Immigrant deaths in Arizona desert soaring in July

[peejay 327]

Many of our elected officials obviously do not take this problem seriously. If our governement would do something to make it impossible for illegals to to be employed, enforce stricter penalties for identity theft (it's waaaayyy more common than some people think), and do away with birth right citizenship then just MAYBE so many would not make the decision to emmigrate illegally. Therefore, less suffering and death that some of you are accusing others of reacting happily to.

I love love love beets btw.

My sentiments exactly. A mirror of what I stated earlier in the thread. Self serving politicians, self serving Hispanic race based organizations, self serving Latin American governments, and self serving Left wing illegal alien cheerleading organizations such as the ACLU & SPLC all have blood on their hands for enticing these people to illegally immigrate with their propoganda and encouragements.

This could not and would not be happening without their misguided and self serving efforts.

[Captain Oates 911]

Many of our elected officials obviously do not take this problem seriously. If our governement would do something to make it impossible for illegals to to be employed, enforce stricter penalties for identity theft (it's waaaayyy more common than some people think), and do away with birth right citizenship then just MAYBE so many would not make the decision to emmigrate illegally. Therefore, less suffering and death that some of you are accusing others of reacting happily to.

I love love love beets btw.

Totally spot on.

No auto citizenship. Tough on employers (very). No amnesty.

I would give em a worker permit that will never be a greencard if they did xyz and could show honest employment and no criminal record. So I would do that and stop there and deport anyone who doesn't go for that.

That's tough and fair and lets em stay if they are hard workers with no record. But the only way they could get USC is through the usual channels (not via their children born here while they were illegal) and NO auto GC.

Simple legislation...

Easy !

[Laveau 67]

Right on Peejay and Saywhat.

[peejay 327]

Totally spot on.

No auto citizenship. Tough on employers (very). No amnesty.

I would give em a worker permit that will never be a greencard if they did xyz and could show honest employment and no criminal record. So I would do that and stop there and deport anyone who doesn't go for that.

That's tough and fair and lets em stay if they are hard workers with no record. But the only way they could get USC is through the usual channels (not via their children born here while they were illegal) and NO auto GC.

Simple legislation...

Easy !

I hate to pop your cherry, but letting illegal aliens keep what they stole in the first place just encourages more illegal immigration. Granting them amnesty thereby giving them legal residency and legal work authorization they stole by illegally immigrating in the first place is a reward.

Getting to keep something you stole is no deterent.

[Laveau 67]

I hate to pop your cherry, but letting illegal aliens keep what they stole in the first place just encourages more illegal immigration. Granting them amnesty thereby giving them legal residency and legal work authorization they stole by illegally immigrating in the first place is a reward.

Getting to keep something you stole is no deterent.

Quite true, too.

[Captain Oates 911]

I hate to pop your cherry, but letting illegal aliens keep what they stole in the first place just encourages more illegal immigration. Granting them amnesty thereby giving them legal residency and legal work authorization they stole by illegally immigrating in the first place is a reward.

Getting to keep something you stole is no deterent.

One has to be practical

We cannot deport 12 million - we haven't got the resources. Once we accept that, it has to be plan B

A lot of the plan B's involve a path to citizenship. I say no to that and no to a GC which is the path to citizenship.

But if we accept that 12 million cannot physically be deported (cost us all 20k a year each in extra tax ?), then my plan gets em paying car insurance/licenses/ taxes and makes em available for the army and they still don't get citizenship

It's the best plan and much tougher than what Mccain was suggesting

Saying deport 12 million is accepting the status quo. Would that it could be done but it can't.

Edited July 18, 2010 by saywhat

[peejay 327]

One has to be practical

We cannot deport 12 million - we haven't got the resources. Once we accept that, it has to be plan B

A lot of the plan B's involve a path to citizenship. I say no to that and no to a GC which is the path to citizenship.

But if we accept that 12 million cannot physically be deported (cost us all 20k a year each in extra tax ?), then my plan gets em paying car insurance/licenses/ taxes and makes em available for the army and they still don't get citizenship

It's the best plan and much tougher than what Mccain was suggesting

Saying deport 12 million is accepting the status quo. Would that it could be done but it can't.

The government won't round up and deport 12+ million illegal aliens and shouldn't have to. It's not practical and the lunatic fringe would go berserk with their bleeding heart indignation. I say give illegal aliens nothing. No amnesty, no work authorization, and no permanent residency. Just enforce current law. Audit Social Security no match with employers and fire illegal aliens when encountered. They already know hundreds and thousands are working off of one number. Fire the rest that are using it illegally. We have 10% official unemployment which equates to probably 18+% unofficial unemployment and there appears to be no end to these high rates. What better time to start cleaning house of illegal aliens? You will find that there are millions here that are doing jobs that Americans will do. Not all illegal aliens are picking melons for $20 a day. Many have well paying jobs with benefits and they used fraud to get these jobs. We owe them nothing. They are citizens of and the responsibility of the countries they illegally immigrated from. The US government is responsible for US citizens and they should not be rewarding illegal aliens instead to suck up to the present 6-8% Hispanic swing vote and future amnestied illegal alien vote. The politicians should not be screwing 90+% of America for their own self serving political shenanegans. That's bullshit.

