Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in Context'

[_Simpson_ 250]

I don't think you understand the analogy - not based on that comment anyway. Perpahs if you expanded what you mean it might be clearer?

"[Hitler] is the product of a series of actions." - Oliver Stone

I know what he meant.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Hitler/Stalin, bleh - both are equally guilty of killing millions of people, maybe Stalin a little more actually...

I will say that there is a strong Jewish message though at the end of the day. Stone has a point. The majority of people killed during the war were not Jews, it just so happene they got singled out as a large chunk of their group was in certain areas and with allies as the victor, it was easy to put that as the 'main story' of the atrocities that took place.

There's much more to look at than the holocaust of the Jewish people and I think that's what Stone is trying to put out there.

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What does that mean? That Hitler did not kill 20/30 million Russians because I can asure you that that's the normal figure that historians agree on.

Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler did. But it is true that the Soviet Union bore the brunt of the casualties during WWII. Should that in anyway minimize the Holocaust?

[Peikko 1,575]

"[Hitler] is the product of a series of actions." - Oliver Stone

I know what he meant.

So do I. What he means is, it's easy to lay the blame on Hitler and abdicate any responsibility for the rise of such a man to power". Yes, it's easy to do, but it's not historically accurate. Ultimately, Hitler is to blame for his aggressions, his 'final solution' and his usurping of the German people via a mighty propoganda machine and elimination of democracy (Hitler and his cronies in power), and a more nasty character it is hard to imagine but to ignore all the other factors that led to his rise to power, his ability to engage in hostilities on the Eastern front without an immediate and forceful response from other nations is to engage in a fantasy that there are 'good' countries and 'bad' ones. Sorry, no, that will not wash.

As to Stone's anti Jewish rhetoric, as I said, that's hogwash too, the truth is much more uncomfortable.

Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler did. But it is true that the Soviet Union bore the brunt of the casualties during WWII. Should that in anyway minimize the Holocaust?

Did I suggest somewhere that it should?

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Madame Cleo is a Holocaust denier?

[Ban Hammer 13,710]

Madame Cleo is a Holocaust denier?

well she's the one with the crystal balls, so if she says it didn't happen, it didn't happen.

[Peikko 1,575]

How does anything I have written equate to a denial of the holocaust? It very much did happen and it was entirely and utterly reprehensible, inhumane and objectionable and the ultimate blame for it happening at all lies with Hitler and his cronies.

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How does anything I have written equate to a denial of the holocaust?

You know what they say about the quacking duck.

[Peikko 1,575]

Right, so where am I implying that the holocaust did not happen? Where have I implied that the holocaust was not a heinous crime? Where have I implied that the ultimate responsibility for the holocaust lies squarely with Hitler, the Nazi regime and the 'Final Solution'?

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Right, so where am I implying that the holocaust did not happen?

This is what happens when you think no one can read what you wrote. Are you by any chance Boo Yah's alter ego?

[_Simpson_ 250]

So do I. What he means is, it's easy to lay the blame on Hitler and abdicate any responsibility for the rise of such a man to power". Yes, it's easy to do, but it's not historically accurate. Ultimately, Hitler is to blame for his aggressions, his 'final solution' and his usurping of the German people via a mighty propoganda machine and elimination of democracy (Hitler and his cronies in power), and a more nasty character it is hard to imagine but to ignore all the other factors that led to his rise to power, his ability to engage in hostilities on the Eastern front without an immediate and forceful response from other nations is to engage in a fantasy that there are 'good' countries and 'bad' ones. Sorry, no, that will not wash.

As to Stone's anti Jewish rhetoric, as I said, that's hogwash too, the truth is much more uncomfortable.

No one is saying that we shouldnt understand how things came to be. What Stone is doing here and I think it is very obvious, Stone is trying to put some of the blame elsewhere. I think we can both agree that Hitler is 100% to blame.

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No one is saying that we shouldnt understand how things came to be. What Stone is doing here and I think it is very obvious, Stone is trying to put some of the blame elsewhere. I think we can both agree that Hitler is 100% to blame.

No, I don't think we can. He is to blame for his policies and he is to blame for his actions, but he is not to blame for the inaction of others, the tolerance of others for his Germany despite what was known about his aims, the willingness by many people in power and authority in other countries to appease first and for the fact that anti-semetism and anti-communism fueled much of this inaction.

[_Simpson_ 250]

No, I don't think we can. He is to blame for his policies and he is to blame for his actions, but he is not to blame for the inaction of others, the tolerance of others for his Germany despite what was known about his aims, the willingness by many people in power and authority in other countries to appease first and for the fact that anti-semetism and anti-communism fueled much of this inaction.

Your trying to complicate this, he is responsible for the heinous things he did. Stone is trying to misplace some of that blame on others because "we helped/let it happen".

No, I don't think we can. He is to blame for his policies and he is to blame for his actions, but he is not to blame for the inaction of others, the tolerance of others for his Germany despite what was known about his aims, the willingness by many people in power and authority in other countries to appease first and for the fact that anti-semetism and anti-communism fueled much of this inaction.

Your trying to complicate this, he is responsible for the heinous things he did. Stone is trying to misplace some of that blame on others because "we helped/let it happen".

[_Simpson_ 250]

No, I don't think we can. He is to blame for his policies and he is to blame for his actions, but he is not to blame for the inaction of others, the tolerance of others for his Germany despite what was known about his aims, the willingness by many people in power and authority in other countries to appease first and for the fact that anti-semetism and anti-communism fueled much of this inaction.

Your trying to complicate this, he is responsible for the heinous things he did. Stone is trying to misplace some of that blame on others because "we helped/let it happen".