Republican candidate for Governor says his kids dont look Hispanic, so not worried about Arizona law

[Nikita2Charles 32]

Needless to say since that day I change my strategy and it works.

NEVER LOSE CONTROL

So if i noticed a cop tagging or something, I just look for the next safest place to pull over, at this point the Patrol car(cop) either has to come over or go on his way.

[slim 1,530]

being stopped by police for no other reason than looking hispanic,

That's not the intent of this law, nor is there anything giving police the authority to do so.

being detained by police if you can't immediately provide proof of citizenship or legality and possibly being held in a jail cell or one of those freakish tent city jails until you can prove you're "legal"

Is there a burden of proof for someone to establish they're here legally or is there a burden of proof for police to say someone is here illegally?

That's like saying "we're going to put you in jail until you can prove you didn't commit the crime." (Which is how it actually works, but that's not how the law is written. Innocent until proven guilty applies in all cases, even this one.)

immigration laws need to be enforced in a way that does not possibly ensnare and harass american citizens and others who are here legally because they might sorta kinda look like a mexican.

I don't see how this new law is doing that. It's not like they're driving the paddy wagon around picking up anyone with brown skin so they can ID them as legal or not. What they're doing is creating an extra tool for law enforcement to use once they've determined someone's legal status to be in question. It's not arbirtrary detention, it's based on the same thing everything else police base their detentions on - probable cause.

in that case, why stop there then? why not just flush the whole damn 4th amendment down the toilet while yr at it? if we quit worrying about all that "right to a speedy trial" ####### and just let people rot in jail cells while the state takes their own sweet time to bring up charges, the state would probably have even better conviction rates too.

Are they holding people indefinitely? It seems to me you're reading into this a little too much. Like most places, there's a limit to how long someone can be held without charges or trial.

is that discomfort worth it then? exactly where do you draw the line? when did you start hating the constitution and loving big government's boots on people's necks?

My tinfoil hat is as thick as anyone else's, but this isn't the Patriot Act. This isn't the government expanding their powers to arbitrarily detain civilians for "looking a certain way." This is a tool for law enforcement to use to further prosecute criminals and, surprisingly enough, it's not based on skin color, it's based on documentation. Real paper work. Real IDs. Public information.

Doesn't sound like a conspiracy to me.

i bought a new mac lipstick the other day from a woman at the store with a british accent. should i have questioned her immigration status because her accent is totally foreign and not all that common in the pacific northwest? maybe have called the police so they could check her papers because she wrote the date as 27/7/10 instead of 7/27/10 the way real americans do? i bet she says zed instead of zee too...definitely suspicious...

So you said she was working, right? Why wouldn't you check with her employer or direct the police to HR instead? No need to slap the flexi-cuffs on her, throw a bag over her head and whisk her away in the black helicopter.

I see where you're going with this and I believe you have plenty of reason to do so... just not in this case. This state law is not the Patriot Act.

what is your limit on civil liberty infringement? how much power are you willing to surrender to your government in order to round up them there illegals?

I simply do not see how this new law is any different than a Terry stop. Whenever you're questioned by the police for anything, you're subject to detention if you're suspected in a crime. The only thing this law is doing now is making it officially legal to detain someone who is suspected of being here illegally. I'd like to remind everyone - that is a crime.

nothing i have written has been about how any law affects "them". how the law affects "them" is completely beside the point i've been making. my concern, first and foremost, is how this could affect american citizens and people residing in america legally, and how it can infringe on their rights. you say it's valid to be concerned about how the presence of illegal immigrants in this country are "enabling further expansion of government powers" but are not concerned about how this law also does that?

This law does not further enable the government to do anything. It simply makes it legal to do what they're already allowed to do based on immigration status in addition to crime.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Needless to say since that day I change my strategy and it works.

NEVER LOSE CONTROL

So if i noticed a cop tagging or something, I just look for the next safest place to pull over, at this point the Patrol car(cop) either has to come over or go on his way.

Seems you have a bit of paranoia.

[Ban Hammer 13,469]

Few years ago when I 1st move to California, I was in the city of Mountain View, and I noticed this cop tagging me for a good 10-15 minutes without any

putting his signal or sirene, when i drove into a residential area, i could see the car still following me, so finally i said time to get out of this town, right before I got onto the Free, the signal finally came, when I asked what's the reason for stopping me you get the same

License and Registration

Gave it to her,

When she came back, again I asked her what's the reason for Stopping me, YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ME FOR THE PAST 15Minutes, IS THERE A PROBLEM?

