U.S. Lags World in Grasp of Genetics and Acceptance of Evolution

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Of course I find it very difficult to believe that there are people who really think that the earth was created in 6 solar days and materialised fully formed and populated in a spontaneous puff of logic.

I also find a lot of things difficult to believe.

With all due respect, Stina, it wasn't until fairly recently (last 100 years) that some sects of Christianity began to take a very literal approach to every part of the Bible. The story of creation in the Book of Genesis was never meant as a historical, scientific account. And accepting that humans have evolved doesn't mean a Christian must reject the Bible. It means that as a Christian you accept that truth and fact are two different concepts, and the truth that God is the Creator doesn't have to be confined to believing the story of creation as a factual account of how God literally created the heavens and the earth.

[Dina 0]

Charles...you continue to impress me. Knowing who Torquemada already sets you at the head of the class, knowing his first name is Tomás though, wow.

[Mirorgate 0]

Contrary to popular belief the Spanish Inquisition was itself a bit of a myth.

"No one expects the inquisition"

[Fandango 1,439]

Of course I find it very difficult to believe that there are people who really think that the earth was created in 6 solar days and materialised fully formed and populated in a spontaneous puff of logic.

I also find a lot of things difficult to believe.

With all due respect, Stina, it wasn't until fairly recently (last 100 years) that some sects of Christianity began to take a very literal approach to every part of the Bible. The story of creation in the Book of Genesis was never meant as a historical, scientific account. And accepting that humans have evolved doesn't mean a Christian must reject the Bible. It means that as a Christian you accept that truth and fact are two different concepts, and the truth that God is the Creator doesn't have to be confined to believing the story of creation as a factual account of how God literally created the heavens and the earth.

With all due respect, Steven, that is your interpretation and it's not your job to challenge or change others beliefs or tell her what it means to be a Christian...

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Charles...you continue to impress me. Knowing who Torquemada already sets you at the head of the class, knowing his first name is Tomás though, wow.

wikipedia is a wonderful thing

[rclouse 0]

you shoulda used that one yesterday in the Governor of Bamiyan province in Afghanistan wants to put back together Buddha statues blown up by Taleban thread

Nah. Bevets is the guy for Evolution/Creationism/ID threads. Kind of like VP yesterday, or Yabasta in the WTC conspiracy thread. No matter what logic or argument you throw at them, they'll never accept it.

[chri'stina 190]

Of course I find it very difficult to believe that there are people who really think that the earth was created in 6 solar days and materialised fully formed and populated in a spontaneous puff of logic.

I also find a lot of things difficult to believe.

With all due respect, Stina, it wasn't until fairly recently (last 100 years) that some sects of Christianity began to take a very literal approach to every part of the Bible. The story of creation in the Book of Genesis was never meant as a historical, scientific account. And accepting that humans have evolved doesn't mean a Christian must reject the Bible. It means that as a Christian you accept that truth and fact are two different concepts, and the truth that God is the Creator doesn't have to be confined to believing the story of creation as a factual account of how God literally created the heavens and the earth.

Well that is opinion/belief just as mine is. And I doubt whether the disciples of Jesus in the N.T. didn't take the Old Testament literally. I am pretty sure that the first churches of Christianity (new testament is full of them) DID take what was written in the O.T. as literal. With it they based their belief that Jesus was the Messiah, as prophesied in the O.T.

It's just about being secular these days that people don't want to believe everything the bible says while being a Christian. I'm not saying if you believe in evolution you are not a Christian. I know there is a debate whether the 6 days really meant 6 days or thousands of years (in which evolution could have taken place but sparked by God). Either way, I still believe God was behind it and that is my belief. I know it's considered idiotic by some but should I really care?

[Mirorgate 0]

... I know it's considered idiotic by some but should I really care?

you tell him StevieP!!

[chri'stina 190]

... I know it's considered idiotic by some but should I really care?

you tell him StevieP!!

hehehe...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Of course I find it very difficult to believe that there are people who really think that the earth was created in 6 solar days and materialised fully formed and populated in a spontaneous puff of logic.

I also find a lot of things difficult to believe.

With all due respect, Stina, it wasn't until fairly recently (last 100 years) that some sects of Christianity began to take a very literal approach to every part of the Bible. The story of creation in the Book of Genesis was never meant as a historical, scientific account. And accepting that humans have evolved doesn't mean a Christian must reject the Bible. It means that as a Christian you accept that truth and fact are two different concepts, and the truth that God is the Creator doesn't have to be confined to believing the story of creation as a factual account of how God literally created the heavens and the earth.

Well that is opinion/belief just as mine is. And I doubt whether the disciples of Jesus in the N.T. didn't take the Old Testament literally. I am pretty sure that the first churches of Christianity (new testament is full of them) DID take what was written in the O.T. as literal. With it they based their belief that Jesus was the Messiah, as prophesied in the O.T.

