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[incanada1234 0]

Most Americans support...gay marriage.

Oh, so that's why gay marriage keeps getting voted down? I see now.

When was it voted down? I remember BANS being voted in, and vetoed actions...

Voting for a ban on gay marriage. Whatever. Same thing.

Did I not say, "I have no problems with your world view as such"? I don't hate what you believe in either because it is not very conducive to dialogue at all. I don't even hate the fact that you result to insults sporadically. The only thing I come close to hating is the unwillingness of some conservatives to come up with sensical arguments to support their point.

Ok, so we've established that you don't hate what (most) conservatives believe in. So - are you annoyed by it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ok, so we've established that you don't hate what (most) conservatives believe in. So - are you annoyed by it?

Not sure what point you are trying to make here - the guy made his views fairly clear I think. As I said, nitpickery

You seem convinced that certain of us represent a specific, dogmatic ideology that is the opposite of everything you believe in. While I disagree with you on many issues - what I do despise is being pigeon-holed and my views written off as something I'm not. You keep referring to people and ideas as "liberal" as though that statement in itself should dismiss them, rather than as Fischkoepfin says, providing a specific and 'sensical' argument.

Edited August 17, 2006 by erekose

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Did I not say, "I have no problems with your world view as such"? I don't hate what you believe in either because it is not very conducive to dialogue at all. I don't even hate the fact that you result to insults sporadically. The only thing I come close to hating is the unwillingness of some conservatives to come up with sensical arguments to support their point.

Ok, so we've established that you don't hate what (most) conservatives believe in. So - are you annoyed by it?

Nope. What I'm annoyed at is the attitude with which many conservatives make their points these days. Meaning, instead of admitting disagreement and offering arguments in support of their stand points, they set out on a slander rampage, denouncing people of other opinions as unpatriotic, traitors, stupid, etc. Acknowledging other ideas as valid - if not right - is not a bad thing, but rather a way of refining one's own argumentative tools.

[incanada1234 0]

Gay marriage gets banned because, despite claims from the right that the country is controlled by stark-raving mad liberals, most legislatures are actually in the hands of right-wing Republicans. Polls, however, show that most Americans are political moderates and as such support several issues condemned by the right, such as gay marriage, etc, because they view any regulations by the government as infringement on their constiitutionally guaranteed freedoms.

This is particularly interesting because back in the day, many people had similar issues when it came to mixed-race marriages, and even after it became more accepted it took legislatures a while to get any anti-miscengenation laws of their records (most recently Alabama in 2000). Just wait and see.

Ooookay. People are voting against gay marriage, but really it doesn't mean people are against gay marriage. Gotcha.

And actually, I have no doubt that gay marriage will be legal in the future. The U.S. (much like the rest of the planet) is becoming more liberal all the time. Someday gay marriage WILL be legal. Unfortunately.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Not sure what point you are trying to make here - the guy made his views fairly clear I think. As I said, nitpickery

Not to be nit-picky, but I am female.

Now, back to the topic.

[incanada1234 0]

Ok, so we've established that you don't hate what (most) conservatives believe in. So - are you annoyed by it?

Not sure what point you are trying to make here - the guy made his views fairly clear I think. As I said, nitpickery

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. You've been trying to tell me this whole time that I have no right to be annoyed by the liberal agenda. Come on, fish, put 2 and 2 together.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ooookay. People are voting against gay marriage, but really it doesn't mean people are against gay marriage. Gotcha.

And actually, I have no doubt that gay marriage will be legal in the future. The U.S. (much like the rest of the planet) is becoming more liberal all the time. Someday gay marriage WILL be legal. Unfortunately.

"Liberal" again. See last two posts.

Edited August 17, 2006 by erekose

[incanada1234 0]

Did I not say, "I have no problems with your world view as such"? I don't hate what you believe in either because it is not very conducive to dialogue at all. I don't even hate the fact that you result to insults sporadically. The only thing I come close to hating is the unwillingness of some conservatives to come up with sensical arguments to support their point.

Ok, so we've established that you don't hate what (most) conservatives believe in. So - are you annoyed by it?

Nope. What I'm annoyed at is the attitude with which many conservatives make their points these days. Meaning, instead of admitting disagreement and offering arguments in support of their stand points, they set out on a slander rampage, denouncing people of other opinions as unpatriotic, traitors, stupid, etc. Acknowledging other ideas as valid - if not right - is not a bad thing, but rather a way of refining one's own argumentative tools.

So you're not annoyed that I'm against gay marriage and that I use the Bible passages as my reasons for being against gay marriage?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So you're not annoyed that I'm against gay marriage and that I use the Bible passages as my reasons for being against gay marriage?

The point is already made. The main objection here is not your views on a specific subject, but the way in which you respond to reasoned arguments by dismissing them as something they are not (i.e. Liberal)

[mawilson 2,133]

While 90 % of Americans believe in some sort of higher being (note: this means not just the Christian God), only a small group (around 30%) are considered Christian fundamentalists, meaning they are in a minority.

That's good to know - thanks. I feel better knowing that 90% of people are idiots, but only 30% are complete idiots.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

So you're not annoyed that I'm against gay marriage and that I use the Bible passages as my reasons for being against gay marriage?

The point is already made. The main objection here is not your views on a specific subject, but the way in which you respond to reasoned arguments by dismissing them as something they are not (i.e. Liberal)

Couldn't have put it any better.

While 90 % of Americans believe in some sort of higher being (note: this means not just the Christian God), only a small group (around 30%) are considered Christian fundamentalists, meaning they are in a minority.

That's good to know - thanks. I feel better knowing that 90% of people are idiots, but only 30% are complete idiots.

Always at your service.

Edited August 17, 2006 by Fischkoepfin

[Jenn! 918]

While 90 % of Americans believe in some sort of higher being (note: this means not just the Christian God), only a small group (around 30%) are considered Christian fundamentalists, meaning they are in a minority.

That's good to know - thanks. I feel better knowing that 90% of people are idiots, but only 30% are complete idiots.

[Alex+R 0]

While 90 % of Americans believe in some sort of higher being (note: this means not just the Christian God), only a small group (around 30%) are considered Christian fundamentalists, meaning they are in a minority.

That's good to know - thanks. I feel better knowing that 90% of people are idiots, but only 30% are complete idiots.

oh my goodness

[incanada1234 0]

So you're not annoyed that I'm against gay marriage and that I use the Bible passages as my reasons for being against gay marriage?

The point is already made. The main objection here is not your views on a specific subject, but the way in which you respond to reasoned arguments by dismissing them as something they are not (i.e. Liberal)

Riiiiight.

While 90 % of Americans believe in some sort of higher being (note: this means not just the Christian God), only a small group (around 30%) are considered Christian fundamentalists, meaning they are in a minority.

That's good to know - thanks. I feel better knowing that 90% of people are idiots, but only 30% are complete idiots.

And those 30% of us complete idiots will probably snicker at you 70% when we're in heaven.

[Jenn! 918]

While 90 % of Americans believe in some sort of higher being (note: this means not just the Christian God), only a small group (around 30%) are considered Christian fundamentalists, meaning they are in a minority.

That's good to know - thanks. I feel better knowing that 90% of people are idiots, but only 30% are complete idiots.

And those 30% of us complete idiots will probably snicker at you 70% when we're in heaven.

That sounds very Christian, "hahaha, we told you so!"