U.S. Lags World in Grasp of Genetics and Acceptance of Evolution

[chri'stina 190]

I have a question. Does the Bible actually say God can do anything? Or is that just a popular assumption?

Here are some examples:

Ok, thanks.

Now about the Wikipedia excerpt. Can God tell a lie? And what are your thoughts on The Omnipotence Paradox?

Actually as I was searching for scriptures to show, I came across the question you posted on several websites. One answer that I read was that God can do anything, but he will not do anything that goes against his nature. I guess the difference is between what He can do and what He will do. Admittedly, for me to give a more intellectual answer I would have to study this more. Though I feel I understand the issue, it's hard to get it across.

So...fossils, were they planted by the atheists?

bush did it

[danae 0]

That's not what I said. You're asking me to agree to a set of assumptions without asking what they mean - 'perfect' and 'anything' are questions of interpretation and definition, not absolutes.

I think God created the universe according to a set of logical physical laws that mankind can observe and manipulate.

Its no coincidence that animals can't speak - any biologist will tell you that is the direct result of brain size and the lack of vocal cords. If vocal cords aren't needed to speak why bother to create them?

I do admire your way of thinking, fishdude (this post and the other post you made on the 1st page). You ask good questions that make me think, and I've often questioned a lot of this stuff too. As far as evolution though, I just can't accept it. Not just because of what the Bible tells me but also the fact that there's such a huge gap. What kind of proof is there that we evolved from, what, apes? Where's the missing link? And I mean, the thought that we started as some little tadpole like creature...come on. I can see a 5 year old believing that, but grown men and women? How could we evolve in 6,000 years? I know I know, the earth is hundreds of millions of years old, etc etc. What is carbon dating and how exactly does it "prove" that? How can anyone prove that the earth has been around for millions of years? You can't! Scientists simply cannot recreate that. They're basically guessing - so do you want to put your faith in men or God?

We did not evolve from apes- we are apes. The 'missing link' was a species known as Australopithecus africanus. This 'missing link' has been discovered in fossil records. It was a bipedal hominid with apelike features, and in the course of evolution the species died out. We did not evolve in 6000 years- in fact the human lineage split off from the other hominoids an estimated 6 million years ago.

I dont put my faith in man- I put it in nature.

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I have a question. Does the Bible actually say God can do anything? Or is that just a popular assumption?

Here are some examples:

Ok, thanks.

Now about the Wikipedia excerpt. Can God tell a lie? And what are your thoughts on The Omnipotence Paradox?

Actually as I was searching for scriptures to show, I came across the question you posted on several websites. One answer that I read was that God can do anything, but he will not do anything that goes against his nature. I guess the difference is between what He can do and what He will do. Admittedly, for me to give a more intellectual answer I would have to study this more. Though I feel I understand the issue, it's hard to get it across.

Fair enough. Thanks.

[chri'stina 190]

That's not what I said. You're asking me to agree to a set of assumptions without asking what they mean - 'perfect' and 'anything' are questions of interpretation and definition, not absolutes.

I think God created the universe according to a set of logical physical laws that mankind can observe and manipulate.

Its no coincidence that animals can't speak - any biologist will tell you that is the direct result of brain size and the lack of vocal cords. If vocal cords aren't needed to speak why bother to create them?

I do admire your way of thinking, fishdude (this post and the other post you made on the 1st page). You ask good questions that make me think, and I've often questioned a lot of this stuff too. As far as evolution though, I just can't accept it. Not just because of what the Bible tells me but also the fact that there's such a huge gap. What kind of proof is there that we evolved from, what, apes? Where's the missing link? And I mean, the thought that we started as some little tadpole like creature...come on. I can see a 5 year old believing that, but grown men and women? How could we evolve in 6,000 years? I know I know, the earth is hundreds of millions of years old, etc etc. What is carbon dating and how exactly does it "prove" that? How can anyone prove that the earth has been around for millions of years? You can't! Scientists simply cannot recreate that. They're basically guessing - so do you want to put your faith in men or God?

We did not evolve from apes- we are apes. The 'missing link' was a species known as Australopithecus africanus. This 'missing link' has been discovered in fossil records. It was a bipedal hominid with apelike features, and in the course of evolution the species died out. We did not evolve in 6000 years- in fact the human lineage split off from the other hominoids an estimated 6 million years ago.

I dont put my faith in man- I put it in nature.

but a man came up with the theory...

[*Robert* 2]

That's not what I said. You're asking me to agree to a set of assumptions without asking what they mean - 'perfect' and 'anything' are questions of interpretation and definition, not absolutes.

