You are too white to be American! Says Latino KKK

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

You might want to reconsider your opinion based on actual genetic evidence linking most latino populations to indigenous roots.

Even those that seem to be mostly European.

Then again, considering why Spanish is the lingua franca of most latino populations, head to a decent history book. No self-hating there, and none needed either.

The connection between "Latinos" and True Spanish: During its heyday as a World Imperial Power the Spanish Gov't funded many expeditions to find and claim "New Worlds" for the Spanish Crown thus securing trade routes and new resources. The usual Spanish method of negotiating with the indigenous population was rather simple:

1) Come Ashore.

2) Impose Catholicism on the locals.

3) Rape the local women as all of the soldier's wives, mistresses and such were all the back home.

4) Force the locals to take Spanish names.

5) Force them to learn Spanish.

I suppose you could argue that Filipinos are Latino also, just living on the other side of the planet, as that's what happened to them. In fact there is a large overlap between the First Official Language of the Philippines (Tagalog) and Spanish.

I can claim the indigenous birthright to North America as any Latino as my European Ancestors have married Native American women.

[HAL 9000 96]

Good for you if you can claim this. I was arguing something separate altogether.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Good for you if you can claim this. I was arguing something separate altogether.

I wasn't arguing anything, was I?

I don't care about skin color so the whole are they pink or brown is irrelevant to me, they're ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS regardless of whether they're Yellow, Brown, Black, White, Pink, Purple, or Day F'ing Glow Orange.

My statement was illustrating how ridiculous their comments about all whites being illegal immigrants really are.

[HAL 9000 96]

I wasn't arguing anything, was I?

I don't care about skin color so the whole are they pink or brown is irrelevant to me, they're ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS regardless of whether they're Yellow, Brown, Black, White, Pink, Purple, or Day F'ing Glow Orange.

My statement was illustrating how ridiculous their comments about all whites being illegal immigrants really are.

And good for you. Have a chill pill.

Just check that wording. Chances are all of those nutty protesters are USC.

And indeed, I agree... nobody should go anywhere. Unless you can show me a time machine and we can manipulate history like in that Orson Scott Card book about Columbus realizing the disaster his voyages would unleash.

[alienlovechild 75]

3) Rape the local women as all of the soldier's wives, mistresses and such were all the back home.

5) Force them to learn Spanish.

I suppose you could argue that Filipinos are Latino also, just living on the other side of the planet, as that's what happened to them. In fact there is a large overlap between the First Official Language of the Philippines (Tagalog) and Spanish.

Most Filipinos aren't descendents of the Spanish so all those rapes didn't produce many offspring.

"During the above mentioned study conducted by Stanford University Asia-Pacific Research Center, it was stated that 3.6% of the Philippine population has varying degrees of European ancestry from Spanish, and American colonization."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_people

Most Filipinos never learned Spanish as it was for upper class, government and church. There are lot of Spanish words in the Filipino languages but they can't speak Spanish as they aren't mutually intelligible.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

I suppose you could argue that Filipinos are Latino also, just living on the other side of the planet, as that's what happened to them. In fact there is a large overlap between the First Official Language of the Philippines (Tagalog) and Spanish.

Most Filipinos aren't descendents of the Spanish so all those rapes didn't produce many offspring.

"During the above mentioned study conducted by Stanford University Asia-Pacific Research Center, it was stated that 3.6% of the Philippine population has varying degrees of European ancestry from Spanish, and American colonization."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_people

Most Filipinos never learned Spanish as it was for upper class, government and church. There are lot of Spanish words in the Filipino languages but they can't speak Spanish as they aren't mutually intelligible.

Okay, I quoted the only part of my earlier post that mentions Filipinos and I don't see where your reply contradicts it.

BTW, the "Spanish{ish}" features that are present in so many Filipinos (Curly Hair, Nose Shape & un"Chinky" Eyes) that are not typical Asian features goes to show that there were enough offspring from the Spanish colonization to still the the effects how many hundreds of years later.

I never said if you can speak Tagalog then you can speak & understand Spanish, only that there is a sizable overlap.

FWIW, most of the "Latinos" don't even speak true Spanish just ask someone who does. They speak a local Spanish{ish} language that uses a lot of slang unique to their region and often times rooted in the languages of the original native populations that were murdered and raped (hopefully not in that order) by the Spanish Invaders.

If my statements offended then I apologize, it wasn't intended that way.

FootNote: The use of "unchinky" isn't racist, it is simply using a common phrase from the Philippines to describe the slanted-eye appearance usually associated with Asian facial features.

[HAL 9000 96]

FWIW, most of the "Latinos" don't even speak true Spanish just ask someone who does. They speak a local Spanish{ish} language that uses a lot of slang unique to their region and often times rooted in the languages of the original native populations that were murdered and raped (hopefully not in that order) by the Spanish Invaders.

This is completely false. In Latin America there are Indigenous languages and there are Romance languages. The differences in the Spanish spoken are regional, not idiomatic as you claim.

[웃 910]

This is completely false. In Latin America there are Indigenous languages and there are Romance languages. The differences in the Spanish spoken are regional, not idiomatic as you claim.

