Now this is upsetting.

[Udella&Wiz 325]

D&JDianaM - a quick question. You got these same answers from people in the Cdn forum (including the folks who are Cdn and responded to you in this threadtoo) and we have all said that yes you can visit and there are some worst case scenarios where people have been denied and then successful at other attempts (ie: canadian _wife).

Nno one can give you the 100% "YES" answer that you're looking for, that you won't be denied or pulled into secondary first. Get you evidence together and plan a trip - if they deny you again then I guess somebody peed in the border guard's cornflakes that day or YOU didn't have the evidence they thought proved ties. It's as siumple as that. Folks here have told you everything they know that would be helpful.

You can rant as much as you like here about the injustice of it all, but eventually it won't do much good. Get prepared and give it another shot. or ask your Fiancé to come visit instead and avoid the hassle entirely.

They throw people out for way worse things then not having the right ties....and you can yell discrimination as loud as you like, but I suggest you get over it.

Sorry to be harsh...but your ranting is not helping you get to where you want to be - which is visiting your Fiancé...right?

[Tater&Bugger 3]

Just got back yesterday... been over 7 times in the last month and a half. It all depends on the officer when you enter the US and if they believe you are entering with good intentions (assuming you are).

[ryna 132]

We all know how difficult it is to have to wait to be with our loved one so I'm not trying to sound harsh, either, but why doesn't he just visit you during the wait?

It's the ONLY option available to the majority of us. Remember, at least you have a chance of being allowed a visit before receiving your visa. From what I understand, being turned around at the border (for reasons of possible immigrant intent) won't affect your K-1 visa, so you can always try. And, if you don't get in now but have ever had the opportunity to visit him in the U.S. before the K-1 petition was filed, you're already more fortunate than most.

[Udella&Wiz 325]

We all know how difficult it is to have to wait to be with our loved one so I'm not trying to sound harsh, either, but why doesn't he just visit you during the wait?

It's the ONLY option available to the majority of us. Remember, at least you have a chance of being allowed a visit before receiving your visa. From what I understand, being turned around at the border (for reasons of possible immigrant intent) won't affect your K-1 visa, so you can always try. And, if you don't get in now but have ever had the opportunity to visit him in the U.S. before the K-1 petition was filed, you're already more fortunate than most.

Agreed - we Cdn's take what we are allowed to do for granted...it is so much harder from other countries.

[Undefined 4]

You can PM me by clicking on my VJ name and the choosing to send a message.

Yes you should try and cross but don't expect to get in. Go prepared to get denied (sort of plan for the worst but hope for the best). You'll need to be polite "yes sir" and "no ma'am" no matter how upset you are or how riled they try and get you. When they finally let me in, the woman said "I'll charge you with fraud right now, tell me the truth" so which I replied "yes ma'am, I am telling the truth, here is my proof".

It is heaps harder to get in once you have been deined. Again, did you sign anything or have anything written in your passport?

Good luck

No I have nothing in my passport and I didnt sign anything. Sorry I didnt answer you right away yesterday. They suspended me lol

How you doing?

We all know how difficult it is to have to wait to be with our loved one so I'm not trying to sound harsh, either, but why doesn't he just visit you during the wait?

It's the ONLY option available to the majority of us. Remember, at least you have a chance of being allowed a visit before receiving your visa. From what I understand, being turned around at the border (for reasons of possible immigrant intent) won't affect your K-1 visa, so you can always try. And, if you don't get in now but have ever had the opportunity to visit him in the U.S. before the K-1 petition was filed, you're already more fortunate than most.

He came visit me last month . I know thanks for your opinion and advice .

D&JDianaM - a quick question. You got these same answers from people in the Cdn forum (including the folks who are Cdn and responded to you in this threadtoo) and we have all said that yes you can visit and there are some worst case scenarios where people have been denied and then successful at other attempts (ie: canadian _wife).

