RANT - People read the damn forms.

[JenT 0]

  meauxna said:

  JenT said:

Careful... the warm fuzzy kitty brigade is going to pounce:

<snip>

It's not just the IQ factor.. it's basic common sense. Some people need to be 'hand-held' through everything though. Lack of confidence in their own ability to make good decisions....

Jen

The cold, aged alley cat brigade is here too.

That's what professionals are to be hired for. And yet I read post after post saying 'you don't need an attorney, you can do it all yourself!'.Some people can't. Nothing wrong with that--I can't hang drywall for sh!t either.

I confess to being guilty of advising that on occasion... and should probably take more care in doing so. But I hate to read the stories of people who were unduly delayed because of their counsel's ineptness... or worse yet, advised incorrectly causing unnecessary consequences. The resources available on this forum are quite thorough.

Everyone has different skills and abilities but if you're invested in this process, as most of us are, you need to commit to it and learn, or hire someone to commit to it for you. But hiring someone does not let you off the hook for understanding the process, IMHO.

Kinda like taking a cab ride in a foreign city... how will you know whether or not you're being "taken for a ride" if you don't have a general idea of where you're headed?

Jen

[KarenCee 3]

  meauxna said:

  JenT said:

Careful... the warm fuzzy kitty brigade is going to pounce:

<snip>

It's not just the IQ factor.. it's basic common sense. Some people need to be 'hand-held' through everything though. Lack of confidence in their own ability to make good decisions....

Jen

The cold, aged alley cat brigade is here too.

That's what professionals are to be hired for. And yet I read post after post saying 'you don't need an attorney, you can do it all yourself!'.

Some people can't. Nothing wrong with that--I can't hang drywall for sh!t either.

Yet those same people...for the most part...are the same ones who come back and complain that the lawyer took too long, or charged WAY too much, caused them delays, blah blah blah.

I downloaded pages and pages of stuff...and yes, I'm sure I've asked a few stupid questions too (well, maybe stupid in someone else's eyes) but at least I read the instructions and the guides before Joel and I started this &*%^$%*# process.

[Cristy 4]

I have read everything a hundred times. I read it all before I posted. But it is really overwhelming when you first start reading it. Also the search never really works for me. I have been searching for the panel physicians list and still not found it.

Yes some of the questions are clearly posted by people who did not read anything and that is annoying.

[Ban Hammer 13,913]

  cristy said:

I have read everything a hundred times. I read it all before I posted. But it is really overwhelming when you first start reading it. Also the search never really works for me. I have been searching for the panel physicians list and still not found it.

Yes some of the questions are clearly posted by people who did not read anything and that is annoying.

physicians for the medical for a k-1? i had to go to the consulate site to get those for nessa. pm me if you need help finding such.

[*Robert* 2]

  charlesandnessa said:

  cristy said:

I have read everything a hundred times. I read it all before I posted. But it is really overwhelming when you first start reading it. Also the search never really works for me. I have been searching for the panel physicians list and still not found it.

Yes some of the questions are clearly posted by people who did not read anything and that is annoying.

physicians for the medical for a k-1? i had to go to the consulate site to get those for nessa. pm me if you need help finding such.

perfect example of advice being given without knowing the question.

Cristy, to find a panel physician near you, or civil surgeon, go to THIS page and fill in the City, State, and ZIP code, or the district. It will give you a list of physicians in your area.

[Ban Hammer 13,913]

  roi_aggie said:

  charlesandnessa said:

  cristy said:

I have read everything a hundred times. I read it all before I posted. But it is really overwhelming when you first start reading it. Also the search never really works for me. I have been searching for the panel physicians list and still not found it.

Yes some of the questions are clearly posted by people who did not read anything and that is annoying.

physicians for the medical for a k-1? i had to go to the consulate site to get those for nessa. pm me if you need help finding such.

perfect example of advice being given without knowing the question.

Cristy, to find a panel physician near you, or civil surgeon, go to THIS page and fill in the City, State, and ZIP code, or the district. It will give you a list of physicians in your area.

roi piss off. unless you are her designated mouthpiece she can answer herself.

[*Robert* 2]

  charlesandnessa said:

  roi_aggie said:

  charlesandnessa said:

  cristy said:

I have read everything a hundred times. I read it all before I posted. But it is really overwhelming when you first start reading it. Also the search never really works for me. I have been searching for the panel physicians list and still not found it.

Yes some of the questions are clearly posted by people who did not read anything and that is annoying.

physicians for the medical for a k-1? i had to go to the consulate site to get those for nessa. pm me if you need help finding such.

perfect example of advice being given without knowing the question.

Cristy, to find a panel physician near you, or civil surgeon, go to THIS page and fill in the City, State, and ZIP code, or the district. It will give you a list of physicians in your area.

roi piss off. unless you are her designated mouthpiece she can answer herself.

awwww... don't get mad chuckie just because you don't know sh!t and gave her the wrong advice... just stick with your smart azz comments and one liners, like usuall, and all will be well with the world...

