Brasileiritchas

[Ladylethal 12]

Nessa, kick Charles's ####### for me.

[Nessa 23]

heheh he's in Virginia, I can't do that now.

Bom dia dorminhocas!!

[Nessa 23]

I have a question. You know when you're filling job applications and they ask race? Well, I was wondering if I should give the info or not (since we have the choice), in all my paperwork to come to the States, biometrics and all I said the true - caucasian, non hispanic - so I asked this person once and this person said it's good to put the info if there's something about you that makes you a minority (being a caucasian female wouldn't be the case) then this person said maybe I should put hispanic instead of caucasian, even though I'm brazilian and my family has german descent (dad's side) and on my mom's side it's a mix of portuguese descent and I'm not sure if italian, only sure of portuguese side, there's no spanish in my family what so ever, this person insists that since I'm from Brazil I must have some hispanic in me. What do you think?

Edited April 21, 2007 by nessaandcharles

[Nessa 23]

Hispanic (Castilian Hispano, Portuguese Hispânico, Catalan: Hispà, from Latin Hispānus, adjective from Hispānia, the Roman name for the Iberian Peninsula) is a term that historically denoted relation to the ancient Hispania and its peoples. However, when the modern day country of Spain was created in the 15th century, it inherited the term, and thus, since then, Hispanic is also related to Spain, its people and its culture. [b]In this process, Portugal was excluded from the term[/b], despite the fact that the territory that nowadays covers was also in the former Hispania[1]. Instead of Hispanic, [b]Portugal adopted the word Lusitanic[/b] for the same purposes (in reference to the former Roman province of Lusitania, which was a part Hispania; ultimately, regarding to the Lusitanians, one of the first Indo-European tribes to settle Europe).

[Ladylethal 12]

Ih Nessa, eu não sei. Eu coloco que sou hispânica, porque acho que o Brazil é considerado latino pros estados unidos, porque estou morando num país latino, e porque sou descendente de espanhóis pelos dois lados da família.

Acho que não faz muita diferença, unless se você colocar que é branca e for asiática, ou algo assim. Acho que talvez os americanos sabendo que você é brazuca iam te considerar hispânica, sei lá.

[Nessa 23]

é que os americanos não sabem nada. Eles nem sabem que no Brasil a gente fala português, todo mundo acha que a gente fala espanhol, that's why eles acham que a gente é hispanic, makes sense to them. Pela definição de hispanic eu não sou, mas sei lá, se eles consideram todo mundo espanhol, de repente eu vou usar isso para o meu benefício.

[Alex+R 0]

é que os americanos não sabem nada. Eles nem sabem que no Brasil a gente fala português, todo mundo acha que a gente fala espanhol, that's why eles acham que a gente é hispanic, makes sense to them. Pela definição de hispanic eu não sou, mas sei lá, se eles consideram todo mundo espanhol, de repente eu vou usar isso para o meu benefício.

At the social security office they show a map of what countries are considered what race, and it's the country of your ethnic origin that counts (obviously not the one you are from, which wouldn't work for places like the US or Brazil). So Germany is considered white (or 'Caucasian', whatever that is). So the "correct" answer for someone predominantly German is white.

eta: I'm not saying that because you don't know your own race, but because maybe that's something you can say to dumbarses like the person who told you that you were hispanic: "the official government race thingy says i'm white"

Edited April 21, 2007 by Alex+R

[Nessa 23]

Do you think you could find that map? Online I mean. I tried at the USCIS site but nothing.

Edited April 21, 2007 by nessaandcharles

[LiszyandKenny 5]

Nessa.. tenta o site do Social Security como a Alex disse...

Eu sempre ponho caucasian tambem.. nunca tive problema

[Nessa 23]

Eu tentei, mas não achei não. Acho que vou começar uma poll perguntando que raça eu sou de acordo com os americanos, of course porque no Brasil eu sempre fui caucasiana. Mas nunca se sabe né? No BRasil meus olhos eram verde e meu cabelo castanho, aqui quando eu tenho que responder sobre a cor dos olhos eles me olham estranho, tipo é mesmo? E se tiver que dizer a cor do cabelo tenho que por brunette já que nào tem opção castanho, ou você é loira ou morena Fala sério.

Edited April 21, 2007 by nessaandcharles

[natty bumppo 297]

Eu tentei, mas não achei não. Acho que vou começar uma poll perguntando que raça eu sou de acordo com os americanos, of course porque no Brasil eu sempre fui caucasiana. Mas nunca se sabe né? No BRasil meus olhos eram verde e meu cabelo castanho, aqui quando eu tenho que responder sobre a cor dos olhos eles me olham estranho, tipo é mesmo? E se tiver que dizer a cor do cabelo tenho que por brunette já que nào tem opção castanho, ou você é loira ou morena Fala sério.

After you finish kicking charles ... and be careful he doesn't enjoy it too much, it would be interesting to hear his thoughts.