Nno one can give you the 100% "YES" answer that you're looking for, that you won't be denied or pulled into secondary first. Get you evidence together and plan a trip - if they deny you again then I guess somebody peed in the border guard's cornflakes that day or YOU didn't have the evidence they thought proved ties. It's as siumple as that. Folks here have told you everything they know that would be helpful.

You can rant as much as you like here about the injustice of it all, but eventually it won't do much good. Get prepared and give it another shot. or ask your Fiancé to come visit instead and avoid the hassle entirely.

They throw people out for way worse things then not having the right ties....and you can yell discrimination as loud as you like, but I suggest you get over it.

Sorry to be harsh...but your ranting is not helping you get to where you want to be - which is visiting your Fiancé...right?

Yeah. True. Thanks.

Agreed - we Cdn's take what we are allowed to do for granted...it is so much harder from other countries.

Actually we dont. Maybe some do. But Americans are the ones that take things for granted more. Of course not all of them.

Just got back yesterday... been over 7 times in the last month and a half. It all depends on the officer when you enter the US and if they believe you are entering with good intentions (assuming you are).

Aren't you a lucky one? eh? good for you.

[brightskte 18]

Mathew and I both visited multiple times during our visa process. Never had a bit of trouble.

I am curious, though. If you can't stand Americans so much why are you moving here? In both of your threads you've spoken about how awful Americans are and how we take things for granted. If you don't like us so much, why doesn't he move to you???

And always, ALWAYS remember that your attitude can have A LOT to do with getting through at the border. If you act towards them the way you act on these boards sometimes that may be part of the reason why they've been reluctant to let you through. That may not be the case, and I'm sure that you're going to say that no one understands what you've been through but I assure you others have been through the same exact thing as you. Many people have not been let through to other countries. Many people have been treated worse. And not just at the American borders. Many Americans have been treated like ####### at other country borders, just as many other citizens of different countries have been treated badly. There is no fair in this fight. CBP officers have all of the power and we have NONE. All we can do is hope that they're having a nice day, that our evidence of return is sufficient, and that we get let through. There is never a guarantee.

[Undefined 4]

Mathew and I both visited multiple times during our visa process. Never had a bit of trouble.

I am curious, though. If you can't stand Americans so much why are you moving here? In both of your threads you've spoken about how awful Americans are and how we take things for granted. If you don't like us so much, why doesn't he move to you???

And always, ALWAYS remember that your attitude can have A LOT to do with getting through at the border. If you act towards them the way you act on these boards sometimes that may be part of the reason why they've been reluctant to let you through. That may not be the case, and I'm sure that you're going to say that no one understands what you've been through but I assure you others have been through the same exact thing as you. Many people have not been let through to other countries. Many people have been treated worse. And not just at the American borders. Many Americans have been treated like ####### at other country borders, just as many other citizens of different countries have been treated badly. There is no fair in this fight. CBP officers have all of the power and we have NONE. All we can do is hope that they're having a nice day, that our evidence of return is sufficient, and that we get let through. There is never a guarantee.

True. And I dont hate Americans or U.S. Or I woudnt have got engaged to one and been battling to be with him. Its just sometimes the whole Canada/U.S. things after a while gets to you. But you're right. It sucks that they have so much power. When probably out of their field they have none. And yes I know I gotta be calm and collected but man that dont help when they already decided to not let someone in and boom its my turn lol. But I get what you're saying. Im trying my hardest. But I know I gotta try harder. Thanks for your support and advice good luck to u too.

[jken 2]

There's something I learned when I was in the military, and it's helped me every time I've had to deal with the US government...

If you're asking for something that is a privilege (i.e., not a right) then there's a chance they will presume you don't deserve it, and will treat you like #######. DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY! Yes, they really are just doing their jobs, and they have nothing against you personally. Remain calm, answer their questions, and let them do what they were trained to do, which is to weed out the people who should be denied. If you approach the situation with the attitude that you are owed a certain amount of respect and courtesy, then you'll only make it more difficult and more stressful. They detect this as arrogance, and they pounce on it. The CBP officer is neither your friend nor your enemy. He's just a guy with a job to do, and that job requires him to detect people who should not be allowed to enter the US. Help him do his job, and you'll get through the ordeal with a lot less stress and anxiety.