Illegal aliens can leave the same way they came and they will leave on their own when being here doesn't pay and there are no rewards.

Edited July 18, 2010 by peejay

[Captain Oates 911]

The government won't round up and deport 12+ million illegal aliens. It's not practical and the lunatic fringe would go berserk with their bleeding heart indignation. I say give illegal aliens nothing. No amnesty, no work authorization, and no permanent residency. Just enforce current law. Audit Social Security no match with employers and fire illegal aliens when encountered. They already know hundreds and thousands are working off of one number. Fire the rest that are using it illegally. We have 10% official unemployment which equates to probably 18+% unofficial unemployment and there appears to be no end to these high rates. What better time to start cleaning house of illegal aliens? You will find that there are millions here that are doing jobs that Americans will do. Not all illegal aliens are picking melons for $20 a day. Many have well paying jobs with benefits and they used fraud to get these jobs. We owe them nothing. They are citizens of and the responsibility of the countries they illegally immigrated from. The US government is responsible for US citizens and they should not be rewarding illegal aliens instead to suck up to the present 6-8% Hispanic swing vote and future amnestied illegal alien vote. The politicians should not be screwing 90+% of America for their own self serving political shenanegans. That's bullshit.

Illegal aliens can leave the same way they came and they will leave on their own when being here doesn't pay or there are no rewards.

But when they are deprived of income by the serious tightening of penalties on employers, they have 2 alternatives...

A get a bus to the border and go back

B stay, and live by crime

We can't afford B if a big part of the 12 million chose that..

We can no more fight 6 million desperate starving criminals than we can deport the 12 million

Edited July 18, 2010 by saywhat

[peejay 327]

But when they are deprived of income by the serious tightening of penalties on employers, they have 2 alternatives...

A get a bus to the border and go back

B stay, and live by crime

We can't afford B if a big part of the 12 million chose that..

We can no more fight 6 million desperate starving criminals than we can deport the 12 million

Yes we can. Sí, se puede.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

But when they are deprived of income by the serious tightening of penalties on employers, they have 2 alternatives...

A get a bus to the border and go back

B stay, and live by crime

We can't afford B if a big part of the 12 million chose that..

We can no more fight 6 million desperate starving criminals than we can deport the 12 million

I think you would get a combination of A and B. Most of the ones I meet in this agricultural area, are good family people, and as such, have family on both sides of the border. They somehow manage to travel across the border and back, although with increasing difficulty. But, California is also dominated by Mexican gangs and Mexican drugs, and those folks represent the majority of the population in California prisons. There is no denying that.

At one time, the border efforts concentrated on keeping the guns and drugs out, and not worrying so much about the migrant population. The cartels have gotten bolder, as crossing the border has becomes more difficult. As a result, it is getting increasing more difficult to separate the two groups.

There is something anti-American about telling anybody they are not welcome here, as long as they want to live peaceably. Personally, I would open the borders, and once things hit equilibrium, then I could decide which part of the world I want to live in, if my wife says it is okay.

[Captain Oates 911]

Yes we can. Sí, se puede.

No es posible amigo

pero, pueden convertirse en profesores de español - como usted

o los guardias de fronteras !

Edited July 18, 2010 by saywhat

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Its only 115 out, I think I will go for a 50 mile hike in the dessert.

[peejay 327]

No es posible amigo

pero, pueden convertirse en profesores de español - como usted

o los guardias de fronteras !

They are already lining up at the Mexican consulate for repatriation assistance in anticipation of the AZ law. Good! The law is reaping it's intended rewards. Do it nationwide and we might be on to something.

[Captain Oates 911]

There is something anti-American about telling anybody they are not welcome here, as long as they want to live peaceably. Personally, I would open the borders, and once things hit equilibrium, then I could decide which part of the world I want to live in, if my wife says it is okay.

ouch and and I thought I was internationalist....(and sometimes controversial)

You mean scrap all US immigration law ?

Can I expect a refund on my USCIS fees ?

Living in a driftwood shelter on the beach in Tenerife and living off fish, seaweed and crabs seems to make some people happy and they party all night - see you there !

[peejay 327]

There is something anti-American about telling anybody they are not welcome here, as long as they want to live peaceably. Personally, I would open the borders, and once things hit equilibrium, then I could decide which part of the world I want to live in, if my wife says it is okay.

Let the poverty and unemployment of the third world invade freely into a modern first world social welfare state and then flee when the inevitable sh*t hits the fan. What a brilliant plan.