I agree most USC believe brasilians speak spanish, not portuguese. As to claiming ethnicity, how does a person from mexico, peru, ecuador, etc. claim themselves if they also are immigrants from another country that may fit the bill (caucasian) but their ancestry in the current country is generations removed from the "home" country. People can and will choose the most convenient origin (in this example LA country ... ergo ... hispanic)

From all my "corporate sensitivity" training, the only group that is truly discriminated against is caucasian male ages 18-45. This group really has no protection against discrimination due to the workplace demographics from when these foolish laws and forms were developed. I did embarrass corporate legal our last "training session" on this topic. (Example, notice how all other ethnic groups and females (and not Caucasian male) have special interest groups to represent them. Now consider who the laws are really constructed to protect.)

I'm not meaning to start a flame war, only saying how utterly stupid these laws/ forms and pigeon holing these things can be. I firmly believe a person is qualified or not to perform a task/ job. Where that person came from (country, ethnic background, sex, etc) doesn't mean squat. The person is simply there because they are legally permitted to be there, and to perform the tasks required for the job. If the person can’t perform the job, then it is not the correct job for the person and all other issues don’t mean anything.

That said, I think you have the best of both worlds. 1) female caucasian 2) female hispanic (using LA country status)

If you have the choice to leave the ethnic issue blank, that is always a good option. It keeps the playing field level and eliminates a potential prejudice.

If you feel that proclaiming your extra minority status might benefit you to secure a job, that option is available.

Just a random thought ... if you choose female caucasian ... someone might not even think about language skills thereby pushing you past that potential barrier. As a female hispanic there might be an additional barrier of language skill consideration. (I'm not saying this is fair but I have seen this happen).

Now I formally declare myself as sitting on the fence, and charles is fully expected to throw a cold beer at me so I can sit with him and enjoy.

[Alex+R 0]

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From all my "corporate sensitivity" training, the only group that is truly discriminated against is caucasian male ages 18-45. This group really has no protection against discrimination due to the workplace demographics from when these foolish laws and forms were developed. I did embarrass corporate legal our last "training session" on this topic. (Example, notice how all other ethnic groups and females (and not Caucasian male) have special interest groups to represent them. Now consider who the laws are really constructed to protect.)

I bet they were embarrassed all right. (But for themselves? Hmm....)

[bora bora 1]

Eliton and I go through this same thing when we fill out papers for him. He is moreno so caucasian is not an option. But he is not hispanic because he does not speak Spanish. It's true that the U.S. has no idea. My sister is bi-racial...what does she put?

Anyway, we mark latin if that is an option - if nothing else fits we choose other (he doesn't see himself as multi-racial).

[Ladylethal 12]

Tales from the Cript:

Juanqui hoje estava meio entediado, ou achou que eu estava com muito tempo livre, pois ele foi fazer uma obra de arte na caixinha de areia dele, e quando terminou, pisou em cima dela na hora de enterrar e lançou-a aos ares, espalhando-a pela parede num estilo de deixar até Pollock com inveja. Daí, todo satisfeito com seu feito, cruzou o apartamento e foi fazer festinha pra mim, EM CIMA da cama.

Resultado:

1) Tive que dar um banho nele. Alguém aqui já pisou em merda de cachorro descalço? Pois é, lavar entre os dedos de um gato não é nada divertido, mas milagrosamente (sabendo-se o tanto que gatos gostam de água) ele se comportou. Acho que já tinha preenchido a quota de besteira que um gato pode fazer num dia.

2) Tive que lavar a parede do cantinho da caixinha.

3) Tive que "lavar" o piso do apartamento todo, que por sinal, eu tinha acabado de limpar.

4) Tive que lavar a roupa de cama (também trocada hoje).

5) Tive que contar até 10, fazer meditação, tomar chá de camomila, e bater a cabeça na parede pra não matar o Juanqui.

[natty bumppo 297]

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From all my "corporate sensitivity" training, the only group that is truly discriminated against is caucasian male ages 18-45. This group really has no protection against discrimination due to the workplace demographics from when these foolish laws and forms were developed. I did embarrass corporate legal our last "training session" on this topic. (Example, notice how all other ethnic groups and females (and not Caucasian male) have special interest groups to represent them. Now consider who the laws are really constructed to protect.)

I bet they were embarrassed all right. (But for themselves? Hmm....)

yes they were.

after listening to all the examples of different groups being discriminated against, and how this is easily done ... like the trouble maker I am ... I substituted the white male 18-45 category into the same examples with a reverse discrimination twist to indicate how the laws discriminated against the white male 18-45.

My co-workers chuckled ... the lawyer blushed ... did a true to life "Bill Clinton" maneuver and tried to duck the question. One of my co-workers noticed this and pressed for an answer. Again the start of the BC maneuver and .... well ... with a room full of engineers in Central VA, the question is answered or you lose all credibility. The corporate lawyer (female) admitted that this male age group is at a legal disadvantage compared to other groups.

You doubt, well to each their own. I suggest contacting your company's corporate legal and doing the research.