Filipinos Against Arizona Immigration Law SB1070

[Darnell 8,478]

Tahoma - you make an interesting point, but I don't see how one's rights are violated. Perhaps that's where I'm stuck on this issue, ya? I'll admit it - I just don't see any 'violation of rights'.

I do understand how many Filippino ppl will think they fit the demographic, ah? Something about being brown with a spanish-sounding surname - sure - that'd be really scary, I suppose, to think one fits that demographic - since 'the fear' in AZ stems from being an illegal alien from Mexico - being both brown with a Spanish-sounding surname. I get that part, really.

I did read the law that AZ will be using on July 29th - that 'reasonable suscipicion' really should not bother anyone who is here, legally. It really shouldn't. What's the worst case scenario for a legal immigrant? Left the green card at home, gets detained, some relative brings it in, gets cleared up and out BEFORE ICE has a chance to check his/her status at the detainment center.

I don't see any 'violation of rights' on this, sorry.

[kokobearus 4]

Tahoma - you make an interesting point, but I don't see how one's rights are violated. Perhaps that's where I'm stuck on this issue, ya? I'll admit it - I just don't see any 'violation of rights'.

I do understand how many Filippino ppl will think they fit the demographic, ah? Something about being brown with a spanish-sounding surname - sure - that'd be really scary, I suppose, to think one fits that demographic - since 'the fear' in AZ stems from being an illegal alien from Mexico - being both brown with a Spanish-sounding surname. I get that part, really.

I did read the law that AZ will be using on July 29th - that 'reasonable suscipicion' really should not bother anyone who is here, legally. It really shouldn't. What's the worst case scenario for a legal immigrant? Left the green card at home, gets detained, some relative brings it in, gets cleared up and out BEFORE ICE has a chance to check his/her status at the detainment center.

I don't see any 'violation of rights' on this, sorry.

[kokobearus 4]

yeah,or give them your SS# and it will show up there that you are here legally. Some people who are againts this law is stupid. 9/11, they are illegal immigrants who killed thousands of people in the US. so,do you want to make your country a safe place for you to live in? I just can't understand these people who are againts it. If you are here legally, there is nothing to worry about! Hope AZ bill be done to all 50 states! I love US and I'll die for my country!!!!!Let's make US a safe place to live !!!!

[Tahoma 2,292]

...that 'reasonable suscipicion' really should not bother anyone who is here, legally. It really shouldn't. What's the worst case scenario for a legal immigrant? Left the green card at home, gets detained, some relative brings it in, gets cleared up and out BEFORE ICE has a chance to check his/her status at the detainment center.

Interesting how you sugarcoat what potentially could be a much more intrusive situation for a legal permanent resident, or even a U.S. citizen. Would you feel the same way if it happened to your loved one? How about if it happened a second time? Do you even realize that some American citizens have no ID?

Also, I have friends who have been repeated victims of racial profiling. It's a humiliating and degrading experience. Chances are pretty good that some law enforcement officers in Arizona will act no differently than some officers here. Racial profiling will happen.

In addition, the new law will not even put a dent in the number of illegals. It solves no problems.

So, the question remains: with so much downside to the "driving while brown" law, is it worth the benefit of deporting a few illegals? I think not.

However, it will be nine black robes who ultimately will decide the constitutionality of this law.

[Darnell 8,478]

Tahoma - ok - you answered the questions that you posed. Got it !

FWIW, I did not sugarcoat anything...

Intrusive situation? It's not intrusive, at all. One is being asked for ID - why is that intrusive ?

Edited July 20, 2010 by Darnell

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Tahoma - ok - you answered the questions that you posed. Got it !

FWIW, I did not sugarcoat anything...

Intrusive situation? It's not intrusive, at all. One is being asked for ID - why is that intrusive ?

Local law enforcement has the authority and jurisdiction in requesting someone to identify themselves, and it is a misdemeanor to be driving without your license, however, SB1070 goes further by giving authority and jurisdiction to local law enforcement in asking anyone they stop for verification of their citizenship status by mere suspicion (meaning - without probable cause). What Tahoma is trying to explain to you is all the implications that would or could lead to over a myriad of circumstances. People who aren't even the slightest troubled by that, either don't know our constitutional rights, or don't care as much about the Constitution as they thought they did.

[Darnell 8,478]

El Bus - ah - got it ! Thanks for the explanation !

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

If the price of a little security is that I have to produce ID if stopped in AZ then I'm fine with that.