It's just about being secular these days that people don't want to believe everything the bible says while being a Christian. I'm not saying if you believe in evolution you are not a Christian. I know there is a debate whether the 6 days really meant 6 days or thousands of years (in which evolution could have taken place but sparked by God). Either way, I still believe God was behind it and that is my belief. I know it's considered idiotic by some but should I really care?

That's what I don't understand - why evolution somehow precludes the existence of God.

The reasoning seems to be that certain aspects of the bible must be taken literally, whereas the broader spirit of say Jesus' teachings is primarily metaphorical - as way of living philosophically with God, guidelines to live your life by. The way in which the creation story (and also the judgment) is taken so literally by some, appears to me to be totally at odds with that philosophy. That's how it seems to me at least.

[chri'stina 190]

Of course I find it very difficult to believe that there are people who really think that the earth was created in 6 solar days and materialised fully formed and populated in a spontaneous puff of logic.

I also find a lot of things difficult to believe.

With all due respect, Stina, it wasn't until fairly recently (last 100 years) that some sects of Christianity began to take a very literal approach to every part of the Bible. The story of creation in the Book of Genesis was never meant as a historical, scientific account. And accepting that humans have evolved doesn't mean a Christian must reject the Bible. It means that as a Christian you accept that truth and fact are two different concepts, and the truth that God is the Creator doesn't have to be confined to believing the story of creation as a factual account of how God literally created the heavens and the earth.

Well that is opinion/belief just as mine is. And I doubt whether the disciples of Jesus in the N.T. didn't take the Old Testament literally. I am pretty sure that the first churches of Christianity (new testament is full of them) DID take what was written in the O.T. as literal. With it they based their belief that Jesus was the Messiah, as prophesied in the O.T.

It's just about being secular these days that people don't want to believe everything the bible says while being a Christian. I'm not saying if you believe in evolution you are not a Christian. I know there is a debate whether the 6 days really meant 6 days or thousands of years (in which evolution could have taken place but sparked by God). Either way, I still believe God was behind it and that is my belief. I know it's considered idiotic by some but should I really care?

That's what I don't understand - why evolution somehow precludes the existence of God.

The reasoning seems to be that certain aspects of the bible must be taken literally, whereas the broader spirit of say Jesus' teachings is primarily metaphorical - as way of living philosophically with God, guidelines to live your life by. The way in which the creation story (and also the judgment) is taken so literally by some, appears to me to be totally at odds with that philosophy. That's how it seems to me at least.

Jesus made it clear when he was telling a parable, he didn't say "this really happened". There is no such hint in the biblical account about creation that it's a parable or metaphor. It is written as really happening, and Jesus' parables were obviously parables that he explained the meaning of afterwards.

Edited August 11, 2006 by stina&suj

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Of course I find it very difficult to believe that there are people who really think that the earth was created in 6 solar days and materialised fully formed and populated in a spontaneous puff of logic.

I also find a lot of things difficult to believe.

With all due respect, Stina, it wasn't until fairly recently (last 100 years) that some sects of Christianity began to take a very literal approach to every part of the Bible. The story of creation in the Book of Genesis was never meant as a historical, scientific account. And accepting that humans have evolved doesn't mean a Christian must reject the Bible. It means that as a Christian you accept that truth and fact are two different concepts, and the truth that God is the Creator doesn't have to be confined to believing the story of creation as a factual account of how God literally created the heavens and the earth.

Well that is opinion/belief just as mine is. And I doubt whether the disciples of Jesus in the N.T. didn't take the Old Testament literally. I am pretty sure that the first churches of Christianity (new testament is full of them) DID take what was written in the O.T. as literal. With it they based their belief that Jesus was the Messiah, as prophesied in the O.T.

It's just about being secular these days that people don't want to believe everything the bible says while being a Christian. I'm not saying if you believe in evolution you are not a Christian. I know there is a debate whether the 6 days really meant 6 days or thousands of years (in which evolution could have taken place but sparked by God). Either way, I still believe God was behind it and that is my belief. I know it's considered idiotic by some but should I really care?

That's what I don't understand - why evolution somehow precludes the existence of God.

The reasoning seems to be that certain aspects of the bible must be taken literally, whereas the broader spirit of say Jesus' teachings is primarily metaphorical - as way of living philosophically with God, guidelines to live your life by. The way in which the creation story (and also the judgment) is taken so literally by some, appears to me to be totally at odds with that philosophy. That's how it seems to me at least.

Jesus made it clear when he was telling a parable, he didn't say "this really happened". There is no such hint in the biblical account about creation that it's a parable or metaphor. It is written as really happening, and Jesus' parables were obviously parables that he explained afterwards.

Perhaps because back then mankind didn't have a handle on advanced physics, quantum mechanics and sub-atomic particles

You can't explain those concepts to primitive people's living in the ancient world.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Of course I find it very difficult to believe that there are people who really think that the earth was created in 6 solar days and materialised fully formed and populated in a spontaneous puff of logic.

I also find a lot of things difficult to believe.