Just curious, where did you learn to speak such good Spanish? Well, I am assuming you speak near perfect fluent native-level Spanish based on a few postings you made in the past (in Spanish).

I majored in Spanish, I can speak it, but I have a long ways to go until I can speak at a native level.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

FWIW, most of the "Latinos" don't even speak true Spanish just ask someone who does. They speak a local Spanish{ish} language that uses a lot of slang unique to their region and often times rooted in the languages of the original native populations that were murdered and raped (hopefully not in that order) by the Spanish Invaders.[/Quote]

This is completely false. In Latin America there are Indigenous languages and there are Romance languages. The differences in the Spanish spoken are regional, not idiomatic as you claim.

How is idiomatic language <> regional language?

Definitions compliments of Merriam Webster (yeah the dictionary people).

idiomatic: Pronunciation: \ˌi-dē-ə-ˈma-tik\

Function: adjective

Date: 1712

1 : of, relating to, or conforming to idiom

2 : peculiar to a particular group, individual, or style

idiom: Pronunciation: \ˈi-dē-əm\

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle French & Late Latin; Middle French idiome, from Late Latin idioma individual peculiarity of language, from Greek idiōmat-, idiōma, from idiousthai to appropriate, from idios

Date: 1588

1 a : the language peculiar to a people or to a district, community, or class : dialect b : the syntactical, grammatical, or structural form peculiar to a language

2 : an expression in the usage of a language that is peculiar to itself either grammatically (as no, it wasn't me) or in having a meaning that cannot be derived from the conjoined meanings of its elements (as Monday week for “the Monday a week after next Monday”)

3 : a style or form of artistic expression that is characteristic of an individual, a period or movement, or a medium or instrument <the modern jazz idiom>; broadly : manner, style <a new culinary idiom>

[웃 910]

FWIW, most of the "Latinos" don't even speak true Spanish just ask someone who does. They speak a local Spanish{ish}

EVERY SINGLE native Spanish speaker, doesn't matter if they grew up in the US, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Spain, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Peru, Chile, Venezuela, Argentina, Equatorial Guinea, etc., can all understand each other 100%.

As a matter of fact, it is much more difficult for an American to understand an Australian (and vice versa) than it is for someone from Spain to understand someone from Bolivia.

Spanish is Spanish. There is a little slang here and there, but it is not anything a true native speaker would not catch onto in a heartbeat.

The pronunciation in English is ridiculously different from speaker to speaker. In Spanish there is only 1 way to pronounce (for the most part)...

Edited July 23, 2010 by Lord Infamous

[HAL 9000 96]

Just curious, where did you learn to speak such good Spanish? Well, I am assuming you speak near perfect fluent native-level Spanish based on a few postings you made in the past (in Spanish).

I majored in Spanish, I can speak it, but I have a long ways to go until I can speak at a native level.

HAL 9000, like C3PO, is fluent in over six million forms of communication. Including native speaking.

[HAL 9000 96]

Bob-

Its the difference between regional dialect (regionalism) vs idiomatic variances (language-level differences). Your post above insinuates the regionalization of Latin American Spanish makes it unintelligible to native speakers. The only true difference in the Spanish spoken inside Latin America (and Spain for that matter) is regional-level vocabulary usage.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

EVERY SINGLE native Spanish speaker, doesn't matter if they grew up in the US, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Spain, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Peru, Chile, Venezuela, Argentina, Equatorial Guinea, etc., can all understand each other 100%.

As a matter of fact, it is much more difficult for an American to understand an Australian (and vice versa) than it is for someone from Spain to understand someone from Bolivia.

Spanish is Spanish. There is a little slang here and there, but it is not anything a true native speaker would not catch onto in a heartbeat.

Where did I say otherwise?

Regarding the English, I would say the hardest part is not different pronunciation but rather the different meaning of some words. Example: here in the US we wear boots & Bonnets, in the UK apparently one is a vehicle trunk and the other the cover for the engine!

I know what you're talking about if you say Aluminum or Aluminium...

[HAL 9000 96]

Here, Bob

FWIW, most of the "Latinos" don't even speak true Spanish just ask someone who does. They speak a local Spanish{ish} language that uses a lot of slang unique to their region and often times rooted in the languages of the original native populations that were murdered and raped (hopefully not in that order) by the Spanish Invaders.

There is no such thing as 'True Spanish' unless you mean Spanish (Spain) that came before any Arabic, Goth, Celtic, Vandal, Cantabrian, etc. inputs. Its about being exact in what we say. There are no local Spanish languages. Its only Spanish.

Anyway... me voy... I've just recovered about 1100 data files I blew past the recycle bin from a memory card... thank goodness for recovery programs.

[Ban Hammer 13,407]

EVERY SINGLE native Spanish speaker, doesn't matter if they grew up in the US, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Spain, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Peru, Chile, Venezuela, Argentina, Equatorial Guinea, etc., can all understand each other 100%.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

you need to get someone from corpus christi talking to someone from chicago to see how effective that theory is.