I think God created the universe according to a set of logical physical laws that mankind can observe and manipulate.

Its no coincidence that animals can't speak - any biologist will tell you that is the direct result of brain size and the lack of vocal cords. If vocal cords aren't needed to speak why bother to create them?

I do admire your way of thinking, fishdude (this post and the other post you made on the 1st page). You ask good questions that make me think, and I've often questioned a lot of this stuff too. As far as evolution though, I just can't accept it. Not just because of what the Bible tells me but also the fact that there's such a huge gap. What kind of proof is there that we evolved from, what, apes? Where's the missing link? And I mean, the thought that we started as some little tadpole like creature...come on. I can see a 5 year old believing that, but grown men and women? How could we evolve in 6,000 years? I know I know, the earth is hundreds of millions of years old, etc etc. What is carbon dating and how exactly does it "prove" that? How can anyone prove that the earth has been around for millions of years? You can't! Scientists simply cannot recreate that. They're basically guessing - so do you want to put your faith in men or God?

You know... maybe if you actually went to school, and studied biology, geology, and archeology, you wouldn't be so naive in your opinion. Who exactly is it, or please show where in scientific journals where it says man evolved from ape? Ignorance only fules more ignorance. Evolve in 6000 years? Where did you pull that number out of? The earth has been here hundreds of millions... lets try billions. Its pointless to argue with someone as close minded and uneducated as you. Besides... who really cares WHAT YOU THINK?

[danae 0]

That's not what I said. You're asking me to agree to a set of assumptions without asking what they mean - 'perfect' and 'anything' are questions of interpretation and definition, not absolutes.

I think God created the universe according to a set of logical physical laws that mankind can observe and manipulate.

Its no coincidence that animals can't speak - any biologist will tell you that is the direct result of brain size and the lack of vocal cords. If vocal cords aren't needed to speak why bother to create them?

I do admire your way of thinking, fishdude (this post and the other post you made on the 1st page). You ask good questions that make me think, and I've often questioned a lot of this stuff too. As far as evolution though, I just can't accept it. Not just because of what the Bible tells me but also the fact that there's such a huge gap. What kind of proof is there that we evolved from, what, apes? Where's the missing link? And I mean, the thought that we started as some little tadpole like creature...come on. I can see a 5 year old believing that, but grown men and women? How could we evolve in 6,000 years? I know I know, the earth is hundreds of millions of years old, etc etc. What is carbon dating and how exactly does it "prove" that? How can anyone prove that the earth has been around for millions of years? You can't! Scientists simply cannot recreate that. They're basically guessing - so do you want to put your faith in men or God?

We did not evolve from apes- we are apes. The 'missing link' was a species known as Australopithecus africanus. This 'missing link' has been discovered in fossil records. It was a bipedal hominid with apelike features, and in the course of evolution the species died out. We did not evolve in 6000 years- in fact the human lineage split off from the other hominoids an estimated 6 million years ago.

I dont put my faith in man- I put it in nature.

but a man came up with the theory...

Sure man put it in words- but man didnt create it. The natural world is what we know, what we see, what we feel- THAT I trust.

[chri'stina 190]

I have a question. Does the Bible actually say God can do anything? Or is that just a popular assumption?

Here are some examples:

Ok, thanks.

Now about the Wikipedia excerpt. Can God tell a lie? And what are your thoughts on The Omnipotence Paradox?

Actually as I was searching for scriptures to show, I came across the question you posted on several websites. One answer that I read was that God can do anything, but he will not do anything that goes against his nature. I guess the difference is between what He can do and what He will do. Admittedly, for me to give a more intellectual answer I would have to study this more. Though I feel I understand the issue, it's hard to get it across.

Fair enough. Thanks.

[*Robert* 2]

We did not evolve from apes- we are apes. The 'missing link' was a species known as Australopithecus africanus. This 'missing link' has been discovered in fossil records. It was a bipedal hominid with apelike features, and in the course of evolution the species died out. We did not evolve in 6000 years- in fact the human lineage split off from the other hominoids an estimated 6 million years ago.

I dont put my faith in man- I put it in nature.

Well said.

And its worth noting that none of the theories on evolution have been dipsroved to this day.

Evolution is a lot more credible than a book filled with riddles, stories, conflicting and completely unprovable information.

Edited August 11, 2006 by roi_aggie

[incanada1234 0]

We did not evolve from apes- we are apes.

Well yes, I can honestly say there are people on this message board that fit the description. However, I'm not one of them. I'm a human, made in God's image thanks.