She said she stop me because of the stop sign, needless to say

SHE's A FUTURISTIC COP< SHE ALREADY KNEW 15 MINUTES EALIER I was going to take a stop sign. Which I didn't because Guess what she wrote on the ticket

"FAILURE TO STOP AT THE LIMIT OF THE STOP SIGN"

It wasn't one of the major intersection with the big white crosswalk, just a regular street with just the yellow lines, So the question is

IF A COP IS FOLLOWING YOU FROM BEHIND< HOW CAN SHE SEES WHERE THE FRONT OF MY CAR TO SAY I WENT OVER THE YELLOW LINE?

I COULD UNDERSTAND IF SHE WAS IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION< OR AT THE CORNER, but this is the REAL LIFE not some FICTION

you were new to the town, eh? maybe that's why they was following you.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Are you implying that the majority of pot smokers now are Hispanic?

I don't see pot becoming legal even if millions of middle class whites smoke it so your racial theory goes up in smoke.

Your crackheads for Obama line needs to consider the following:

"Obama administration urges equal penalties for crack, powder cocaine dealers

Testifying before a Senate judiciary subcommittee, Breuer and other witnesses said that the guidelines, instituted in 1986 when authorities feared that crack use was becoming an epidemic, were based on faulty assumptions -- including that crack users were far more violent and dangerous to the community than powder cocaine users."

http://articles.lati...tion/na-crack30

"Many of the hearing witnesses, including members of the Sentencing Commission, acknowledged important differences between crack and powder cocaine: crack is more addictive than powder cocaine; it accounts for more emergency room visits; it is most popular among juveniles; it has a greater likelihood of being associated with violence; and crack dealers have more extensive criminal records than other drug dealers and tend to use young people to distribute the drug at a greater rate. In short, the evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates significant distinctions between crack and powder cocaine.

Importantly, with regard to the question of racial disparity, the Sentencing Commission's own report states, "Clearly, the penalties apply equally to similar defendants, regardless of race. * * * [T]here is no evidence that Congress or the Sentencing Commission acted with any discriminatory intent in setting different statutory guideline penalties for different forms of cocaine." The Administration expressed its opposition to the Commission's proposal to reduce the penalties for crack cocaine trafficking offenses.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/leg15.htm

There's more pros and cons in the article.

Look at history, at the time pot was made illegal it was a "black" thing. That pot laws fall heaviest on minorities is easily verified by both rates of conviction and terms of sentencing. Your hispanic straw man and follow up comments are irrelevant and simply wrong.

The so called justifications for disparity between crack and powder cocaine is for digestion of thoughtless persons such as yourself, as I have never had a friend die from use of crack, however have lost two to "safe" powder cocaine. Why anyone would use either substance is beyond me, but the sentencing disparity is racial, not safety related. Unless of course you believe in fairies.

[Heracles 417]

Look at history, at the time pot was made illegal it was a "black" thing. That pot laws fall heaviest on minorities is easily verified by both rates of conviction and terms of sentencing. Your hispanic straw man and follow up comments are irrelevant and simply wrong.

The so called justifications for disparity between crack and powder cocaine is for digestion of thoughtless persons such as yourself, as I have never had a friend die from use of crack, however have lost two to "safe" powder cocaine. Why anyone would use either substance is beyond me, but the sentencing disparity is racial, not safety related. Unless of course you believe in fairies.

What's the demographic or those pushing and selling it? End of story.

[The_Dude 1,142]

What's the demographic or those pushing and selling it? End of story.

Are you asking about pot, or cocaine/crack? Let's be honest, drug dealers don't really have to "push" them, at all. Drugs sell themselves

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What's the demographic or those pushing and selling it? End of story.

The story is either true or it isn't. It doesn't matter who is pushing it.

[Heracles 417]

Are you asking about pot, or cocaine/crack? Let's be honest, drug dealers don't really have to "push" them, at all. Drugs sell themselves

Caucasians probably have higher drug use anyway. You couldn't pay me to use any of that #######.

Edited August 2, 2010 by Heracles

[The_Dude 1,142]

Caucasians probably have higher drug use anyway. You couldn't pay me to use any of that #######.

It's more logical to do drugs than smoke tobacco. I'm just saying