If my "Mexican" looking Pinay wife has to present her Greencard (which the law requires she carry on her at all times anyway) then we're both fine with that.

New Federal Law: States can only issue ID (including Drivers License) to someone who has proven their legal status here and if their status has an expiration date then the State issued ID must expire on or before that date. Now it's as simple as showing State ID or DL!

Now for Welfare, Medicaid, WIC, Public School Enrollment etc parents & children must present State issued ID, no more passports or "Mexican Abroad Consulate ID" Cards (If there is another country that spits in our face like that then include their "Government Endorsement of Illegal Immigration to the US" card on this list.

Finally, severe penalties to any Business, Employee of said Business who actually did the hiring and Owner of said Business that knowlingy hires illegals or fails to properly verify their eligibility to work in the US.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

If the price of a little security is that I have to produce ID if stopped in AZ then I'm fine with that.

Your citizenship status has nothing to do with whether you can legally drive here or not. Citizens shouldn't have to prove they are here in the U.S. legally every time they are stopped. That's unnecessary harassment that serves no other purpose but to provide peace of mind to people with irrational fear about the impact of illegal immigration on their lives. Never mind that it's also unconstitutional.

[TOM&Riz 4]

Interesting how you sugarcoat what potentially could be a much more intrusive situation for a legal permanent resident, or even a U.S. citizen. Would you feel the same way if it happened to your loved one? How about if it happened a second time? Do you even realize that some American citizens have no ID?

Also, I have friends who have been repeated victims of racial profiling. It's a humiliating and degrading experience. Chances are pretty good that some law enforcement officers in Arizona will act no differently than some officers here. Racial profiling will happen.

In addition, the new law will not even put a dent in the number of illegals. It solves no problems.

So, the question remains: with so much downside to the "driving while brown" law, is it worth the benefit of deporting a few illegals? I think not.

However, it will be nine black robes who ultimately will decide the constitutionality of this law.

you keep saying "new law" this is NOT a new law only who can enforce the current law ...

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Your citizenship status has nothing to do with whether you can legally drive here or not. Citizens shouldn't have to prove they are here in the U.S. legally every time they are stopped. That's unnecessary harassment that serves no other purpose but to provide peace of mind to people with irrational fear about the impact of illegal immigration on their lives. Never mind that it's also unconstitutional.

Every time you are stopped you are required to prove your identity. If you can't then the police can detain you until they can determine who you are.

In the State of Illinois you can't get a Drivers License or State issued ID card without presenting a verifiable SSN Card.

My Drivers License proves I'm in the US Legally.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Every time you are stopped you are required to prove your identity. If you can't then the police can detain you until they can determine who you are.

In the State of Illinois you can't get a Drivers License or State issued ID card without presenting a verifiable SSN Card.

My Drivers License proves I'm in the US Legally.

Bob, I was assuming you were following the previous posts because in post #171 (just 6 posts back), I explained the difference between asking for a driver's license from a motorist when they are stopped and asking them for proof of citizenship.

[Ban Hammer 13,366]

one bait post removed. refrain from making allegations about other members.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Bob, I was assuming you were following the previous posts because in post #171 (just 6 posts back), I explained the difference between asking for a driver's license from a motorist when they are stopped and asking them for proof of citizenship.

Personally I believe that our IDs should easily identify that we are legally present in the US, see my previous post here.

I know a lot of people will compare this the the Nazis restricting travel through personal identification papers but it's already happening here. Try to board a plane without ID. Try to check-in to a hotel without ID.

The "safeguard" against racial profiling in this law is the the LE Officer can't just stop someone and ask for proof of legal presence, they need a valid reason for contact. Of course there will always be people who abuse the system but they will be the minority. The upside of this is that if (I lived in AZ and) know the house next to me is full of illegals then I can call the cops on them when they're partying too loud at 11pm and when the cops come they can ask of proof of legal presence when they roll-up on a house of 25 non-related people.

Not a perfect solution but I'm in favor of anything that puts USC & LPR rights & protection above the entitlements the illegals seem to believe they have here.

[Tahoma 2,292]

you keep saying "new law" this is NOT a new law only who can enforce the current law ...

This latest talking point from the right-wing spin machine is as amusing as it is ridiculous. I guess they count on people to throw out their common sense...not to mention their logic. In point of fact, SB1070 is a new law. The very fact you cite - that Arizona law enforcement officials will now ask for proof of citizenship - makes it a new law. Several lawsuits have already been filed in response to this new law.