With all due respect, Stina, it wasn't until fairly recently (last 100 years) that some sects of Christianity began to take a very literal approach to every part of the Bible. The story of creation in the Book of Genesis was never meant as a historical, scientific account. And accepting that humans have evolved doesn't mean a Christian must reject the Bible. It means that as a Christian you accept that truth and fact are two different concepts, and the truth that God is the Creator doesn't have to be confined to believing the story of creation as a factual account of how God literally created the heavens and the earth.

Well that is opinion/belief just as mine is. And I doubt whether the disciples of Jesus in the N.T. didn't take the Old Testament literally. I am pretty sure that the first churches of Christianity (new testament is full of them) DID take what was written in the O.T. as literal. With it they based their belief that Jesus was the Messiah, as prophesied in the O.T.

It's just about being secular these days that people don't want to believe everything the bible says while being a Christian. I'm not saying if you believe in evolution you are not a Christian. I know there is a debate whether the 6 days really meant 6 days or thousands of years (in which evolution could have taken place but sparked by God). Either way, I still believe God was behind it and that is my belief. I know it's considered idiotic by some but should I really care?

That's what I don't understand - why evolution somehow precludes the existence of God.

The reasoning seems to be that certain aspects of the bible must be taken literally, whereas the broader spirit of say Jesus' teachings is primarily metaphorical - as way of living philosophically with God, guidelines to live your life by. The way in which the creation story (and also the judgment) is taken so literally by some, appears to me to be totally at odds with that philosophy. That's how it seems to me at least.

Jesus made it clear when he was telling a parable, he didn't say "this really happened". There is no such hint in the biblical account about creation that it's a parable or metaphor. It is written as really happening, and Jesus' parables were obviously parables that he explained the meaning of afterwards.

heretic! everyone gather wood!

[chri'stina 190]

Of course I find it very difficult to believe that there are people who really think that the earth was created in 6 solar days and materialised fully formed and populated in a spontaneous puff of logic.

I also find a lot of things difficult to believe.

With all due respect, Stina, it wasn't until fairly recently (last 100 years) that some sects of Christianity began to take a very literal approach to every part of the Bible. The story of creation in the Book of Genesis was never meant as a historical, scientific account. And accepting that humans have evolved doesn't mean a Christian must reject the Bible. It means that as a Christian you accept that truth and fact are two different concepts, and the truth that God is the Creator doesn't have to be confined to believing the story of creation as a factual account of how God literally created the heavens and the earth.

Well that is opinion/belief just as mine is. And I doubt whether the disciples of Jesus in the N.T. didn't take the Old Testament literally. I am pretty sure that the first churches of Christianity (new testament is full of them) DID take what was written in the O.T. as literal. With it they based their belief that Jesus was the Messiah, as prophesied in the O.T.

It's just about being secular these days that people don't want to believe everything the bible says while being a Christian. I'm not saying if you believe in evolution you are not a Christian. I know there is a debate whether the 6 days really meant 6 days or thousands of years (in which evolution could have taken place but sparked by God). Either way, I still believe God was behind it and that is my belief. I know it's considered idiotic by some but should I really care?

That's what I don't understand - why evolution somehow precludes the existence of God.

The reasoning seems to be that certain aspects of the bible must be taken literally, whereas the broader spirit of say Jesus' teachings is primarily metaphorical - as way of living philosophically with God, guidelines to live your life by. The way in which the creation story (and also the judgment) is taken so literally by some, appears to me to be totally at odds with that philosophy. That's how it seems to me at least.

Jesus made it clear when he was telling a parable, he didn't say "this really happened". There is no such hint in the biblical account about creation that it's a parable or metaphor. It is written as really happening, and Jesus' parables were obviously parables that he explained afterwards.

Perhaps because back then mankind didn't have a handle on advanced physics, quantum mechanics and sub-atomic particles

You can't explain those concepts to primitive people's living in the ancient world.

So then the bible should have just said simply "God made the world" instead of making it a detailed 6 day creation. What would be the point unless you believe a man made up the bible, so a man decided to make the creation story sound cool since he didn't know any better. Sorry I just don't buy it. I am sure many people do believe that the bible story is made up by men and that is why they understandably don't believe in the bible. IMO either the whole bible is wrong, or it's all right. I am not going to say the account of creation was only a metaphor. Metaphors usually mean something...the parables Jesus taught had a meaning. What spiritual hidden meaning is there to "and God said let there be light"?

So, as usual we'll have to agree to disagree.

Edited August 11, 2006 by stina&suj

[Mirorgate 0]

Perhaps because back then mankind didn't have a handle on advanced physics, quantum mechanics and sub-atomic particles

You can't explain those concepts to primitive people's living in the ancient world.

no because they have no basis to apply such concepts... but then.. we're just now learning about them too. to bad we lost so much knowledge during the dark ages.. i believe we'd be about 100yrs more technologically advanced now than we are.

.. What spiritual hidden meaning is there to "and God said let there be light"?

Its obvious he was meaning Thomas Edison.