Argentina legalizes gay marriage in historic vote

[alienlovechild 75]

Society changes, it's never been static. As far as that goes, legalising gay marriage isn't a fundamental shift.

Really? Why the shift in just the last 10 years? Never heard a reasonable answer for that and I'm sure you'll come up empty-handed as well. Anyone else want to take a stab at it on this "historic" day?

[mendeleev 68]

Really? Why the shift in just the last 10 years? Never heard a reasonable answer for that and I'm sure you'll come up empty-handed as well. Anyone else want to take a stab at it on this "historic" day?

Alien, sorry to break it to you, but its a fact. Times are changing. It is legal in several states for couples of the same sex to marry. It remains for the Constitution to be upheld and for those marriages (which are, in fact, under civil law, contracts) to be held valid in States under the sway of bigotry.

Either that, or we are not a nation of laws, but something else. As I indicated above, the Constitution is quite clear on this point.

[mendeleev 68]

The "bigot" label is totally lame and adds nothing but lame self righteousness to the debate. You either buy into homosexual parity with heterosexuality and embrace it as a societal norm or you are a bigot? Name calling and labels are a lazy and cowardly way to debate the merits of your point of view. It pretty much shows a lack of merit and a bankrupt point of view.

peejay, I am convinced that there is righteousness here, just as there is bigotry. The situation is rather analogous to that of States a century ago that sought to deny validity of certain marriages under the gise of denouncing miscegenation.

And it remains to be seen whether the USA is a nation of laws, or a nation where bigots prevail.

[mawilson 2,133]

You either buy into homosexual parity with heterosexuality and embrace it as a societal norm or you are a bigot?

Absolutely.

[The_Dude 1,142]

I don't buy that. Society gets to deem what societal norms, tradition, and customs are. Marriage has been between one man and one woman in our society for hundreds of years. People will not just throw that out the window because of what one judge or a handful of judges decree.

Homosexuality is and never has been equal to heterosexuality in terms of humanity's advancement. I could personally care less if homosexuality exists, but it is not equal to or in parity with heterosexuality in the context of human advancement. It is a dead end biologically. Probably a good reason most of the peoples of the world don't hold it in the same esteem as heterosexuality. It is far from vindication.

If a society elevates homosexuality to the societal norm equal to heterosexuality then it had just as soon open the gate to polygamy on an equal level to monogamy as well. We can then define marriage as an undetermined amount of people of either sex.

Americans traditionally don't want an anything goes definition of marriage and won't have it imposed on them quietly. Jump for joy all you want about homosexual victories in the news.

Human rights are not a popularity contest. They are absolute rights that each human should have access to, period.

[Captain Oates 911]

It's about time the gits suffered like I have

Why should gays go through life without having people go off with other people AND take your house as well ?

They have been a protected minority up to now but in future they will have to take all the same slings and arrows as us heteros

Having mother in laws and divorces and not being able to bonk anyone you like - buying engagement rings and wedding rings - only to see em go sell em afterwards. Why should they escape all this stuff ?

about time

congratulations boys - give us a twirl

Edited July 16, 2010 by saywhat

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I keep telling people. Take the word 'marriage' out of it when it comes to government and you would solve at least half of the problem...

The other half, well.. it's too ignorant to be dealt with anyway...

[peejay 327]

peejay, I am convinced that there is righteousness here, just as there is bigotry. The situation is rather analogous to that of States a century ago that sought to deny validity of certain marriages under the gise of denouncing miscegenation.

And it remains to be seen whether the USA is a nation of laws, or a nation where bigots prevail.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Homosexuality is a behavior...not a race. You may honestly believe you are on some sort of self righteous moral pedestal, but not everyone buys it nor are they afraid of your name calling tactics.

[mendeleev 68]

You are comparing apples and oranges. Homosexuality is a behavior...not a race.

This is the classic statement of bigotry. An assertion that human rights has merely a racial basis. At its core, human rights derive from the fundamental dignity of all human beings. It is this that bigots cannot abide.

[ValerieA 350]

The question is - have they made the same mistake Canada did? Legalizing gay marriage without making it possible for gay divorce? I support gay marriage, but with marriage, comes a whole host of other legalities - including common-law and divorce.

[mendeleev 68]

The question is - have they made the same mistake Canada did? Legalizing gay marriage without making it possible for gay divorce? I support gay marriage, but with marriage, comes a whole host of other legalities - including common-law and divorce.

Indeed, it is probably through sorting out divorce case across state lines -- and perhaps associated custody cases -- that we will find whether or not the Constitution is upheld. There has already been limited progress in this regard.

[Captain Oates 911]

The question is - have they made the same mistake Canada did? Legalizing gay marriage without making it possible for gay divorce? I support gay marriage, but with marriage, comes a whole host of other legalities - including common-law and divorce.

What marriage without divorce ?

Now there is a vision of hell on earth

If marriage without divorce was the price of lifting some shirts, it would stop that behaviour in it's tracks !

jeez what a concept ! What still married to Gloria ? shudder - billion times worse than waterboarding !

[alienlovechild 75]

Alien, sorry to break it to you, but its a fact. Times are changing. It is legal in several states for couples of the same sex to marry. It remains for the Constitution to be upheld and for those marriages (which are, in fact, under civil law, contracts) to be held valid in States under the sway of bigotry.

Either that, or we are not a nation of laws, but something else. As I indicated above, the Constitution is quite clear on this point.

So you couldn't explain how such a fundemental right came from nowhere. Funny how the biggest supporters can't even guess at what events got us to this point. It's not ancient history.

There's nothing in the Constitution about marriage but I assume you're trying say something about "full faith and credit" clause?

It's not that big of an issue for me but it doesn't mean there's much to cheer about either. As I understand it civil unions gave gays all the legal rights with the exception of a marriage ceremony of sorts.

[Captain Oates 911]

You guys haven't been hetro married and divorced enough

There is nothing 'natural' about it when it goes wrong

Ask Mel Gibson

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

You guys haven't been hetro married and divorced enough

There is nothing 'natural' about it when it goes wrong

Ask Mel Gibson

Oh Alan, so good to see you this evening.