[rclouse 0]

I do admire your way of thinking, fishdude (this post and the other post you made on the 1st page). You ask good questions that make me think, and I've often questioned a lot of this stuff too. As far as evolution though, I just can't accept it. Not just because of what the Bible tells me but also the fact that there's such a huge gap. What kind of proof is there that we evolved from, what, apes? Where's the missing link? And I mean, the thought that we started as some little tadpole like creature...come on. I can see a 5 year old believing that, but grown men and women? How could we evolve in 6,000 years? I know I know, the earth is hundreds of millions of years old, etc etc. What is carbon dating and how exactly does it "prove" that? How can anyone prove that the earth has been around for millions of years? You can't! Scientists simply cannot recreate that. They're basically guessing - so do you want to put your faith in men or God?

There is plenty of evidence suporting evolution. There is no evidence supporting ID or creationism. That's the thing about science, the theories science has to explain things can be completely changed if evidence is presented supporting a different view. Creationism and ID are not science because adherents refuse to accept any evidence that contradicts the conclusion. It's not science, it's dogma.

How were Hiroshima and Nagasaki destroyed? They were destroyed by the same process that lets us date fossils and lava deposits: atomic fission. In the case of nuclear weaons, the fission occurs very, very fast. In the case of carbon, it occurs very very slow.

Just because you don't understand how a thing works doesn't mean the experts who do are wrong. Do you understand everything about how a plane works and is piloted? Of course not. But do you trust that it will work when you get on board? Or do you require that the pilot prove his expertise, the maintenance department show you the records, etc. before you'll dare get on one of those technological contraptions?

And anytime you want, you can learn exactly why science has led us to the theory of evolution. You can learn how carbon dating works, how genetics works, how genes change in populations over time. It's really not that hard to understand. And it doesn't have to conflict with a belief in God. I believe there is God, and I also know that science has done a great job of explaining our universe. And I believe in God precisely because of what science has learned about the universe.

[*Robert* 2]

We did not evolve from apes- we are apes.

Well yes, I can honestly say there are people on this message board that fit the description. However, I'm not one of them. I'm a human, made in God's image thanks.

Then I'd really hate to see what he looks like or acts like... or wait, maybe that's why there are all the "natural" disasters... patterned after you?!

Yeah, you're not an ape, you're an azz.

[incanada1234 0]

Just because you don't understand how a thing works doesn't mean the experts who do are wrong. Do you understand everything about how a plane works and is piloted? Of course not. But do you trust that it will work when you get on board? Or do you require that the pilot prove his expertise, the maintenance department show you the records, etc. before you'll dare get on one of those technological contraptions?

Yes, but the pilot can fly the plane, thus proving that he CAN FLY the plane. Can anyone recreate the big bang or evolution?

[danae 0]

We did not evolve from apes- we are apes.

Well yes, I can honestly say there are people on this message board that fit the description. However, I'm not one of them. I'm a human, made in God's image thanks.

Oh so you see the term 'ape' as having negative connotations?

Humans ARE apes. Im an ape, you're an ape. We share over 98% of our DNA with the chimpanzee. That has been PROVEN. Quit with the superiority complex.

Can anyone recreate the big bang or evolution?

Yes thay can and have Scientists recreate big bang conditions

[incanada1234 0]

We did not evolve from apes- we are apes.

Well yes, I can honestly say there are people on this message board that fit the description. However, I'm not one of them. I'm a human, made in God's image thanks.

Oh so you see the term 'ape' as having negative connotations?

Humans ARE apes. Im an ape, you're an ape. We share over 98% of our DNA with the chimpanzee. That has been PROVEN. Quit with the superiority complex.

Can anyone recreate the big bang or evolution?

Yes thay can and have Scientists recreate big bang conditions

"recreating the conditions thought to have existed 10 microseconds after the Big Bang "

Key word there being THOUGHT.

And I already said I agree - you're an ape.

Edited August 11, 2006 by incanada1234

[rclouse 0]

Yes, but the pilot can fly the plane, thus proving that he CAN FLY the plane. Can anyone recreate the big bang or evolution?

It's impossible for us to recreate the big bang. For that we would have to shrink the universe (matter, energy, AND space) down to an infinitesimally small point. Pretty sure only God could do that. But we can see the "echo" of the Big Bang. In fact, when the results from NASA's COBE satellite was ready to be unveiled, the scientists wondered if they were going to see the hand of God. And, I believe, they weren't far from the truth.

We already have recreated evolution; if you have a purebred dog then you have a product of manmade evolution licking your face.