I went in late May- took with me...rent reciept for june, phone bill, and a letter from my employer stating when i was due back at work.

they never asked for anything...just the usual questions. I knew what to take becuase i did my homework here. We all know how you feel...long distant r/s arent easy...but we're on your side remember? Best advice...go expecting the worse...be happy if you they let you in. Above all don't have attitude.

[Undefined 4]

I get where you are coming from JimVaPhuong but I dont agree with you. And its not true they are just doing their ''jobs'' and trying to keep the ''bad'' ones out. They let more bad in then good. And Im sorry they are the ones who take things for granted and think they have every right in this world. I get where you are coming from and I do understand but im sorry I dont care who you are and what you do. I get I need to be calm and cool but they sometimes make it hard and im the one being arrogant? Excuse me some of them pounce on you even before you approach them or even before they see you or you talk to them. You can be the nicest person alive if they woke up from the wrong side of the bed it dont matter. So all of you saying they are just doing their jobs blah blah is delusional and full of #######. But its your opinion and I respect that. So respect mine. If not stop responding. Im tired of people getting repetetive and not respecting my opinion. We all had different experiences so deal with it. Thank you.

I went in late May- took with me...rent reciept for june, phone bill, and a letter from my employer stating when i was due back at work.

they never asked for anything...just the usual questions. I knew what to take becuase i did my homework here. We all know how you feel...long distant r/s arent easy...but we're on your side remember? Best advice...go expecting the worse...be happy if you they let you in. Above all don't have attitude.

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. I like your answer short and to the point not like many in here they babble on and I still didnt get an answer to my question. Like most CBP they just babble on and you're like huh? lol

[ryna 132]

Would you feel any better if I told you that sometimes they even grill and give the 3rd degree to returning US CITIZENS? While it's true they can't send a USC back to where they came from, they can certainly slow down their return and make it generally unpleasant.

It's THEIR game. YOU have to play it...

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Hahahahahaha.

This is pretty funny.

[Undefined 4]

Would you feel any better if I told you that sometimes they even grill and give the 3rd degree to returning US CITIZENS? While it's true they can't send a USC back to where they came from, they can certainly slow down their return and make it generally unpleasant.

It's THEIR game. YOU have to play it...

True but no less frustrating. And CHILL! No need to be damn rude.

Hahahahahaha.

This is pretty funny.

LMAO! funny because being so rude is unecessary.

[Undefined 4]

Would you feel any better if I told you that sometimes they even grill and give the 3rd degree to returning US CITIZENS? While it's true they can't send a USC back to where they came from, they can certainly slow down their return and make it generally unpleasant.

It's THEIR game. YOU have to play it...

yeah so just because you are ''American'' you think you have all the privileges in this planet? That the problem that most of you think your God gift. NOT! Chill you make other people look bad. lol. P.S Not all Americans are bad my Fiancee is amazing hehe

[ryna 132]

True but no less frustrating. And CHILL! No need to be damn rude.

It wasn't my intention to be rude, just trying to tell you that they can be like that to anyone. Until you have cleared immigration and customs, the CBP officers have almost un-Constitutional (in my opinion) search and detention powers. That's just the way it is because they've been given nearly total discretionary powers. There is no way to say for certain ahead of time that anyone will get in at all (aliens) or get in without a hassle (even USCs).

[ryna 132]

yeah so just because you are ''American'' you think you have all the privileges in this planet? That the problem that most of you think your God gift. NOT! Chill you make other people look bad. lol. P.S Not all Americans are bad my Fiancee is amazing hehe

I'm not the one complaining that a non-USC/non-US resident should expect unlimited access to this nation.