GM Volt's price induces some sticker shock

[mawilson 2,133]

Which has a higher total cost of ownership?

Who cares?

[^_^ 5,021]

Who cares?

Someone who isn't wealthy should.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Someone who isn't wealthy should.

Like people who worry about having to pay an extra $70 a year for their electricity under Cap and Trade.

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You're brutal, Steven.

[SMR 368]

trouble is that it is common knowledge that a huge percentage of americans sell their home every 5 years. solar conversions do not return one's investment for a very long time so only the rich who have money to waste will seriously consider.

and glad you mentioned California since it is the poorest example of all for installing solar. my energy costs are less than 100 a month! i don't need A/C in the summer and i don't need a huge amount of heat in the winter so it takes a lot longer to return one's investment so again wide installations of solar isn't going to happen even with a rebate program.

although it gets hot in the california's central valley, those people aren't california's rich so they would never seriously consider installing solar because 1) they can't afford and 2) in the back of their mind, they know they will be moving within 5 years (moving to a better place in same town is what many do) and 3) bathroom/kitchen install has better ROI.

maybe you have never owned a house so you haven't ever had to decide how and where to invest in it - most people consider the kitchen and bathrooms with new flooring throughout then they are done until they move. fresh paint and curb appeal immediately before they move not solar.

any smart home owner should also realize solar needs to be maintained so yet another cost that destroys ROI.

mini solar installations isn't the way to go in my opinion. i live where it is windy but no way i'm installing a windmill - too expensive and ROI is a long long way out. massive wind farms, massive solar panel farms i think are the way to go even though they can't replace a power plant.

so every time i see an electric car, i see a coal burner. and the owner, after paying 41,000 dollars still has to pay PG&E to power it.

at this time, hybrids are a better use of one's cash though from an expense POV a mini copper is a better buy.

if electric cars are our future, i see a lot of people standing along the side of the road who didn't make it home before the thing lost its charge.

For better or worse, electric and even hybrid cars just don't give a good return on investment. A Prius is $22000+ MSRP while a corolla, for instance, is $14k. Considering the difference in fuel mileage, even if gas hits $5/gallon, you won't make up the money until you have driven nearly 200,000 miles. And that's if you pay outright. If you're borrowing an extra $8000, you have more interest to deal with.

[mawilson 2,133]

Like people who worry about having to pay an extra $70 a year for their electricity under Cap and Trade.

Not me. Bring it on, Obuma.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Not me. Bring it on, Obuma.

No need to worry now. Cap and Trade is all but dead for now. But look out for the EPA to restrict industrial air pollutants, including CO2.

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No, not my CO2!

[Ban Hammer 13,919]

Like people who worry about having to pay an extra $70 a year for their electricity under Cap and Trade.

it's dead, so don't

[one...two...tree 2,762]

No, not my CO2!

Soon, we'll all be driving Hondas...or riding bikes.

[Heracles 417]

Have you guys seen those commercials claiming Co2 is good? Next they are going to claim the oil spill was good for the ocean.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

A number of posts have been removed for TOS violations. Stop the insults and the inappropriate labeling or this thread will be closed.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

link

Let's see him try it on this one.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Have you guys seen those commercials claiming Co2 is good? Next they are going to claim the oil spill was good for the ocean.

You might want to sit down for this........ plants use CO2

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It has a role to play, in the correct amounts.