[Ban Hammer 13,913]

  roi_aggie said:

  charlesandnessa said:

  roi_aggie said:

  charlesandnessa said:

  cristy said:

I have read everything a hundred times. I read it all before I posted. But it is really overwhelming when you first start reading it. Also the search never really works for me. I have been searching for the panel physicians list and still not found it.

Yes some of the questions are clearly posted by people who did not read anything and that is annoying.

physicians for the medical for a k-1? i had to go to the consulate site to get those for nessa. pm me if you need help finding such.

perfect example of advice being given without knowing the question.

Cristy, to find a panel physician near you, or civil surgeon, go to THIS page and fill in the City, State, and ZIP code, or the district. It will give you a list of physicians in your area.

roi piss off. unless you are her designated mouthpiece she can answer herself.

awwww... don't get mad chuckie just because you don't know sh!t and gave her the wrong advice... just stick with your smart azz comments and one liners, like usuall, and all will be well with the world...

sure thing post stalker.

[meauxna 15]

  KarenCee said:

Yet those same people...for the most part...are the same ones who come back and complain that the lawyer took too long, or charged WAY too much, caused them delays, blah blah blah.

I downloaded pages and pages of stuff...and yes, I'm sure I've asked a few stupid questions too (well, maybe stupid in someone else's eyes) but at least I read the instructions and the guides before Joel and I started this &*%^$%*# process.

Yup, and I complain about contractors, too.

I would never say: hire a BAD lawyer, or hire ANY lawyer. I usually caution to hire one who specializes in family based cases and comes recommended.

BUT,

Karen, and JenT, don't get me wrong, please. I am not against questions. I obviously like answering them. I did not spring from the womb knowing anything about immigration. I met & fell in love with a foreigner, like most of us here and had to figure out how we could live where we wanted to.

There was no visajourney.com then. There was a newsgroup, one that didn't suffer fools too easily and I was on slow dialup half way round the world from home. There was a ton of info there, and a lot of couples used to make their own websites with information. I gathered links & read til my eyes bled. I asked judicious questions and I read a lot. I put two and two together. I applied common sense. I made a list of the forms I'd need, found them and filled them in.. just like you clearly have.

I've invested time and energy into helping people by doing the handholding thing---to a point. If someone is not going to take the resources offered and figure stuff out, well, they DO need a pro (IMO). The vast majority of people here do *just that*. It's that 10-20% or whatever that gets on the nerves and puts the site and the individual members in jeopardy. True, there will always be that contingent, but we're experiencing a new wave of people who are making this process MUCH more complicated than it needs to be.

I'd love to read more *experience* posts than question posts and let people draw their own conclusions. There is not just ONE way to do any of this, but there IS one way that will work best for you. And you. And that guy over there. I'd love to see our experience posts catalogued someway, like they still are on the kamya site. I've tried to get it going with the 'Arriving in America' thread, but few find it and fewer still contribute. I guess it IS easier to just ask the same Qs over and over, but I find the answers getting wronger and wronger.

MANY people over the years have written, hosted and contributed to the FAQ here. People who figured things out and left helpful hints behind. Others have distilled it even more by writing Guides. People who don't want to hire a lawyer so they can 'do it themselves' should absolutely feel compelled to actually 'do it themselves'. A simple thing like writing "I looked at the example forms and am still unsure of where the A# is located. Is it the big read number with a circle around it?" shows that at the least, the poster has looked.

The ones I love are when you say 'read the Guide here' etc say 'of course I read the Guide, I'm not stupid, I just wanted to ask others!'. We're mostly not psychic here, and have no idea of what research someone has already done unless they say so.

I think I'm needed in the garden for a bit.

[Mirorgate 0]

so.... any update on exactly what "free to marry" means then?

c'mon Becca.. you know you want another round here!!

bwahahahahaaaaaaaa

[aussiewench 9]

  meauxna said:

  KarenCee said:

Yet those same people...for the most part...are the same ones who come back and complain that the lawyer took too long, or charged WAY too much, caused them delays, blah blah blah.

I downloaded pages and pages of stuff...and yes, I'm sure I've asked a few stupid questions too (well, maybe stupid in someone else's eyes) but at least I read the instructions and the guides before Joel and I started this &*%^$%*# process.

Yup, and I complain about contractors, too.

I would never say: hire a BAD lawyer, or hire ANY lawyer. I usually caution to hire one who specializes in family based cases and comes recommended.

BUT,

Karen, and JenT, don't get me wrong, please. I am not against questions. I obviously like answering them. I did not spring from the womb knowing anything about immigration. I met & fell in love with a foreigner, like most of us here and had to figure out how we could live where we wanted to.

There was no visajourney.com then. There was a newsgroup, one that didn't suffer fools too easily and I was on slow dialup half way round the world from home. There was a ton of info there, and a lot of couples used to make their own websites with information. I gathered links & read til my eyes bled. I asked judicious questions and I read a lot. I put two and two together. I applied common sense. I made a list of the forms I'd need, found them and filled them in.. just like you clearly have.

