Israeli court finds Arab man guilty of rape after consensual sex with Jewish woman

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An Israeli man of Arab origin has been convicted of rape after having consensual sex with a woman who had believed him to be a fellow Jew.

Sabbar Kashur, 30, was sentenced to 18 months in prison on Monday after the court ruled that he was guilty of rape by deception. According to the complaint filed by the woman with the Jerusalem district court, the two met in downtown Jerusalem in September 2008 where Kashur, an Arab from East Jerusalem, introduced himself as a Jewish bachelor seeking a serious relationship. The two then had consensual sex in a nearby building before Kashur left.

When she later found out that he was not Jewish but an Arab, she filed a criminal complaint for rape and indecent assault.

Although Kashur was initially charged with rape and indecent assault, this was changed to a charge of rape by deception as part of a plea bargain arrangement.

Handing down the verdict, Tzvi Segal, one of three judges on the case, acknowledged that sex had been consensual but said that although not "a classical rape by force," the woman would not have consented if she had not believed Kashur was Jewish.

The sex therefore was obtained under false pretences, the judges said. "If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," they added.

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Segal said: "The court is obliged to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price – the sanctity of their bodies and souls. When the very basis of trust between human beings drops, especially when the matters at hand are so intimate, sensitive and fateful, the court is required to stand firmly at the side of the victims – actual and potential – to protect their wellbeing. Otherwise, they will be used, manipulated and misled, while paying only a tolerable and symbolic price."

Gideon Levy, a liberal Israeli commentator, was quoted as saying: "I would like to raise only one question with the judge. What if this guy had been a Jew who pretended to be a Muslim and had sex with a Muslim woman?

"Would he have been convicted of rape? The answer is: of course not."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew

[Peikko 1,575]

What a bizarre story. I don't think a case of rape can be made and I don't really see the validity of the 'other scenario'. The case is what it is, not some 'what if' situation. The woman was duped, but the sex wasn't rape.

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What a bizarre story. I don't think a case of rape can be made and I don't really see the validity of the 'other scenario'. The case is what it is, not some 'what if' situation. The woman was duped, but the sex wasn't rape.

From http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jurists-say-arab-s-rape-conviction-sets-dangerous-precedent-1.303109:

Dana Pugach, head of the Noga Center for Victims of Crime, said she thought the verdict was appropriate. "We all have different characteristics, and it is a person's right to have sexual relations with a person knowing the facts about those characteristics. I see no difference between impersonating a Jew if you are an Arab and a wealthy pilot when you are penniless, if those are relevant characteristics to the decision to have sex."

[Peikko 1,575]

From http://www.haaretz.c...edent-1.303109:

Dana Pugach, head of the Noga Center for Victims of Crime, said she thought the verdict was appropriate. "We all have different characteristics, and it is a person's right to have sexual relations with a person knowing the facts about those characteristics. I see no difference between impersonating a Jew if you are an Arab and a wealthy pilot when you are penniless, if those are relevant characteristics to the decision to have sex."

No one 'impersonating a pilot' on order to have sex would be convicted of rape, who are they trying to kid? It is a deception, of course, but deception is not what determines rape - far from it.

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No one 'impersonating a pilot' on order to have sex would be convicted of rape, who are they trying to kid? It is a deception, of course, but deception is not what determines rape - far from it.

I suppose in Israel deception does determine rape... if you're an Arab male.

[slim 1,523]

JDate ROCKS!

What kind of ####### lady hooks up with a dude immediately after meeting him and then claims SHE was morally violated?

If guys can be convicted of rape because they lied to a woman just to have sex with her... we're all doomed! "The sex was obtained under false pretenses." What sex isn't?

[Peikko 1,575]

I suppose in Israel deception does determine rape... if you're an Arab male.

Well, this case does point in that direction. I suppose the argument is that the deception was an act of aggression, that the sex that resulted was not an act of equal participation, but one of domination and power by the Arab over the jew - I don't know though, seems a bit of a stretch to me. I guess the truth rests in how the male viewed his conquest?

JDate ROCKS!

What kind of ####### lady hooks up with a dude immediately after meeting him and then claims SHE was morally violated?

If guys can be convicted of rape because they lied to a woman just to have sex with her... we're all doomed! "The sex was obtained under false pretenses." What sex isn't?

One would hope that when one is in a stable relationship, such as marriage, sex isn't obtained under false pretenses, but then I am a librul poodle that believes in rainbows and unicorns, maybe my hubby is deceiving me?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I'm an astronaut/race car driver. Any sexy ladies want to have sex?

[slim 1,523]

One would hope that when one is in a stable relationship, such as marriage, sex isn't obtained under false pretenses, but then I am a librul poodle that believes in rainbows and unicorns, maybe my hubby is deceiving me?

Does "stable relationship" = hooking up on JDate, meeting at a cafe then bonin down the street? Cause that's clearly what happened here.

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I'm an astronaut/race car driver. Any sexy ladies want to have sex?

He drives race cars in space! It's the bomb.

[Peikko 1,575]

Does "stable relationship" = hooking up on JDate, meeting at a cafe then bonin down the street? Cause that's clearly what happened here.

That's not what you said, you said 'what sex is not obtained by deception'? I provided an answer.

[slim 1,523]

I'm an astronaut/race car driver. Any sexy ladies want to have sex?

My point exactly. I'm pretty sure every dude out there has stretched the truth just a little in order to get some.

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My point exactly. I'm pretty sure every dude out there has stretched the truth just a little in order to get some.

"This ain't my moms house, I just let her live here. Bit#h is crazy though, she acts like she owns the fuc#ing place!"

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That's not what you said, you said 'what sex is not obtained by deception'? I provided an answer.

So husbands didn't stretch the truth a little to their wives? They pulled the biggest dupe game of all.... they convinced them to marry! (Which in turn was a joke on the man but he didn't know it at the time. - More false pretenses.)

[Peikko 1,575]

So husbands didn't stretch the truth a little to their wives? They pulled the biggest dupe game of all.... they convinced them to marry! (Which in turn was a joke on the man but he didn't know it at the time. - More false pretenses.)

Um, well, in your warped world maybe lies and deception are the norm, but not in mine.