or discrimination, just a lack of planning and understanding the rules on behalf of the petitioner.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Coconuts

[y2catalyst 3]

You do. In the letters of intent, you specifically state that you are ready, willing and able to marry each other. One partner still being married (even if a divorce is pending) makes that statement untrue.

If this is actually the case, then that'd be exactly why the K1 Visa was denied. Nothing to do with race or discrimination, just a lack of planning and understanding the rules on behalf of the petitioner.

Sorry to everyone I offended, I can’t repost or take any words back as you know I was emotionally charged when I received the new. Arizona wants to profile, different subject and should not use that headline. As far as race card, how can I play that card, it will get me nothing with this application or appeal.

Well, there are several good comments on both sides of the fence, but at the same time I was wrong to point my race for any reason, on the other hand we did everything I can think of, including having attorney, income and solid root in this Country. Deciding to live in another country to be with who I love has nothing to do that I hate USA, but I hate this process where some VO is splitting hairs on bona fide relationship without looking at future evidence.

Ok, yes, Divorce filed and separated in 2007 and I explained this in letter but they never want to look at my EOR letter and attached Divorce filing. I met her in April 2009 on internet, so maybe this is the reason, I will let lawyer advice from here.

Hope those offended get over the offence, we all face some discrimination throughout our life, and my comment is not intended to discriminate or use race card, I am Just shocked! Will be my last post here so everyone can get on with their life as well I.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Sorry to everyone I offended, I can’t repost or take any words back as you know I was emotionally charged when I received the new. Arizona wants to profile, different subject and should not use that headline. As far as race card, how can I play that card, it will get me nothing with this application or appeal.

Well, there are several good comments on both sides of the fence, but at the same time I was wrong to point my race for any reason, on the other hand we did everything I can think of, including having attorney, income and solid root in this Country. Deciding to live in another country to be with who I love has nothing to do that I hate USA, but I hate this process where some VO is splitting hairs on bona fide relationship without looking at future evidence.

Ok, yes, Divorce filed and separated in 2007 and I explained this in letter but they never want to look at my EOR letter and attached Divorce filing. I met her in April 2009 on internet, so maybe this is the reason, I will let lawyer advice from here.

Hope those offended get over the offence, we all face some discrimination throughout our life, and my comment is not intended to discriminate or use race card, I am Just shocked! Will be my last post here so everyone can get on with their life as well I.

But WHY are you shocked? You were not divorced until this month, and yet you filed for a K1 Visa back in December. It doesn't matter how legitimate your relationship is at that point if you are still legally married with a divorce pending.

[Carolina+James 1]

Calm down! We are more helpful if you are polite to us! Everyone in this community had their own trials and difficulties, if you wish to share yours, please at least calm down and don't offend others.

hey dude, sorry about the white slip, but am I wrong or are you miss quoting above? You indicate just receiving a white slip for a K1, but also just stated a finalized divorce in July 2010?? If this is true, then the fact that you were not "legally free to marry" is the reason for your white. Please correct me if I am wrong in your wording. Good luck!

That which I quote. I got an RFE because my husband (fiance at the time) forgot to send this document (certified copy of the final divorce decree), the process would not continue without it.

Your fiance's file (the I-129 package) probably did not contain the final divorce decree, since it came so recently. You need to prove you are "free to marry" to be able to bring a fiance. It is a shame they did not question this to her, for she would be able to have you send a certified copy of it to her. I hope this is what happened and you can fix it all with a piece of paper.

And to repeat what others said, everyone has to prove they are american citizens, there is no exception. The easier way to do this is to send a certified copy of your passport, or without one, driver's license + birth certificate is what worked for my husband.

Also, for bonafide relationship tips, there is many suggestions on the I-129 guide here at VJ. Pictures together count a lot.