I've invested time and energy into helping people by doing the handholding thing---to a point. If someone is not going to take the resources offered and figure stuff out, well, they DO need a pro (IMO). The vast majority of people here do *just that*. It's that 10-20% or whatever that gets on the nerves and puts the site and the individual members in jeopardy. True, there will always be that contingent, but we're experiencing a new wave of people who are making this process MUCH more complicated than it needs to be.

I'd love to read more *experience* posts than question posts and let people draw their own conclusions. There is not just ONE way to do any of this, but there IS one way that will work best for you. And you. And that guy over there. I'd love to see our experience posts catalogued someway, like they still are on the kamya site. I've tried to get it going with the 'Arriving in America' thread, but few find it and fewer still contribute. I guess it IS easier to just ask the same Qs over and over, but I find the answers getting wronger and wronger.

MANY people over the years have written, hosted and contributed to the FAQ here. People who figured things out and left helpful hints behind. Others have distilled it even more by writing Guides. People who don't want to hire a lawyer so they can 'do it themselves' should absolutely feel compelled to actually 'do it themselves'. A simple thing like writing "I looked at the example forms and am still unsure of where the A# is located. Is it the big read number with a circle around it?" shows that at the least, the poster has looked.

The ones I love are when you say 'read the Guide here' etc say 'of course I read the Guide, I'm not stupid, I just wanted to ask others!'. We're mostly not psychic here, and have no idea of what research someone has already done unless they say so.

I think I'm needed in the garden for a bit.

I concur fully

[desert_fox 32]

Can I file for a K1 visa during a full moon???

[*Robert* 2]

  desert_fox said:

Can I file for a K1 visa during a full moon???

yes, but only on the 2nd day of the full moon. otherwise you have to wait for the next cycle.

[JenT 0]

  aussiewench said:

  meauxna said:

  KarenCee said:

Yet those same people...for the most part...are the same ones who come back and complain that the lawyer took too long, or charged WAY too much, caused them delays, blah blah blah.

I downloaded pages and pages of stuff...and yes, I'm sure I've asked a few stupid questions too (well, maybe stupid in someone else's eyes) but at least I read the instructions and the guides before Joel and I started this &*%^$%*# process.

Yup, and I complain about contractors, too.

I would never say: hire a BAD lawyer, or hire ANY lawyer. I usually caution to hire one who specializes in family based cases and comes recommended.

BUT,

Karen, and JenT, don't get me wrong, please. I am not against questions. I obviously like answering them. I did not spring from the womb knowing anything about immigration. I met & fell in love with a foreigner, like most of us here and had to figure out how we could live where we wanted to.

There was no visajourney.com then. There was a newsgroup, one that didn't suffer fools too easily and I was on slow dialup half way round the world from home. There was a ton of info there, and a lot of couples used to make their own websites with information. I gathered links & read til my eyes bled. I asked judicious questions and I read a lot. I put two and two together. I applied common sense. I made a list of the forms I'd need, found them and filled them in.. just like you clearly have.

I've invested time and energy into helping people by doing the handholding thing---to a point. If someone is not going to take the resources offered and figure stuff out, well, they DO need a pro (IMO). The vast majority of people here do *just that*. It's that 10-20% or whatever that gets on the nerves and puts the site and the individual members in jeopardy. True, there will always be that contingent, but we're experiencing a new wave of people who are making this process MUCH more complicated than it needs to be.

I'd love to read more *experience* posts than question posts and let people draw their own conclusions. There is not just ONE way to do any of this, but there IS one way that will work best for you. And you. And that guy over there. I'd love to see our experience posts catalogued someway, like they still are on the kamya site. I've tried to get it going with the 'Arriving in America' thread, but few find it and fewer still contribute. I guess it IS easier to just ask the same Qs over and over, but I find the answers getting wronger and wronger.

MANY people over the years have written, hosted and contributed to the FAQ here. People who figured things out and left helpful hints behind. Others have distilled it even more by writing Guides. People who don't want to hire a lawyer so they can 'do it themselves' should absolutely feel compelled to actually 'do it themselves'. A simple thing like writing "I looked at the example forms and am still unsure of where the A# is located. Is it the big read number with a circle around it?" shows that at the least, the poster has looked.

The ones I love are when you say 'read the Guide here' etc say 'of course I read the Guide, I'm not stupid, I just wanted to ask others!'. We're mostly not psychic here, and have no idea of what research someone has already done unless they say so.

I think I'm needed in the garden for a bit.

I concur fully

I agree... well said.

[*Robert* 2]

  charlesandnessa said:

sure thing post stalker.

How do you "stalk" someone who always hides as an annonymous user?

After all, I'm not the one checking to see when people last came online or makes screen captures of other users activities. Sounds like you are speaking from your own experience.

Guess I'll have to use that report button you're so fond of.

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